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... to Protest the Pope?

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stubbornhubby · 08/09/2010 09:03

A friend of mine told me at the weekend that this will make me an extremist...anyway we had a long thread about this in July and a few people said they'd be keen, like me, to wave a banner as he parades around the country.

There's a big march in London on Sat 18th, Hyde park Corner @ 1.30pm
details here
www.protest-the-pope.org.uk/

Also, if you live in SW London, a Small demo in Strawberry Hill on Fri 17th @9am. (NB official visti website says you will not be able to see the pope arrriving/departing SMUC - I think he must be using helicopter. Or apparating Smile)

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UnquietDad · 15/09/2010 19:45

One of his henchmen says there is a new and aggressive atheism here.

Just shows what happens when you step out of your closeted little world and meet some real people for a change. Yes, mate, UK in Lots Of People Do Not Believe Your Fairytales shocker. Bit of a bummer, isn't it?

StrictlyTory · 15/09/2010 19:47

Please someone show me where I said 'describing her abuse was immature'?

All I can see is objecting to silly, childish name calling.

Rosedee · 15/09/2010 19:48

Fair enough but if I'd suffered that abuse or knew someone who had been thru that abuse I think a bit of name calling is the least I'd wanna do. Have no respect for anyone who does it, condones it or covers it up.

rubbersoul · 15/09/2010 19:57

what I just love about many atheists is that they have no problem in declaring religion to be a 'fairytale' and absolutely no regard or respect for peoples beliefs.

So glad I'm not one Grin

Marjoriew · 15/09/2010 19:59

I belong to forums of survivors of historical institutional abuse and we call him a lot worse there.
I can call him whatever the fucking hell I like.
If some don't like it - tough shit!

StrictlyTory · 15/09/2010 20:02

The thing is.... what good does name calling do? It does just make you look silly, isn't that what we've all been taught. I'm all for talking about abuse, the cover ups and any faults of the Pope's but I do really feel that decending into name calling deflects from the real issues. Which is that abuse is terrible and must be stopped in all forms.

It's like toilet humour, it gets a laugh but afterwards you feel a bit pathetic for actually being amused by it. Lets discuss real issues and not act like 5 year olds in the playgroup is all I'm saying.

StrictlyTory · 15/09/2010 20:03

Ooops I mean playground

dittany · 15/09/2010 20:05

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Rosedee · 15/09/2010 20:06

I really doubt that majorie finds her name calling amusing or has a good old laugh about it. She probably feels sick to the stomach and a bit of "immature" name calling is a very benign [in my opinion] way of dealing with what happened to her. I'd want to kill the bastards.

tokyonambu · 15/09/2010 20:14

"I'm all for talking about abuse, the cover ups and any faults of the Pope's"

Unless it involves talking about abuse, the cover ups and any faults of the Pope's, at which point you'd rather whine about being oppressed.

"what good does name calling do? It does just make you look silly,"

Saying "there was not one jew killed in the gas chambers, it was all lies lies lies" makes you look silly, but not silly enough for Ratzinger to think you shouldn't be made a bishop. You can hear the man Ratzinger appoint as a bishop tell us that there was no deliberate policy of killing Jews, and there were no has chambers, . I think that's pretty appalling, although Strictly Tory presumably thinks it's petty to point this out.

MrsMadWriggle · 15/09/2010 20:24

rubbersoul "what I just love about many atheists is that they have no problem in declaring religion to be a 'fairytale' and absolutely no regard or respect for peoples beliefs. So glad I'm not one"

This isn't a thread about whether there is a God or not.

I'm happy for people to worship whatever they like, as long - as long as it has no impact on me or other members of society.

This is a thread about the morality of the Catholic church.

Rosedee · 15/09/2010 20:28

Oh and yanbu stubbornhubby for wanting to protest.

lal123 · 15/09/2010 20:30

YANBU to protest - in fact anyone who believes in basic human rights would be unreasonable not to.

Original poster
stubbornhubby · 15/09/2010 20:35

If any Mumsnetter lives in SW London, and would like to stand shoulder to shoulder with me at Strawberry Hill on Friday - post here.

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ISNT · 15/09/2010 20:38

strictlytory I don't see that you have said anywhere that you are in any way sorry for what happened to marjoriew when she was a child, instead repeatedly calling her silly.

That says all I need to know really.

ISNT · 15/09/2010 20:39

Same attitude the pope and the vast majority of the rest of the RC hierarchy took, really, isn't it.

Child abuse? Don't be so silly.

StrictlyTory · 15/09/2010 20:46

Yes.... that's what I said Hmm

I commented on some silly name calling. I did NOT comment on her abuse as I don't know the full story. I did not say her abuse was silly, just the name calling.

But hey if you want to just make massive assumptions with no evidence go ahead.

StrictlyTory · 15/09/2010 20:51

Marjoriew Wed 15-Sep-10 17:51:29
How about Pope Ratty, then?

StrictlyTory Wed 15-Sep-10 17:53:44
Mature, Majoriew so very very mature

This has been our only exchange. So I resent the accusations that I have called what happened to her 'silly' or tried to cover it up in anyway.

ISNT · 15/09/2010 21:01

She posted all of that awful heartrending stuff and your only comment is to pick her up on a silly joke? Which TBH who would really blame her for making?

Seriously you do not have it in you to say

I am sorry marjoriew, for what happened to you as a child.

I have heard her story before and I find it terribly upsetting. She was a child. A little child and they did these things to her, her and thousands of others like her.

When you say you don't know the full story, you mean she might be lying? Or do you mean that you can't comment without hearing the other side ie the people who abused her, what they have to say?

FGS have you no compassion?

HouseOfBamboo · 15/09/2010 21:02

Strictly - It just seems odd that you are apparently give more weight to the poster's comments when she 'disses the pope' than when she details horrific child abuse is all, surely you can see that?

Sandthefloor · 15/09/2010 21:14

After reading your story Marjoriew I think it's very sad that immediately after telling it that anyone could critisise you for name calling.

Tiredmumno1 · 15/09/2010 21:20

There are abusers from all walks of life, not just within the catholic church.

Not everybody holds the same views, there were obviously some vile people doing vile things, however they will still respect their religious leader due to their faith.

I dont see much point in protesting now, if you didnt want him, then you should have all been out there protesting, to stop the visit

Easywriter · 15/09/2010 21:26

Hold on a minute here ISNT why does Stricly need to say she's sorry for Majorie's suffering?

No one else has.

You haven't ISNT, is that because you expect everyone to take it as red that you feel sorrow for majorie's suffering?

Fair enough if you do but then why don't you take it as red that Strictly does too. Why does she need to post a statement to that effect when no-one else does?

Just before you all begin, I am so sorry that you (Majorie) and many other innocent children (now grown up) have suffered abuse at the hands of catholic church priests.

It does look as if Strictly's point was more that Majorie's name calling didn't help your debate rather than that Majorie's post was out of order as an expression of her (Majorie's) ability to say whatever she want's about people who certainly haven't hastened her abusers date with justice.

That's what it looked like to me anyway.

lal123 · 15/09/2010 21:30

Just seen Makes for interesting viewing. (This is my first you tube link so apols if it doesn't work!)

tokyonambu · 15/09/2010 21:38

"There are abusers from all walks of life, not just within the catholic church."

Teachers who abuse children don't tend to find it easy to get another job as a teacher. Priests who abuse children are given another job in another parish. That isn't the same, is it?

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