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AIBU or was this abuse?

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SatanOnAScooter · 22/09/2010 23:02

Sorry, this will probably be long.

I cut all ties with my mother about 8 years ago. Someone recently asked why I hadn't made up with her, after all she is my mum - it was a good friend asking and she meant nothing by it, she's never met my mum and doesn't know the real reason behind why we don't have contact - but it got me wondering (again) if I am a horrible, selfish cow or if i am kind of justified in my decision.

The only feelings i really have for her (my mother) are hate and pity, sometimes guilt. sometimes i think those feelings alone should be enough for me to know something was wrong in our relationship, but I swing between wondering if my mother was abusive towards me, or if she was just a crap parent, if i expected too much, was too sensitive etc etc.

I could list literally thousands of examples but I'll just list a few that still sting. I would be really grateful to hear what other people think to give me a kind of objective view on it. I've always felt too ashamed to tell anyone what it was really like. Even my DH doesn't know.

My Dad would sometimes work away from home. She would close all the curtains, lock the doors, keep me off school, lock herself in my bedroom (as it had a tv) all day, in the evening she would move to the lounge and lock me in my room. If i showed any signs of being upset, she would punch and punch me like a lunatic until she literally had no energy left. I was about 8. I would only be for a few days at a time, it was weeks or anything but it fekt like a lifetime at the time. I would just eat biscuits or bread or cereal. Dad would come home and It would be like nothing had happened.

Night before my first GCSE exam, she suddenly, completely out of the blue, grabbed me by the throat and told me I had to leave. she started to throw all my belongings out of my bedroom onto the street (cue a crowd of local kids laughing, shouting etc). I eventually climbed back in through the bathroom window and revised all night in silence, had no dinner, or breakfast, climbed back out through the bathroom window and sat the exam. Somehow I passed (in fact got an A) but fell asleep on the bus on the way home and ended up in the depot. Got home, was like nothing had happened, even had a 'good luck in your exams' card on my bed. She later put an announcement in the local paper congratulating me and saying something like 'I have always been there to support you'. I tore the paper into tiny, tiny shreds and put it in the bin in the local park.

Broke up with my first ever boyfriend. Completely broken hearted, she aksed me 'what's THAT face for?'. I told her and she said, 'he probably thought he could do better than you.' and walked away. Sad

Back with boyfriend, I'm 16, he's at uni in the time before mobiles and email ( and no house phone in his flat). He would call me at a set time on a set day every week from a pay phone. One day the call never came. I fretted and fretted worrying that he'd dumped me or that something bad had happened to him. Eventually on my way to bed I picked up the phone receiver and there was no dialling tone, the phone had been unplugged. There was only me and her at home, and it was so hard to get it back in there was no way it could have fallen out. She had been completely 'normal', sympathetic even, most of the day, and she turned all 'well he's probably found someone else, i bet he's out with her'. I went to bed and cried under my duvet, feeling sad, angry and quite scared, she stormed in, pulled me out of bed by my hair and warned me I'd better shut up.

I was having a hard time at school, being bullied, i had no friends, cos I had no confidence, had shite clothes and just wasn't cool. Parents evening, mother very loudly asks PE teacher how I would go about a career in sport - teacher looks awkward, and confused, knowing a)I'm shite, and b)am not interested in sports. Said in full view of the kids who bullied me, mother starts roaring with laughter. They ripped the piss for weeks and weeks.

She was arguing with my dad once, and she started to punch and kick him, I tried to stop them and ran into the street screaming (aged 7ish) - neighbours came to help, calm the situation down and they kept saying she shouldn't be like that in front of me (she was threatening to slit his throat while he slept) and she just kept saying 'she has to learn, it's a lesson in life, she has to learn, it;s all part of growing up'

She would randomly leave what I can only describe as cryptic suicide notes for me to find. Of course she never did anything, but i lived in fear of it. still do.

House was a disgusting mess, stunk to high heaven, often had maggots in kitchen. I would frantically clean whenever i thought someone might come round (very rare as she had fallen out with everyone and I had no mates but i lived in fear of someone normal seeing how we lived). She rarely washed and quite frankly stunk. I would wash in secret using an old biscuit tin filled with water to wash in my bedroom and would handwash my school uniform and dry it on my radiator. Despite this should would often say in front of people that I stunk, had bad breath, should bath more etc etc.

Dad was killed in an accident at work when I was 11. We were pretty close, but all i felt was numb and scared at being left alone with her. For a while i slept with a chair wedged under my door handle to lock my door from inside because I seriously thought she might try to kill me while I slept.

