to hide the feminism topic?

[CerealOffender]

the thread titles are all so serious and worthy and make me feel frivolous and unsisterly.

I'm a bit irritated by women who don't consider themselves to be feminists. When you question their unfeminist-stance (or, more usually, their anti-feminist stance) you establish that they like having the rights to voting, equal pay, being treated equally in education, the workplace, by the health and benefits and taxation systems

But no, they're absolutely not feminists ...

I think the OP should NOT hide the feminist threads and just help to give the whole topic a bit of a style makeover

'All the shouting and hand wringing about rape and abuse and the 'patriarchy' sounds faintly ridiculous coming from a bunch of women who are safe at home in their cosy houses with a steady income and happy life.'

CCL, you have no idea what the background or current situation is for the posters and lurkers on any thread.
The other point that concerns me is that oppression, rape and abuse are never ridiculous subjects to discuss, and if the victims cannot speak out for themselves, then others should.

I've only ventured onto one thread over there. Tried to join in, and a few posts down one of the 'established' posters on there posted something that went like this.

'Who are all you people coming onto the feminism board and disagreeing with us' Us I assume being the ones who toe the received party line over there.

To me, that is just as abusive, ignorant and patronising as anything that has ever been said to a woman by a man - in fact I've never been spoken to like that by a man.

And that is why feminism has such a bad reputation.

I doubt men would protest at GG's funeral either, they wouldn't waste their time...

QC; All the things you listed would have been achieved anyway.

( eg; It was a man who legalised abortion.)

I think we need as wide a range of opinions as possible. I have learnt a lot from some excellent arguments and opinions of people without any academic qualifications. We should be able to listen to alternative arguments without accusations such as troll and derailer being bandied about. scottishmummy was on the receiving end of some of that because she disagreed with the prevailing view and daftpunk often receives the same treatment. Let's open it up for everyone to contribute. Sometimes we may be jolted out of a way of thinking which may have become stuck in a rut.

You're right Goblin, but we all have computer access and are sitting here happily tapping away...

Quattro I would question whether there are actually that many women who consider themselves anti-feminist - after all that would mean, in the simplest definition, being opposed to womens' equality. But I would guess there are quite a few who find the over-riding ideology of the male/female relationship as being driven by domination and submission irrelevant and off-putting.

I'm not a feminist, I want equality for everyone. If any of you are involved with Amnesty you will know how much men suffer.

Fight for the individual.

I like the feminist topic. I am not a radical feminist and I don't agree with everyone all the time, just like I don't in real life.....

I dunno, maybe I just like hearing POVs that differ to mine so I can challenge myself and reconsider my own ideas. I suppose that some people find that intolerable.

There are many people who have found refuge in the feminism topic after being treated harshly on other parts of mumsnet soooo, what i'm saying is that just as the relationships board isn't made up of one homogenous group, neither is the feminism board. Oh and people try to assert their academic superiority all over the boards!

I enjoyed reading the thread on Academic Feminism and found myself agreeing with SGM.
I also made a few notes on specific writers to have a look at, so I could think further.

' If anything, we are moving into a society where only 2 types of people exist: men who love football and women who like pink. People are acting out these constructs because they believe they should rather than looking at just how destructive it is to think that only men can be car mechanics and women teachers. That doesn't mean that the biological categories of woman/ man don't exist but that the gendered constructions of what it means to be man/ woman are essentially harmful. [i.e. women as breeders as opposed to women as mothers]'

This post, combined with the information that you were going out to buy something pink for your DD, put me firmly into the SGM camp of thinking.

Yep, I like pitching my ideas and seeing where they end up (in the bin usually) LG you make me laugh, and you never mean to.

Tres sweet

OK, That's my half hour ration of MN up...catch up next week maybe

Wow has this thread moved on! Facinating.

It still beats me why people are so affronted by the existence of the feminism topic.

As mrsrisotto says there is very robust debate on other sections of the board. AIBU (of course), Politics and News spring to mind. Why single out feminism for that?

Daftpunk, feminism IS wanting equality between men and women. What did you think it was?

Flashback 15 years to my daughter in her white sparkly dressing up dress with sword and shield, teaching her the rules of chivalrous conduct and how to fence.

'I'm in yr head messin' with your stereotypes'
is a line she often uses.

'It still beats me why people are so affronted by the existence of the feminism topic. '

I don't think that many of us here are affronted by it, I'm delighted that it exists as a forum for robust debate amongst those that relish combat. I just don't want to join in and get stomped for being different.

You mean my Goth with the pink fluffy notebook, SGM?
Yup, that's us.
DS is an Aspie, so any debate about gender roles only makes sense to him if it's based in logic and fairness in his eyes. He sometimes comes home with teenage lad nonsense, but having the misconceptions pointed out means his own logic defeats his efforts to become a male stereotype.