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AIBU or was this abuse?

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SatanOnAScooter · 22/09/2010 23:02

Sorry, this will probably be long.

I cut all ties with my mother about 8 years ago. Someone recently asked why I hadn't made up with her, after all she is my mum - it was a good friend asking and she meant nothing by it, she's never met my mum and doesn't know the real reason behind why we don't have contact - but it got me wondering (again) if I am a horrible, selfish cow or if i am kind of justified in my decision.

The only feelings i really have for her (my mother) are hate and pity, sometimes guilt. sometimes i think those feelings alone should be enough for me to know something was wrong in our relationship, but I swing between wondering if my mother was abusive towards me, or if she was just a crap parent, if i expected too much, was too sensitive etc etc.

I could list literally thousands of examples but I'll just list a few that still sting. I would be really grateful to hear what other people think to give me a kind of objective view on it. I've always felt too ashamed to tell anyone what it was really like. Even my DH doesn't know.

My Dad would sometimes work away from home. She would close all the curtains, lock the doors, keep me off school, lock herself in my bedroom (as it had a tv) all day, in the evening she would move to the lounge and lock me in my room. If i showed any signs of being upset, she would punch and punch me like a lunatic until she literally had no energy left. I was about 8. I would only be for a few days at a time, it was weeks or anything but it fekt like a lifetime at the time. I would just eat biscuits or bread or cereal. Dad would come home and It would be like nothing had happened.

Night before my first GCSE exam, she suddenly, completely out of the blue, grabbed me by the throat and told me I had to leave. she started to throw all my belongings out of my bedroom onto the street (cue a crowd of local kids laughing, shouting etc). I eventually climbed back in through the bathroom window and revised all night in silence, had no dinner, or breakfast, climbed back out through the bathroom window and sat the exam. Somehow I passed (in fact got an A) but fell asleep on the bus on the way home and ended up in the depot. Got home, was like nothing had happened, even had a 'good luck in your exams' card on my bed. She later put an announcement in the local paper congratulating me and saying something like 'I have always been there to support you'. I tore the paper into tiny, tiny shreds and put it in the bin in the local park.

Broke up with my first ever boyfriend. Completely broken hearted, she aksed me 'what's THAT face for?'. I told her and she said, 'he probably thought he could do better than you.' and walked away. Sad

Back with boyfriend, I'm 16, he's at uni in the time before mobiles and email ( and no house phone in his flat). He would call me at a set time on a set day every week from a pay phone. One day the call never came. I fretted and fretted worrying that he'd dumped me or that something bad had happened to him. Eventually on my way to bed I picked up the phone receiver and there was no dialling tone, the phone had been unplugged. There was only me and her at home, and it was so hard to get it back in there was no way it could have fallen out. She had been completely 'normal', sympathetic even, most of the day, and she turned all 'well he's probably found someone else, i bet he's out with her'. I went to bed and cried under my duvet, feeling sad, angry and quite scared, she stormed in, pulled me out of bed by my hair and warned me I'd better shut up.

I was having a hard time at school, being bullied, i had no friends, cos I had no confidence, had shite clothes and just wasn't cool. Parents evening, mother very loudly asks PE teacher how I would go about a career in sport - teacher looks awkward, and confused, knowing a)I'm shite, and b)am not interested in sports. Said in full view of the kids who bullied me, mother starts roaring with laughter. They ripped the piss for weeks and weeks.

She was arguing with my dad once, and she started to punch and kick him, I tried to stop them and ran into the street screaming (aged 7ish) - neighbours came to help, calm the situation down and they kept saying she shouldn't be like that in front of me (she was threatening to slit his throat while he slept) and she just kept saying 'she has to learn, it's a lesson in life, she has to learn, it;s all part of growing up'

She would randomly leave what I can only describe as cryptic suicide notes for me to find. Of course she never did anything, but i lived in fear of it. still do.

House was a disgusting mess, stunk to high heaven, often had maggots in kitchen. I would frantically clean whenever i thought someone might come round (very rare as she had fallen out with everyone and I had no mates but i lived in fear of someone normal seeing how we lived). She rarely washed and quite frankly stunk. I would wash in secret using an old biscuit tin filled with water to wash in my bedroom and would handwash my school uniform and dry it on my radiator. Despite this should would often say in front of people that I stunk, had bad breath, should bath more etc etc.

