to think that truely feminist stance on prostitution, is to support legalisation?

[StuckInTheMiddleWithYou]

I recently moved to an inner city area.

There is a known brothel here and a homeless shelter.

I have seen some very sad, desperate sights walking past our home lately.

I wouldn't want any child of mine involved in this trade, however this does strike as something which desperately needs regulating - for the sake of the women, girls and boys involved.

Prohibition has failed miserably.

AIBU?

OldLadyKnowsNothing wrote - "having different moral values doesn't give you the right to impose them on others by way of law."

I think you'll find that is exactly what has happened for most laws passed by most governments for most of history.

Vesuvia, there is always the worry that if one sticks one's head above the parapet (so to speak), that one's head is now directly in the line of fire.

Look at the way Dittany speaks to me on here for an example.

We don't trust journalists as we don't want to end up being on the front page of the NOTW and most research is done by the antis, so we know bloody well that they will twist our words at best and claim that we are in favour of coercion and trafficking at best.

But why does the experience of one or two prostitutes who love their jobs count for more than the vast bulk of credible evidence which shows that prostitution is an occupation, in the main, for desperate women? Generalising or legislating for on the basis of the minority makes no sense.

Sorry, last one should be at worst.

I need another coffee :)

Because, jenny60, the "vast bulk of crdedible evidence" is based on street workers, who are a tiny minority (I suspect, but cannot prove) of sex workers.

I'm not part of a gang Dittany. I don't personally know who these other prosex people are on this thread. Can't speak for the others but i'm not part of an organised invasion force.

My agenda is that I don't like the idea of people wanting to label me, help me, push me into doing things I don't want to do under the guise of helping (as well meaning as it may be).

I don't make any claim that whoring is an amazing career choice, nor to I claim that it is all 'happyhooker-ville' for everyone.

It's a risky job, sometimes horrible but then I found that it could also sometimes be great fun, exiting, and great for someone who needs to work flexibly while earning very good money. I'm no Belle de Jour advocate, i'm a realist and some aspects of prostitution can be very dark. Many many girls don't have the sense or the ability to avoid those aspects. That is why hookers need to stick together as it's not something you can wander into blindly. The advent of adultwork terrifys me as it is so easy for someone without any experience of the industry to just set up a profile for themselves in seconds. There are a lot of very young girls on there without a clue as to what they are doing or how to handle themselves.

Not all punters are scum. Some are. A large number have few social skills when it comes to women or people in general and are very lonely and just need human contact. It's really not all about fucking and 'buying' women.

I am not working now but I don't regret my time doing it.

Jenny60, the evidence only says that because it is in the main based on women who DON'T want to do this.

Mandamumu wrote - "there is always the worry that if one sticks one's head above the parapet (so to speak), that one's head is now directly in the line of fire.

Look at the way Dittany speaks to me on here for an example.

We don't trust journalists as we don't want to end up being on the front page of the NOTW and most research is done by the antis, so we know bloody well that they will twist our words at best and claim that we are in favour of coercion and trafficking".

The words of feminists who are not in favour of prostitution are twisted by the pro-prostitution lobby too.

Am I? Where?

BlackBess wrote - "these other prosex people".

I think you actually mean "these other pro-legalization-of-the-clients-of-prostitutes people".

I don't recall feminist opponents of "the people who use prostitutes" saying that they are "anti-sex."

Dittany, I just logged in and checked. I never posted on that thread

That's a thread from March! (On punternet)

First of all, that is a separate thread

Second, you have quoted me AND another poster and managed to make it look like I said all of it.

Just to clarify. The thread that you originally mentioned, I did NOT post on.

In another thread, possibly the only mention I have ever made of MN, I said:

I really don't care what I'm called as long the person calling me it isn't being insulting.

When I called myself a prossie on Mumsnet (don't ask), I was called a misogynist!

Prostitute is like spinster, it's a very hard sounding word.

I think we should reclaim the word, just like we did "whore". If nothing else it pisses of the feminizt sorority. They'd much rather refer to us as prostituted women.

Why is it "trolling Mumsnet" to disagree with you, dittany?

At no point have I "boasted" about posting here and I have NEVER trolled here (or anywhere else)

The discussion was about what escorts should be called. The point I was making was that each woman can choose her own job title and that I was annoyed that when I call myself a prossie, you attack me.

If I call myself a hooker/escort you say that I am flowering things up to make them look good.

I can't win, now you are trying to call me a troll?

Why don't you just admit that you are trying to get me thrown off of MN because I disagree with you?

Depends what went on the thread surely. If they came and joined in general discussion, that is not trolling surely? I discuss MNetters/threads on FB all the time. I didn't realise it wasn't allowed.

Finally Dittany you show the true colours of yourself and many other radical feminists.

You are NOT pro woman, you are anti man and also anti any woman who dares to disagree with you.

I am done with you!

I genuinely don't understand how/why legalized brothels produce an underground movement.

Oh come one, one or two mentions in passing and MN is "a topic of conversation"? Get over yourself. And so what if people post on more than one board; is there some MN law about it? Would you exclude prostitutes from discussions on, er, prostitution?