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AIBU or was this abuse?

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SatanOnAScooter · 22/09/2010 23:02

Sorry, this will probably be long.

I cut all ties with my mother about 8 years ago. Someone recently asked why I hadn't made up with her, after all she is my mum - it was a good friend asking and she meant nothing by it, she's never met my mum and doesn't know the real reason behind why we don't have contact - but it got me wondering (again) if I am a horrible, selfish cow or if i am kind of justified in my decision.

The only feelings i really have for her (my mother) are hate and pity, sometimes guilt. sometimes i think those feelings alone should be enough for me to know something was wrong in our relationship, but I swing between wondering if my mother was abusive towards me, or if she was just a crap parent, if i expected too much, was too sensitive etc etc.

I could list literally thousands of examples but I'll just list a few that still sting. I would be really grateful to hear what other people think to give me a kind of objective view on it. I've always felt too ashamed to tell anyone what it was really like. Even my DH doesn't know.

My Dad would sometimes work away from home. She would close all the curtains, lock the doors, keep me off school, lock herself in my bedroom (as it had a tv) all day, in the evening she would move to the lounge and lock me in my room. If i showed any signs of being upset, she would punch and punch me like a lunatic until she literally had no energy left. I was about 8. I would only be for a few days at a time, it was weeks or anything but it fekt like a lifetime at the time. I would just eat biscuits or bread or cereal. Dad would come home and It would be like nothing had happened.

Night before my first GCSE exam, she suddenly, completely out of the blue, grabbed me by the throat and told me I had to leave. she started to throw all my belongings out of my bedroom onto the street (cue a crowd of local kids laughing, shouting etc). I eventually climbed back in through the bathroom window and revised all night in silence, had no dinner, or breakfast, climbed back out through the bathroom window and sat the exam. Somehow I passed (in fact got an A) but fell asleep on the bus on the way home and ended up in the depot. Got home, was like nothing had happened, even had a 'good luck in your exams' card on my bed. She later put an announcement in the local paper congratulating me and saying something like 'I have always been there to support you'. I tore the paper into tiny, tiny shreds and put it in the bin in the local park.

Broke up with my first ever boyfriend. Completely broken hearted, she aksed me 'what's THAT face for?'. I told her and she said, 'he probably thought he could do better than you.' and walked away. Sad

Back with boyfriend, I'm 16, he's at uni in the time before mobiles and email ( and no house phone in his flat). He would call me at a set time on a set day every week from a pay phone. One day the call never came. I fretted and fretted worrying that he'd dumped me or that something bad had happened to him. Eventually on my way to bed I picked up the phone receiver and there was no dialling tone, the phone had been unplugged. There was only me and her at home, and it was so hard to get it back in there was no way it could have fallen out. She had been completely 'normal', sympathetic even, most of the day, and she turned all 'well he's probably found someone else, i bet he's out with her'. I went to bed and cried under my duvet, feeling sad, angry and quite scared, she stormed in, pulled me out of bed by my hair and warned me I'd better shut up.

I was having a hard time at school, being bullied, i had no friends, cos I had no confidence, had shite clothes and just wasn't cool. Parents evening, mother very loudly asks PE teacher how I would go about a career in sport - teacher looks awkward, and confused, knowing a)I'm shite, and b)am not interested in sports. Said in full view of the kids who bullied me, mother starts roaring with laughter. They ripped the piss for weeks and weeks.

She was arguing with my dad once, and she started to punch and kick him, I tried to stop them and ran into the street screaming (aged 7ish) - neighbours came to help, calm the situation down and they kept saying she shouldn't be like that in front of me (she was threatening to slit his throat while he slept) and she just kept saying 'she has to learn, it's a lesson in life, she has to learn, it;s all part of growing up'

She would randomly leave what I can only describe as cryptic suicide notes for me to find. Of course she never did anything, but i lived in fear of it. still do.

House was a disgusting mess, stunk to high heaven, often had maggots in kitchen. I would frantically clean whenever i thought someone might come round (very rare as she had fallen out with everyone and I had no mates but i lived in fear of someone normal seeing how we lived). She rarely washed and quite frankly stunk. I would wash in secret using an old biscuit tin filled with water to wash in my bedroom and would handwash my school uniform and dry it on my radiator. Despite this should would often say in front of people that I stunk, had bad breath, should bath more etc etc.