Dad was killed in an accident at work when I was 11. We were pretty close, but all i felt was numb and scared at being left alone with her. For a while i slept with a chair wedged under my door handle to lock my door from inside because I seriously thought she might try to kill me while I slept.

I basically worked really hard at school, had loads of part time jobs to get me out of the house and I buggered off to uni as soon as I could and never went back, apart from the odd weekend to basically kept up the pretence that everything was ok. I saved and saved the money from my part time jobs (I had 5 during my a levels) and she would often 'borrow' from me and later deny it. I never got any lent money back.

I used to sob in my room watching home and away because I desperately wanted Pippa to foster me Shock

Basically i cut all ties with her years ago when she got the wrong end of the stick about my plans for mothers day and said something a long the lines of 'well it's a good job you hadn't forgotten because I would have been LIVID with you if you had'. We ended the conversation and I thought, well you can fuck off, i changed my number and shortly moved and she now has no idea where in the world i am. She initially sent me a few really nasty letters, but no attempt at reconciliation (not that I thought she would) but I still always kind of stupidly hope it might all go normal, like she might find me,hug me and apologise and we could be a normal family.

She has no idea about my dh or my dc - my kids are the main reason I haven't ever caved in under the guilt. I would NEVER, never, never let her anywhere near them.

She is skint, in poor health and has fallen out with everyone, family, friends, neighbours so is (or was last time I heard) a sad, lonely, bitter old woman. She doesn't have a nice word to say about anyone. when my dad died, people rallied round but she would bitch about each person to the another, make stuff up, and people basically worked out if she was so nasty about so and so who was actually a nice person, she was probably saying the same thing about them. and she was. I never blamed anyone for turning their back on us, i just missed their contact.

She very obviously has some mental health problems. I did tentatively try to help when I was a child - i told an on off friend of hers in secret about the notes and i told her GP she always seemed sad but no one ever wanted to help and i was a scared kid. I didn't know what else to do. Once a teacher took me aside and asked if everything was ok at home and i just said yes. I worried that i might get taken into care and that she would then kill herself.

Seems odd seeing it all written down. when i think about my own kids and the life i want for then, it seems clear to me that my childhood was wrong, awful, sad. But as it's all i know for me, it feels normal and I don't know if i deserved it, or caused it, or expected too much, which in itself sounds totally crazy.

And as she so clearly wasn't 'well' during all of this, should I still feel duty bound to look after her now?? Even though she made my life a living hell? I beat myself up about this a lot, but I actually don't feel i owe her anything (which is what I feel bad about, you hear so many stories, way worse that anything i had to put up with, and the people are then caring their dying evil fucker of a parent, and I wonder if that's what I should be doing). It's kind of only hypothetical anyway because there is no way she would have anything to do with me if i got in touch now.

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js1000 · 22/09/2010 23:40

Oh God ! I literally have tears in my eyes, reading your horrific childhood. No child deserve that kind of shit, your mother was definitely Sick. Must say have been so brave to come out of that mess !!
I second Tirelady that you are not wrong and I would never ever contact her again.
In your post you have mentioned that no one knows about your past. What I feel is that you should at least let your close ones know. That way you will feel unbelievably good and light. By letting it out will gives you more strength and peace.

A Big Hug from my side love!

God Bless you and your family !!

I am sure you will get your share of happiness in your present and future life.....

AvrilHeytch · 22/09/2010 23:41

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SatanOnAScooter · 22/09/2010 23:43

It's so so helpful to read all your replies. thank you so much.

sorry for typos, i wrote it all out and then lost it so had to start all over and was on a roll of just getting it out.

What i forgot to put in was that it wasn't always like that - there were some nice times, special birthdays, fun christmases, etc etc but i suppose the tough part was that i never really know what i would get. sometimes we would have a laugh and joke and she would turn on me, out of the blue, which does sound bipolar-ish.

The good parts obviously don't make up for the shitty parts but i think that's why i sometimes feel guilty, sometimes she would do really nice things for me. Actually with my logical head, it was rare and it was never enough but it does mess with my head.

anyway, thanks again for all the replies. I have had a little bit of counselling but i am never able to sy much, i'm so ashamed - which is obviously stupid, that's the point of counselling.

