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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

(pedant alert)

191 replies

Olifin · 12/09/2010 11:24

AIBU to wish people would say 'mischievous' rather than 'mischievious'?

And to wish that people would notice the difference between prostate and prostrate?

Too much time on my hands on a Sunday morning...

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desertgirl · 12/09/2010 20:58

hmm, not sure that everyone who has learned to drive actually remembers all of what they were taught either or maybe that is just the Middle East....

Headbanger, I absolutely defy you (or anyone) to teach me to sing, I am just hoping that my children get any genes relating to musical ability from their father!

Headbanger · 12/09/2010 21:00

Enjoy your fish supper, DoodlySkids.

Desert I bullied taught my husband to sing! When we met he knew just the one note, and we never quite worked out which one it was. Few years later he was singing the bass line in Faure's Requiem.

Didn't seem to enjoy it, mind...Grin

staranise · 12/09/2010 21:04

I completely agree desertgirl - I make my living from people who have to pay someone to clarify their English so it is legible because they were never taught to do so themselves.

I've also seen how difficult it can be for many English people to learn another language because they have no basic knowledge of how their own language works.

Claw3 · 12/09/2010 21:04

"Claw I have totally and utterly failed to get you to understand one single clause I have written in the past half-hour, and to that extent I am fully prepared to go and re-sit every English test I ever had..."

How patronising is that!

I think you will find i agreed the rules of grammar assists in making yourself understood.

I fail to see how being a pedant helps anyone.

staranise · 12/09/2010 21:05

Ayn Rand and the President... it's enough to put you off your fish supper.

Olifin · 12/09/2010 21:06

ChippingIn

I did read your post at 19:18. I do feel sad that threads like these might make people leave a forum. Errors don't detract from a person's point but might distract from it. Like Headbanger, I don't look down on others who don't spell/punctuate accurately; but I am attuned to it.

ski I take your point about the dictionary. But there has to be a middle ground, doesn't there? If there were no rules, no dictionary, we'd all just speak and spell however we wanted to and have great difficulty in understanding each other.

A bemused as you may be, I do indeed have a degree in linguistics. Graduates of any discipline will have different opinions on their subject. I'm sorry you think my view is simplistic. I maintain that it is ok for me to be mildly irked by people mispronouncing/misspelling words.

'My bad' was.....bad. I do acknowledge that and remind you of my multiple spritzer consumption today. (Claw, you will be pleased to know that I am taking your advice and consuming yet more spritzers).

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Serendippy · 12/09/2010 21:06

Why would commenting on misuse of language be less offensive to dyslexic people/those with speech impediments/people who type too quickly etc. if it were in pedants corner? People have entirely missed the point of AIBU. It is like the woman who comments on children left in a car for an hour getting told off for judging because the other mother may have had mitigating circs/ not be able to tell the time/ have been waiting to get them KFC and there was a long queue. By all means, argue, but don't get offended. If you are easily offended get out of AIBU because you will weep.

Headbanger · 12/09/2010 21:07

I was wrong as a wrongster taking one up the wrong'un, Star - it was 'Ayn Rand and God'!

ChippingIn · 12/09/2010 21:08

desertgirl had you previously picked up from her other posts that Mumbar has dyslexia? I never knew until she told me. It is 'obvious' with some posters, less so with others.

Written communication in the work place is a different thing entirely. A handwritten note to a colleague - so long as it's understandable, anything goes - any 'formal' communication should be correct - spellchecked, checked by a colleague etc. There is no excuse for anything to go to a client with mistakes in it, nor anything in a presentation. Anything coming home from a school should be perfect - not 'formal' just correct spelling etc - yet sadly, they are usually the worst culprits!

Schools have a lot to answer for - grammar wasn't taught when I was at school, it was all this 'free text' & 'getting it down on paper'. I thank my Dad (perfectionist!) and the fact I studied french - they basically had to teach us the fundamentals of the english language to be able to teach us French. It needs to be taught at school, not at the cost of 'creative writing' but alongside of it.

I agree - most of it isn't enriching in any way, shape or form!

Headbanger OK - so you believe that it can be learnt and to some extent I agree, I suppose if you can learn it as a child you can learn it as an adult, but really, how practical is that? Take my friend, she works full time, has two children, one demanding husband and barely time to breath for herself - when exactly is she meant to spend hours each day learning English in the way you would learn a foreign language?