Dad was killed in an accident at work when I was 11. We were pretty close, but all i felt was numb and scared at being left alone with her. For a while i slept with a chair wedged under my door handle to lock my door from inside because I seriously thought she might try to kill me while I slept.

I basically worked really hard at school, had loads of part time jobs to get me out of the house and I buggered off to uni as soon as I could and never went back, apart from the odd weekend to basically kept up the pretence that everything was ok. I saved and saved the money from my part time jobs (I had 5 during my a levels) and she would often 'borrow' from me and later deny it. I never got any lent money back.

I used to sob in my room watching home and away because I desperately wanted Pippa to foster me Shock

Basically i cut all ties with her years ago when she got the wrong end of the stick about my plans for mothers day and said something a long the lines of 'well it's a good job you hadn't forgotten because I would have been LIVID with you if you had'. We ended the conversation and I thought, well you can fuck off, i changed my number and shortly moved and she now has no idea where in the world i am. She initially sent me a few really nasty letters, but no attempt at reconciliation (not that I thought she would) but I still always kind of stupidly hope it might all go normal, like she might find me,hug me and apologise and we could be a normal family.

She has no idea about my dh or my dc - my kids are the main reason I haven't ever caved in under the guilt. I would NEVER, never, never let her anywhere near them.

She is skint, in poor health and has fallen out with everyone, family, friends, neighbours so is (or was last time I heard) a sad, lonely, bitter old woman. She doesn't have a nice word to say about anyone. when my dad died, people rallied round but she would bitch about each person to the another, make stuff up, and people basically worked out if she was so nasty about so and so who was actually a nice person, she was probably saying the same thing about them. and she was. I never blamed anyone for turning their back on us, i just missed their contact.

She very obviously has some mental health problems. I did tentatively try to help when I was a child - i told an on off friend of hers in secret about the notes and i told her GP she always seemed sad but no one ever wanted to help and i was a scared kid. I didn't know what else to do. Once a teacher took me aside and asked if everything was ok at home and i just said yes. I worried that i might get taken into care and that she would then kill herself.

Seems odd seeing it all written down. when i think about my own kids and the life i want for then, it seems clear to me that my childhood was wrong, awful, sad. But as it's all i know for me, it feels normal and I don't know if i deserved it, or caused it, or expected too much, which in itself sounds totally crazy.

And as she so clearly wasn't 'well' during all of this, should I still feel duty bound to look after her now?? Even though she made my life a living hell? I beat myself up about this a lot, but I actually don't feel i owe her anything (which is what I feel bad about, you hear so many stories, way worse that anything i had to put up with, and the people are then caring their dying evil fucker of a parent, and I wonder if that's what I should be doing). It's kind of only hypothetical anyway because there is no way she would have anything to do with me if i got in touch now.

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RunawayWife · 23/09/2010 08:21

Poor you, your mother is clearly a nutcase.

Please keep strong and keep this vile excuse for a mother out of your life, she deserves to live and die alone

zachsmama · 23/09/2010 08:30

I couldn't read this and not post.

What you suffered was most definitely abuse. I feel so sad for the childhood that you had. You have done nothing wrong - you are clearly a strong and loving woman who now has a wonderful family.

I would have nothing to do with her. You were absolutely right to cut her out of your life.

annec555 · 23/09/2010 09:05

Don't go near her! I effctively cut my father out of my life some years ago, not due to abuse, just due to him being a bit of a rubbish, non-family orientated absent parent. We have built some very tentative bridges since he has become a grandfather but we will never have a father-daughter relationship again. What your mother did was a million times worse.