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AvrilHeytch · 22/09/2010 23:46

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JaneS · 22/09/2010 23:48

Of course there were nice times! It would be a miracle if there were not - partly because children are very resilient and find the good times.

That doesn't at all mean you weren't abused. In fact, it makes it harder to deal with because we all have this stereotype that abuse means 24/7 bad treatment. That is a myth.

Honestly, you will find the Relationships thread so good. I'm deeply humbled by the level of abuse you've endured and still come out of sounding so caring about your mother, but I am another newbie on the Relationships boards, and they are great. It's like watching people tell you all the things you almost knew but felt to guilt to admit to, about how bad it was an how much of a survivor you are.

JaneS · 22/09/2010 23:49

Btw, counselling doesn't work for me yet. It may in the future. I don't think it's a reason to feel shamed, so don't worry.

AnxiousLand · 22/09/2010 23:49

i know there was nice times

there had to have been

but this has had a major impact on YOU

when you are ready you will go to therapy

find a reslly good experienced therapist

keep seeing different people until you feel you have clicked

bi-polar or not i think your Mother was spiteful towards you because she wanted to feel in control and powerful

you need to search for therapists now i wuill be back with a website you can input your postcode and see details, prices, location etc

you were just not ready and never stupid, you didn't click with the therapist

don't just stay with a therapist you know whether they are right for you within the first session

x

AnxiousLand · 22/09/2010 23:52

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AnxiousLand · 22/09/2010 23:52

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oops sorry

x

Inertia · 22/09/2010 23:57

That's just heartbreaking to read- certainly sounds like abuse to me. It sounds as though you were incredibly determined and focussed to escape from her, and you have worked so hard to reach this point in your life.

I think contacting her would put you in a no-win position. Whatever you did wouldn't be enough- it sounds as though, if mental health issues are the root of her behaviour, those issues have not been addressed. The guilt perhaps stems from wanting to care for the kind loving grandma you hoped your children would have, rather than the unstable, abusive person she actually is. Would it help to quantify the guilt? You feel X guilty for not being there for your ill (but abusive) mother- how much more guilty would you feel about allowing her back into your life and potentially harming your children or your marriage?

I really hope you are able to move forward with the counselling, you truly have nothing to be ashamed of.

SatanOnAScooter · 22/09/2010 23:59

Well i feel lucky that i now have a really lovely life, and i sometimes have to pinch myself, or sometimes if i feel down i have to remind myself where I started out from, Which is usually enough to drag me out of feeling down. There was a poem - it wasn't particularly profound but it ended with something like 'your childhood might not have been great, but it's over.' and that has kind of carried me through the dark times. that it is over. i wished and hoped as a kid that it would stop, and that i would have a nice happy home and away life (i should have watched better TV Wink), and it did and i have Grin

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JaneS · 23/09/2010 00:02
Smile

That is great.

AnxiousLand · 23/09/2010 00:04

yes

but you still ned to address the past satan

you need to know you are right or thses guilty feelings will always be there bubbling away

you can never erase the past but you can live with it in the best and most positive way almost all of the time

x

SatanOnAScooter · 23/09/2010 00:10

Well i did spend 3 years at uni and most of my twenties drunk. But i felt like i had missed out on so much fun that i deserved it (i didn't have an addiction to alcohol, more a difficulty turning down any opportunity to have fun, which usually involved alcohol, and it was great). Then i realised i didn't want to waste my life down the pub, you can only do that for so long right? Then i met my dh and started to focus on my career a bit more. anway, what i mean i guess is that the partying was kind of therapeutic in a way. No substitue for therapy but it did help. The thing i wanted most of all was fun and i had it.

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SatanOnAScooter · 23/09/2010 00:14

I felt angry a lot of the time i was at home - not for how my mother treated me so much, i guess cos i didn't like it but it was normal to me, i hated the fact i was missing out on life. i would see people at school having friendships, going out socialising, shopping etc and i was really really angry and jealous that i didn't have any of that. a big fluke that some geeky nerd i worked with fancied me, even in my god awful clothes [shudders at the memories]. That really helped. He's obviously long gone but I'm glad we met.

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MangoTango · 23/09/2010 00:25

You sound really nice and have done wonderfully well to make a new life and family for yourself.