I basically worked really hard at school, had loads of part time jobs to get me out of the house and I buggered off to uni as soon as I could and never went back, apart from the odd weekend to basically kept up the pretence that everything was ok. I saved and saved the money from my part time jobs (I had 5 during my a levels) and she would often 'borrow' from me and later deny it. I never got any lent money back.

I used to sob in my room watching home and away because I desperately wanted Pippa to foster me Shock

Basically i cut all ties with her years ago when she got the wrong end of the stick about my plans for mothers day and said something a long the lines of 'well it's a good job you hadn't forgotten because I would have been LIVID with you if you had'. We ended the conversation and I thought, well you can fuck off, i changed my number and shortly moved and she now has no idea where in the world i am. She initially sent me a few really nasty letters, but no attempt at reconciliation (not that I thought she would) but I still always kind of stupidly hope it might all go normal, like she might find me,hug me and apologise and we could be a normal family.

She has no idea about my dh or my dc - my kids are the main reason I haven't ever caved in under the guilt. I would NEVER, never, never let her anywhere near them.

She is skint, in poor health and has fallen out with everyone, family, friends, neighbours so is (or was last time I heard) a sad, lonely, bitter old woman. She doesn't have a nice word to say about anyone. when my dad died, people rallied round but she would bitch about each person to the another, make stuff up, and people basically worked out if she was so nasty about so and so who was actually a nice person, she was probably saying the same thing about them. and she was. I never blamed anyone for turning their back on us, i just missed their contact.

She very obviously has some mental health problems. I did tentatively try to help when I was a child - i told an on off friend of hers in secret about the notes and i told her GP she always seemed sad but no one ever wanted to help and i was a scared kid. I didn't know what else to do. Once a teacher took me aside and asked if everything was ok at home and i just said yes. I worried that i might get taken into care and that she would then kill herself.

Seems odd seeing it all written down. when i think about my own kids and the life i want for then, it seems clear to me that my childhood was wrong, awful, sad. But as it's all i know for me, it feels normal and I don't know if i deserved it, or caused it, or expected too much, which in itself sounds totally crazy.

And as she so clearly wasn't 'well' during all of this, should I still feel duty bound to look after her now?? Even though she made my life a living hell? I beat myself up about this a lot, but I actually don't feel i owe her anything (which is what I feel bad about, you hear so many stories, way worse that anything i had to put up with, and the people are then caring their dying evil fucker of a parent, and I wonder if that's what I should be doing). It's kind of only hypothetical anyway because there is no way she would have anything to do with me if i got in touch now.

OP posts:
Horton · 23/09/2010 21:43

I just wanted to say what everyone else said. NONE of that was your fault and what you ought to do is steer well clear of that nasty old woman for the rest of your life. I think maybe one day, when you feel ready, that counselling might help you feel less that you ought to be doing something for someone who never did what she ought to have done for you (like look after you and love you and care for you). So sorry for your poor little girl self - you have done so well to build a good happy life away from any kind of abuse and make a good place for your family.

It doesn't matter that she was and is probably ill in some way. You have to do what will keep you safe and I think opening contact with her will only upset you, tbh.

chefswife · 23/09/2010 21:59

Did we have the same mother! I'm not kidding. I've not spoken to my mother since 2004, mother's day, ironically enough. It was 30 years of physical and mental abuse. I'll give you one example so you can know someone else out there in the same situation (because, honestly, it was sort of nice to see someone have similar experience and similar outcome.) My father worked shift work. Those two weeks he was on nights were horrific for me. This one repeated incident happened from when I was little, grade 3-4, till I moved out when I was 18. She would come in my room at night and pin me down when I was sleeping, (sit on me, pinning my arms down with her weight and legs) and utter/whisper through seething teeth and spit that she will always control me. When I was 13 and she tried it, I threw her off me with a big thrust of my whole body. I don't remember what she beat me with, but the next time, and every time after that, I would wake up with her pinning me down and a butcher's knife at my throat.

This past Easter, there was a crazy incident at my sisters and after my mother couldn't get what she wanted out of them, she sent me an awful letter making the same comments/accusations, what-have-you, stating that it was basically my fault. The same old bull shit and she claims, through my sisters, that she has changed and dealt with her 'bad mother' label, as she puts it. But this harassing letter clearly indicated to me that she hadn't because it was the same stuff... it was like we never left off from that conversation 6 years ago. My sister forwarded me the letter because I've spammed her email, and after reading it, I realized it had no effect on me. It was a defining moment for me to realize that no, I'm very right in my decision to not speak to this woman. There comes a time when, as an adult, one needs to inter-reflect and get yourself sorted. I used to feel pity, rage, sadness but now its compassion.