I also have a colleague whose mother was not abusive, but she was extremely money driven and tended to see two of her children as duty-bound to help her in her business and put their own lives on hold to do so. The pampered older daughter did nothing and had no expectations placed upon her. The son eventually left home and cut all ties due to the pressure placed upon him. My colleague was the youngest and she was the one who worked, and worked and worked and what she did was never enough. Her mother stopped paying her law school fees just before her exams in order to make her drop out and come home to work for her - it didn't happen and she went on to be an extremely successful lawyer with her own firm. Her mother then claimed she had made her into a lawyer. My colleague still did everything for her and has been supporting her financially for years despite her mother having large amounts of cash from the sale of her businesses. A few years ago her mother stopped talking to her (but still took her money) because my colleague couldn't drop everything and run whenever her mother called. For complicated reasons her mother is now living with her, much against all parties' wishes, while she buys a new house. My colleague thought this might be a time of reconciliation. She was wrong. Her mother does nothing but verbally abuse her and claim that she was a terrible daughter. She expects meals cooked for her at all hours of the day and night and if she doesn't get what she wants immediately she makes all sorts of terrble accusations. She has never uttered a word of thanks to my colleague for giving her a home. I don't suppose she ever will.
Again, this is someone who was not abusive as your mother was. If people like this woman and my father are unable to acknowledge the grief they have caused, or even to simply try to be normal parents, do you think your mother will be any different?
Please don't put yourself in a situation when she can taint your life again.

Jaybird37 · 23/09/2010 09:08

This was clearly abuse.

I would second the advice that you should stay away and never, ever think that if you go back you will be able to forge a relationship with her.

It sounds as though the only thing left to your mother is the power to withhold her love and approval. It might briefly give her a feeling of control and self-esteem to do that, but it would not be based on anything more real than her own emotional needs and would be nothing to do with you.

You do not need her approval, you do not need the anger or conflict, you do not need to get entangled in a nasty, painful, punitive (possibly on both sides) relationship that will sap the time and energy you have for your DH and DCs.

I am not convinced that you need to have therapy; you sound remarkably balanced and settled. However, I do think it would be useful to share some of this with your DH.

cupcakesandbunting · 23/09/2010 09:15

The only thing to tie you to this woman is DNA and that thing about blood being thicker than water is bullshit, frankly. Being blood-related to someone doesn't always make people nice to each other unfortunately :(

You have your own family now. Channel your energy into them. She doesn't deserve another second of your thoughts/time. You seem to have come out on the other side of this a well-balanced and nice woman. Why take ten steps back? I think you know you're doing the right thing by cutting her out of your life. She sounds horribly toxic.

Hope you're OK :)

hystericalmum · 23/09/2010 09:16

It is abuse & neglect.

(((hugs))) xxx

banana87 · 23/09/2010 09:18

Definately abuse. Stay away. She is mentally ill, has been for years and you do not deserve it. She does not deserve you.

GetOrfMoiLand · 23/09/2010 09:25

I couldn't read this Satan and not post. You poor thing. Yes of coiurse it was abuse. And no bloody hell it was NOT your fault.

I was raised by my gran, she wss physically, mentally and sexually abusive. Iw as truly terrified at home a lot of the time - she would be all nice and normal, and then it would be like a switch was flicked in her brain and she would go completely mental. I have a horrible mental image of her when ashe was battering me with a bamboo stick - her hair was falling down and she had her tongue stuck between her teeth with the effort of hitting. I used to do something very mild to provoke these attacks - like drop a spoon in the kitchen, or no hoover up to the edges of the carpet. Or lose a pen - if I lost sopmething she wiould send me hunting round the house in a frenzy, if I couldn't find it she would go mad. To this day if I lose my car keys or something, I go hunting round the house in a state of panic.

She stopped hitting me when I grew as tall as her - so about 12. But then the psychological stuff started. Like you she used to kick me out, gather all my stuff and sling it in the hallway screaming 'get out get out'. Then if I made the move to actually get the hell out of there, she would pull me back and ask me where the hell I thought I was going.

God knows why I didn't tell social services looking back, but I was completely paralysed at the thought of anyone finding out how horrible my home life was, it was embarassing. I would have no more thought of ringing childline that i would have though of ringing the Queen - the abuse was a secret to be kept at all costs.

I was raised by my gran as my mum had me young, and then left home and left me there. I grew up thinking my mum was my sister and my gran was my mum.

When I was 16 I left home and school, I got a job as a waitress in a hotel in town. I packed my stuff, took my passport, and moved my stuff into the hotel (live in accomodation). I went to the police to tell them that I was leaving, I was legally allowed to, but my gran might come and report me for running away. I remember the feeling of exhileration when I left. I never spoke to my gran again. She died last spring, I went into the house where all thsi went on with my uncle, my gran died alone and her house was an unspeakable mess and spoke of the fact that she was all alone in teh world. She had 5 children, and raised me as well, and when she died none were speaking to her. I still have nightmares about her now.