Your mum made the first part of your life awful. Don't let her wreck the new life you have made for yourself. Maybe get some professional help to talk through what you went through, but stay away from your mum. You did really well to make that break. It was the right thing to do.

ChippingIn · 23/09/2010 02:09

You have done really, really well to have come out of a childhood like that wanting better for your own children and having a good life of your own - not everyone is that strong/lucky.

You had a terrible, terrible childhood - whether your Mother was sick or just nasty I can't say - but I think you are better off staying away from her. There are people here who are still in a relationship with their 'toxic' parent/s and it's just awful to read about the abuse that continues (usually verbal). Please don't get in touch with her.... remember and appreciate Geeky Lad, Love your DH, Love your kids and be happy x

I do think you should talk to your DH though, you have nothing to be ashamed of and you shouldn't hide this part of you from him.

Jelllie · 23/09/2010 05:46

Ditto to what everyone else has said. I would add that it is perfectly and reassuringly normal for a human being to want a mother. And no matter how awful that mother can be, it is a natural instinct for most to keep wanting to go back and find everything is okay, and she has discovered how to be a proper mum. We all have the dream of having a wonderful mum in some form.
Ialso had a difficult relationship with my mum, now pretty much resolved, more for the benefit of my DCs than for me.
It was once explained to me in this sense, although it did not appeal to me at the time. You are hungry, you need food in the form of love. Your mum is like a sandwich (stick with me... It's going somewhere!) and you are hungry so you take a bite. The lovely sandwich does not taste like it should - it is bitter and rotten. But you are hungry and because of this, you go back. But the sandwich never actually changes. It is always shit. How many times will you keep going back?
Mothers are just people like us. Some will be good, bad, mad and everything in-between, and usually because their own early life was bad in some way. Break the cycle, and break it for good if necessary. You know she hasn't changed, but you have been strong and not allowed her defects to live through you.

squishy · 23/09/2010 07:21

Oh my goodness, how dreadful for you, this was horrifically abusive; if I was you, I would go for some counselling. If you decide that you do want to make contact with her, that will be your decision within your control and also perfectly normal/understandable (as it would be if you decide never to see her). I work with abused children and they often wish to repair relationships with their abusive parent, but this doesn't always work out for the best for them, depends so much on the parent.

You're right, she clearly had/has issues, but this doesn't undo the impact of her abusive behaviour on you and the complete lack of support you had when you lost your Dad.

YA most definitely NBU xx

anonymousbird · 23/09/2010 07:43

YOU ARE AMAZING.

I was very sad to read your story, but you have moved on, so stay moved on. Your life is now built on its own basis, on your basis, keep it that way.

Don't turn back/don't look back. You've "let it all out" here in the most lucid and eloquent way. People are responding with great comments and support, why re-open it any further?

Hard I know, but I think if I were you, I wouldn't seek any counselling, unless it eats you up so badly that you need to go through that (often very painful) process of weeks/months of dealing with it only to get back to where you probably are right now....

Animation · 23/09/2010 07:57

So sorry to hear what you went through - you should have been protected from such abusive and neglectful behaviour.

You're mother has definatly got a psychopathic personality. You should have nothing more to do with her. Your responsibility is to yourself and your own family.

Balsam · 23/09/2010 08:13

You know, if you ever find yourself questioning again whether your childhood was abusive, think about your own children. About how you feel about them. Could you ever imagine punching them in the face? Would you ever drag them out of bed by their hair? That's your answer.

The other thing I wanted to say was that you've made an enormous, positive step by cutting your mother out of your life. So many abused people get stuck in the cycle, still trying to win the love and approval of the abusive parent even as an adult and they find it very, very difficult to let go. You've already made that massive step by yourself and you should be bloody proud. So stick to it and don't feel guilty for one second.

Morloth · 23/09/2010 08:14

Sounds abusive to me and I think you have made exactly the right decision in having nothing to do with her.

Good on you, have your life without this person fucking with it. You reap what you sew really. If she wanted a strong and loving relationship with her adult daughter then she should have treated her baby daughter better.

Life is too short to waste it on people who make you feel like shit.

Lauriefairycake · 23/09/2010 08:18

What AnxiousLand says.

You have done nothing wrong - she's as mad as a box of frogs.

Well done at overcoming what you have suffered and protecting your dh and children from her Smile