Don't feel bad about not wanting to let your DC around her. I don't either.

musicposy · 23/09/2010 22:03

Don't feel embarrassed about anything to do with your childhood - it wasn't your fault. Kids taunt because they don't understand and they know no better. Most of those kids, now adults, would be utterly horrified and ashamed if they knew what you'd gone through.

A friend of mine, in our group, used to behave differently at times - would come round our houses and stay for hours and hours and not want to leave. She'd also fling herself at every male in sight. We used to tease her about these and all sorts of other things because her behaviour was a bit different. As an adult, it came out she was abused by her father. I can't tell you the guilt we all felt - and still feel- at teasing her and at doing nothing to help. But then, we were just kids ourselves and that sort of thing was outside our understanding. It didn't make it right, but we knew no better.

So please don't be ashamed of what happened at school, or your clothes or hair, or the names you were called. None of it was your fault and your classmates wouldn't have understood why you were in that state. If you can, tell DH, You have nothing to be embarrassed about. That was history and it is gone, today is different. Good on you for being so strong. :)

iwasyoungonce · 23/09/2010 22:14

Oh my god, I haven't read the whole thread, just the OP, and the response from chefswife above.

It makes me so sad and angry to hear about this terrible abuse. It makes me want to go back in time, find you, take you out of that awful situation and look after you.

Thank god you both survived, and I think it is amazing that you went on to make something of yourselves, becoming fantastic mothers yourselves. Of course you are right to sever all contact with your terrible mothers. They do not deserve you. They never did.

And you did not deserve them, you poor souls.

marriednotdead · 23/09/2010 22:15

I've just read the whole thread. So many childhoods messed up by the people we should be able to trust most Sad Angry
Satan, I hope the replies you have (and will continue to receive) help to affirm that your childhood was not normal/ok and that even if your mother was mentally unwell, that doesn't excuse what she put you through.

I went through 8 years of counselling to sort out the first 25 years of my shit life. I've not seen my sperm donor for almost 30 years and no longer feel that I ought to.

Shame featured regularly in my counselling; I too have been the 'smelly kid' through no fault of my own Sad
At times I felt angry that I needed to waste my time discussing someone who had already caused me so much damage- I resented his intrusion into the better life I had created and the precious weekly hour of 'me' time.
Now I realise that by telling someone impartial, I was able to 'tidy it up' in my own head.

You may decide to give counselling a go or just try to bury it. For now and as long as you want, you may find offloading on MN can be very therapeutic Wink

Good luck hun, you are so much stronger than you realise.

Olifin · 23/09/2010 23:08

Satan I hope you can let your OH into this a little bit. If he loves you (which I'm sure he does) then he will want to support you. I daresay he'll be horrified and deeply saddened but you have NOTHING to be ashamed of.

musicposy We had a very similar friend in our group who revealed to us in adulthood that she'd been sexually abused by her Dad. :( Bloody awful and I wish we'd known at the time. As you say, it was outside the realms of our understanding. Makes me feel awful.

Rindy · 23/09/2010 23:27

I totally understand how you are feeling, I had a similar upbringing, but am still in contact with my mother... I am currently seeking professional help as my depression got much worse after I had my first child, I kept thinking i would prob be a crap mother too, i am afraid to give out to my child at all when she is naughty for fear that i am turning into my mother and more importantly for fear that my little one will ever feel as sad and terrified as i did as a child.... I went away for a long time and lived abroad and had not much contact, I moved home again as i missed other family members and since having contact with my mother again i have gone down hill, she was abusive both mentally and physically when i was a child and this carried on until i was in my early twenties(before I moved away), the snide comments still continue to this day and this always gets me down.. I do believe i would be better off without her in my life but i just dont have the guts to do this, she has few friends(fallen out with most of them thoughout the years), does not talk to any of the neighbours in her street and fights with everyone she comes in contact with, she is so cold and angry and so jealous of everyone, even her own children. I always wished my friends mums's were my mum when growing up and i always craved that mother-daughter bond.. I really think my mum is bi-polar but she would never go to the doctor or admit anything was wrong... Sorry for rambling on, your msg struck a cord with me, it's good to read that i'm not the only person who feels like this, so many things you mentioned happened to me too and I totally understand that guilty feeling you have, my mum can sometimes act so normal and at these times i question if i am over reacting and maybe my past was the norm.. I really do feel sorry for her cos i do believe she is ill..