I should feel guilty for leaving and never going back - but I don't. I don't feel bad that she died alone, other than just a mild feeling of remote sadness, the same as i would feel if a stranger was repoetred as having died alone in the newspaper. My mother and uncles and aunts all feel horrific guilt, though, I think perhaps it is because they were her children, and I wasn't, so had a natural distance.

Satan, please do not feel guilty. You have managed to escape that horrific childhood. You are string enough to have moved on and not replicate the madness you endured.

Re therapy - I can't talk to anyone about it in RL. Mumsnet has heloed enormously, as sometimes I offload on here. DP knows I had a bad time as a kid, but not teh details. I have mentally put my life up until the age of 16 in a box and put it away, and look as my childhood self as being someone else, someone who I feel desprately sorry for, but someone who is not me (does that make sense?). I don't think therapy would work for me, I went once, sat there in silence in a furious temper (god knows why) and never went again.

Satan i wouldn't recommend that you try and start cotact again - it may bring back all sorts of feeings of fear and shame that you have not had to deal with for so long.

But PLEASE don't blame yourself, and think you could have done something to help. Yes it does sound that your mum was mentally ill, but there is NOTHING you could have done to help her. Don't be ashamed or guilty.

popcracker · 23/09/2010 09:26

To get yourself out of an abusive relationships and to undertake the sheer hard work that you have done is amazing. No mean feat.

Stay away.

Ineedmorechocolatenow · 23/09/2010 09:27

You sound so lovely and well-balanced! I can't imagine having had such an abusive childhood. I agree with all the others who have said that you are well shot of her and that you shouldn't give her a second thought.

I hope this thread gives you a release and helps you come to terms with your childhood.

Blatherskite · 23/09/2010 09:31

Sorry, haven't read all the replies but wanted to make sure you know that it is abuse and you are doing the right thing by staying away.

It all sounds scarily familiar - although it was my Dad who abused me, my Mum is only guilty of standing by and watching - and I have had years and years of therapy and AD's. I'm afraid that even after all that, the nagging doubt that maybe you should forgive one more time has never gone away for me but it did make me realise that the decision I took 14 years ago never to see him again was the right one.

But even after all this time...He's about to get married again and I've heard that his fiancee wants to know if there is any chance of a reconciliation...and I find myself wondering what it would be like which is stupid and naive as I know, as people on the first page have said, that he will never love me and it will never be the relationship I want it to be.

Stay strong. Build a happy life for yourself and your family and forget her. Trust and affection are earnt not given automatically and she deserves nothing from you.

DetectivePotato · 23/09/2010 09:32

I have read most of the OP.

Yes it was abuse. She sounds totally awful and you are completely justified in cutting her out and not wanting to make up with her again.

My 'mother' spent the first 4 years of my life being abusive. Stuff from when I was 2 I remember all too well. Luckily she dumped me at my nans one day and never came back. She done me a favour. Not that she wants to, but if she ever wanted to get in touch, there would be no way in hell I would have her in my life.

spiritmum · 23/09/2010 09:36

Good grief there are some terribly sad and shocking stories here. My heart and admiration goes out to all of you who have overcome this.

OP, it was abuse, and not your fault.

I agree with everyone else. You can forgive your mum in your own heart if you want to, but don't go back for more and let the cycle start again. You've moved on and that is how it should be.

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coatgate · 23/09/2010 09:39

Have read all the OP but not all the replies. Your story left me horrified, but also totally amazed that someone can go through such hell and turn out so well balanced. I hope that you are happy with your DH and DCs and do not let thoughts of your mother trouble you. You don't owe her anything.

Animation · 23/09/2010 09:39

SatanOnAScooter.

What's particularly diagnostic, with your mother being at the deep end of a Severe Personality Disorder, is the no conscience, no empathy and no remorse, - namely, anti-social/sociopathic/psychopatic. You're lucky to have come out of this alive - body and soul.

I recommend the book - "The Sociopath Next Door" by Martha Stout.