I taught English as a Foreign Language and it was bloody hard work! Fortunately it was immersion teaching - with only small amounts of 'this is why we do x' but I had to study and learn the rules for so much of it and I knew the 'answer' I just needed the 'why' - my friend would have to learn both.

(Please excuse the bolding in my previous post it was meant to be ^^'s not **'s!!)

staranise · 12/09/2010 21:09

...and their offspring was George Bush...

Claw3 · 12/09/2010 21:12

'my bad' was alright Olifin, shows that your butt cheeks unclench from time to time.

Im debating whether to go and have a bath or wait for the swearing and dancing on the table, if the spritzers are flowing.

Headbanger · 12/09/2010 21:15

Chipster I was never taught it either; I just seemed to sort of pick it up, in the same way that some people can add up complicated sums in their head (sorcery, if you ask me).

But your friend wouldn't need hours, I think that's my point. I've taught post-doctoral students 'advanced' English, to help with writing up their research, and I got so much satisfaction out of explaining how to use a semi-colon (or whatever) and hearing them say, "I never knew it was that simple".

The reason I get a bit tetchy when people accuse me of pedantry or elitism or thinking I am better than others is because I am so passionately the reverse. My reasoning is "If I can do it, any idiot can."

However, as I said, I never needed to be taught - must've been dropped on my head on a pile of Guides to English Usage as an infant - so I suppose I might be being optimistic. I hope not, though!

Olifin · 12/09/2010 21:15

ChippingIn

I do agree...a handwritten note from a colleague with misspellings is fine. I would notice the mistakes and they would irk me but I wouldn't say anything to the writer.

I don't think I can help the fact that the mistakes would irk me. It's just the way I am. Confused

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Headbanger · 12/09/2010 21:16

Grin @ StarAnise

Claw3 · 12/09/2010 21:16

Bath it is, i shall go and lick my wounds as Headbanger as deemed me the 'thick' one of the thread Grin

desertgirl · 12/09/2010 21:17

Chipping In, that was why I said 'or anyone', what I was trying (and clearly failing) to communicate was that it isn't individuals being unable to spell that (I think) is what is irritating people, it is the more 'communal' errors. Writing 'rediculous' isn't particularly irritating, but writing 'should of' is (it's too late here for me to think of a closer comparison, I know one is spelling and one grammar, but I hope you know what I mean?)

Headbanger · 12/09/2010 21:19

Claw, I didn't. I thought you were very patronising and dismissive for instructing me to disentangle my undercrackers, and responded with corresponding exasperation. I would never identify anyone as being thick, because I am extremely nice. So there.

ozmetric · 12/09/2010 21:21

Why is it OK to say that people "overly concerned" with correct language are tedious, but those who are unconcerned by it must not be challenged? Is there some level of interest somewhere between these two that we are all supposed to conform to? Confused

Olifin · 12/09/2010 21:22

Claw

If you pop back after your bath, you may find me dancing on the table and singing 'Mustang Sally'. Grin

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ChippingIn · 12/09/2010 21:22

Headbanger I completely missed this part of your post The apostrophe rules are so simple I can't see how it's any more difficult than remembering which is the clutch pedal (is there a clutch pedal?! I've never learned to drive)... and the consequences are far less terrifying. I suppose most people would have better grammar if the penalty for making mistakes was plummeting into the central reservation on the M5... God knows how!! But yes, maybe that is how we should teach grammar!!!

and of course I had to pick 'sing' didn't I, I had no idea you could sing! PMSL (or maybe somewhere in the darkest recesses of my brain I did know??!!).

ChippingIn · 12/09/2010 21:23

Oh bugger I am trying to 8 things at once and I keep missing so many posts - you are all cracking me up!

ChippingIn · 12/09/2010 21:25

staranise where do you live that you have never heard my bad? I try not to use it because it is such terrible english, but it does 'slip out' of its own accord every now and then. Has anyone explained what it means yet? (still trying to catch up with it all) - it means 'My mistake - sorry'

Claw3 · 12/09/2010 21:28

Headbanger, You replied "Oh for the love of all that's holy and precious" and at one point told me "dont be silly" thats why i said dont get your knickers in twist.

You started the patronising and dismissive, so there.

You obviously cant absorb anything i have said all night. Not saying you are thick or anything of course!

staranise · 12/09/2010 21:28

London for the past few years but it's all terribly RP round here. We were abroad for a long time before that. And I'm from the north.

I will try 'My bad' when apologising to clients...

Tigerdrivesbackin · 12/09/2010 21:29

Y'know, ladies. I think we all need to chillax.

Now THERE'S a word.

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