Ipom · 24/09/2010 08:14

If you want to show your DH this thread that it entirely up to you but you have no reason to feel embarrassed by it. Although I can see why you would feel that way - it's not nice to open up about something that was a hugly distressing part of your life.

Although those parts of your childhood were awful you havent wallowed in it and have used it to drive yourself to better thing - even as a girl you saw that...that must have taken an incredible amount of strength and determination to get through that at such a young age which is quite frankly mind boggling.

You have taken this abuse and turned it around, used it and gained from it...that is such a hard thing to do.

You went through all that with your mum and your dad dying, you pulled yourself together, worked hard for your exams, put yourself through university - jesus christ woman, you are a wonder, and THEN you have used it to help you with your DC's...know what they need and how NOT to care for them.

Never feel guilty, never feel as though you have to do the right thing. You are doing it already.

A lot of lessons can be learnt from someone like you - you should be very proud of yourself.

spiritmum · 24/09/2010 09:32

Look, I am not going to try to pretend that I know even an nth of what some of you have gone through. But some of the posters here have remarked on how they feel so sorry for the little girls who were hurt so badly and how much they'd like to be able to go back and make them safe, and that struck a bit of a chord with me.

I was lucky enough to have parents who loved me and a reasonably happy childhood. But I also didn't fit in at school and was made to feel like a misfit. Also I often spoke without thinking and my mum used to tell me - with a good if misguided motive I think - that I'd never have any friends because I was so horrible.

So I grew up hating the child that I was, and as soon as I got married at 20 I changed my name so that I could change identity. I used to struggle with friendships because I couldn't believe that anyone would want to be friend with me.

Fast forward to earlier this year and I found myself struggling with dd1, who is very much like me. One night when I was meditating I suddenly realised that my problem with dd1 were stemming from the fact that I was still hating myself as a child. So I went back and pictured myself as a little girl of about 8; what I was doing, the things I said, what made me 'odd' or 'horrible'. And I realised I was just a little innocent child. Some of what I did was quite cute, sometime smaybe I needed things explaining to me, but essentally I was very sweet and lovable. So that's what I did, I allowed myself to give that little girl the unconditional love that I needed. I actually pictured myself talking to me as a little girl, sharing and loving her, making her feel secure and likeable. And whenever I feel unsure of myself I go back and do it again, because so much of what I struggle with has its roots in my childhood.

And I had a relatively happy one, with parents who loved me and still do. So I'm sharing this in the hope that it might help, and send it with love.

NordicPrincess · 24/09/2010 11:31

i didnt mean for it to come accross as horrible. I know a fair few women who have used internet forums to "purge" their demons, but it never seemed to work for more than a short time because no one "real" was hearing it. At the end of the day this is just writing on a page not a real person hearing how you felt, not just the details of what happened. Thats why you need to "tell" somebody, face to face off load it properly. counselling or your dp...

The attention seeking i meant was that the op obviously knows this was abuse and she needs to speak to someone, not a faceless online community.

I wonder if you tell your children to go and play on the M6 too, who even thinks that??

OP go and speak to someone, either your dp or someone who knows you, I bet this feeling of needing to offload is to do with guilt and admiting to something that was never your fault. you need to be told that it was wrong and you are/were right to feel hurt and that you were wronged. But this conversation needs to be had with a real person not an internet forum

Fluffymonster · 24/09/2010 11:47

Nordic - OP has been told that it was wrong - which is what she needed to hear. Perhaps that is enough for the time being - she's managed to get this far without counselling, and it's not the be all and end all, anyway. If she feels she is OK with just talking on the internet, that's fine. I don't actually agree, that it always needs to be talked through with a 'real' person - people here are real enough, and actually sometimes there is more objectivity and honesty here than with 'real people' - not as many social barriers.

didoreth · 24/09/2010 11:52

Sorry haven't read the whole thread. But OP you are definitely not being unreasonable - you were abused. Dreadfully. I'm so sorry you had such an awful childhood.
Like others have said, I think that you're doubting whether it was abuse is a consequence of the way you were treated. I hope the response you're getting on this thread will help reduce the doubt, and also the guilt, shame and embarrassment you feel. You shouldn't feel any of those things; you were a child, and none of it was your fault.
I half agree with NordicPrincess, in that I think you probably do eventually need to discuss these things in real life, whether with a counsellor or with your DH, but I think opening up to strangers on the internet can be a step towards that.

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