On some level you need to be clear in your own mind what you were up against.

mamatomany · 23/09/2010 09:44

You've done brilliantly to survive all that and come out the other side OP.
As for contact now, what do you think you would gain from it ?
I literally see my mother when it suits me or I want something, mine was nowhere near as abusive as yours but she did treat me in a way that has left me with very neutral at best feelings towards her.
I can't see what would be in it for you though to contact her ?

Olifin · 23/09/2010 09:55

OP, I hardly know what to say. I'm so sorry you suffered so much as a child; it sounds utterly awful and I found it very painful to read; goodness only knows how painful it must have been to go through it yourself.

I think it's incredible that you got through your GCSEs and got yourself a place at university, despite your home life. You worked so hard to get yourself out of that situation which shows tremendous strength of spirit, IMO.

It certainly was abuse. There was nothing at all you could have done differently. You were not to blame in any way at all. You didn't deserve it or cause it and you didn't expect too much. Hoping to be loved and nurtured; hoping not to be beaten, isolated and humiliated is not too much to expect from a parent. It's the very least anyone can expect.

I have no experience of this myself but I agree with other posters that talking about this is really important (albeit very painful and difficult). Talk to your DH and to a counsellor. I'm sure you are a wonderful mother to your DCs because you know that what happened to you was very wrong.

Wishing you all the very best.

NordicPrincess · 23/09/2010 10:12

im sorry you had such an awful childhood. DONT let her anywhere near you or your children.

but I have to say it....You re a mum, do you treat your children like this? No. So you obviously know this is abusive behaviour and this is just an attention seeking post.

If you want to work through your demons I suggest therapy not an internet forum.

annec555 · 23/09/2010 12:53

NordicPrincess - such a unnecessary post. You know what? Even if it was an attention seeking post, I don't actually care. We all need a bit of reassurance and attention every now and again and if theOP now feels a bit better about her choices following all the supportive messages, then a bit of therapy via Mumsnet is not such a bad thing.
Why do you feel the need to slap her down?

GetOrfMoiLand · 23/09/2010 12:57

Nordic, you are a disgrace and should be ashamed of yourself.

Who are you to police what is posted on internet forums? This forum can be incredibly helpful to those who have suffered abuse, and can help those who do not want to contemplate therapy.

And if we are being blunt, what on earth are we all doing here posting, if not to seek attention.

Your thoughtless post shows that you know nothing of abuse, and that you are as thick as two short planks to boot.

tooposhtopost · 23/09/2010 13:08

OP, I haven't read the whole thread (skim read most of it) but couldn't leave without posting.

You are the most amazing person! Well done! What you survived was something no child should have to live with and the fact that you got through, kept working at school, kept your sanity and even tried to help is a credit to you. Not many people could have risen above that childhood in a way that you have.

To answer your question - of course it was abuse. And of course your mother has serious mental health issues. Having said that, you shouldn't feel any need to contact her. Whilst she needs help, you are not the person best placed to give it and you have been through enough.

Concentrate on your lovely life now. Give your DCs all the love, reassurance, happiness and stability you never had as a child. I wish you all the best, and once again may I say how much I admire you.

anonymousbird · 23/09/2010 13:09

Nordic, that is simply unfair.

I have had therapy before. It is expensive, very time consuming and often very difficult to unload to order at a set time each week. It helped me, but it took months and months.

I have unloaded on here, and received such great help. I have unloaded just when i needed to most, at the exact time i was struggling and people were there at the exact time I needed them. We don't know each other, it's free, and the wealth of experience out there is amazing on MN. In a matter of hours, literally, I had so many amazing posts I can't tell you and a day or two later, I felt so so much better about something that had been lurking in me for 30 years.

Yes, maybe OP already knew it was abusive, but why not offload? Why not seek moral support and good suggestions?? for nothing, from others who have either been through
it, or seen someone suffer..

Not fair, lady, not fair at all.

QuintessentialShadows · 23/09/2010 13:09

Poor you, what a horrible childhood you have had. You have done amazingly well, coming out of it sounding so well adjusted. You are very strong. Awesome.

We all want attention when we post on a forum, (and NordicPrincess should know a lot about attentionseeking posts, she is quite the expert), we need to talk about our experiences, and sometimes just writing it down and opening up is good.

You seem to have come so far, not sure therapy is right for you, though? Do you feel like opening up the wounds and gnawing through it all again? For some people, therapy just makes them feel worse, and unable to move forward and on.

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