to hide the feminism topic?

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the thread titles are all so serious and worthy and make me feel frivolous and unsisterly.

See, Milly decent post, others not so, people seem to have an issue accepting for reasons aside the whole topic of feminism on MN, comes across as oppressive, bullying, intimidating and "converting" to some.

Does this thread not tell you that? That's the whole issue, people cannot express opinions without them being dismissed as absurd as they don't fit the "agenda" it proves a very good point and this thread is tame compared to some stuff I have seen over there.

There are obviously plenty of people who feel the same about the topic in general, why is that so hard for others to understand WHY.

I've just remembered that I didn't like feminism when I was first taught it at uni, then I came around, like that ghandi (?) saying "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, and then you win" or something like that....

NiceShoes I don't know if you're referring to me trying to "convert" people?

This is AIBU and I think it is unreasonable to hide the feminist topic because I think that feminism is so very important to womenn.

Some people will think: bloody hell - what is tabouleh on about - sounds awful - I will hide the topic.

Some will think: that sounds interesting - maybe I will have a look at that topic/post there/lurk there/read up on feminism.

Most people haven't given long detailed reasons as to why they want to hide the topic - but of course they are free to.

I think you do a great job tabouleh, you don't get riled up at all but see the opportunities to spread the word. I just see red . Yours is a much better approach.

i think we need to make it clear here the feminism topic does not equal feminism. i don't think hiding the topic means turning your back on feminism.

tabouleh your intentions are no doubt v. good but your post are turgid

I don't hide it, but I do ignore it. I am especially annoyed by anyone telling me that I'm selling myself and my sisters short if I don't call myself a feminist. I'm not a feminist. I believe in equal opportunities for everyone, any gender, any race, and religion. I see places where men are, in a way, oppressed, like how society still hasn't totally accepted SAHDs, or how they don't get equal paternity rights. So if a see women being short-changed, I'll fight to change it. But I'll equally fight for men's rights. Like how I cover my head in synagogue, even though women don't have to, because men have to. I don't think that's fair so I'll cover my head until the rules are the same for everyone.

its the linkage and the italic that turn me off tbh

I've found this thread very interesting, and working out the different perceptions that posters have of each other as individuals and in categories. So I'm a bit more enlightened than I was.

"its the linkage and the italic that turn me off tbh"

If that is all it takes, you are easily affected!

oh come on msrisotto you know what i mean.

"Why are so many people on here directly saying or implying that they denounce feminism based on the opinions of a few women on the feminist section of MN."

Milly: I see it differently to you, and don't think that's what this thread is about. They are saying that they feel themselves to be feminists (in their blood, water, or past or present actions/stance/feelings) but that the feminist topic on Mumsnet as it stands at the moment does not suit them. Is not welcoming to them. Is too radical to them. Is too dominated by a few overbearing characters.

I am sort of on that side of the fence, whilst at the same time fully appreciating Lenin and others' pov that a whole MNet topic should not be mentally written off because of the loud personalities of a handful of posters.

But mainly I prefer to mn for the light and inconsequential stuff. I really do like to debate serious matters with people I actually know. I ignored all of Politics throughout the General Election, even though I am politically savvy and active. Iyswim.

tabouleh I've liked your posts on this thread. You've challenged my point of view a few times and given examples of things that might make interesting reading material, but without telling me I'm wrong or getting huffy that our opinions are perhaps different.

You owe me £24.93 for an Amazon order btw .

My stance on things is pretty much like AnnieL states above, and that's why I don't consider myself a feminist. When I've read my mountain of new books, I'll come back and we can talk again!

AL, as I sort of said earlier, just because someone considers themselves to be a feminist, it doesn't mean that the liberation of women is their sole or primary political concern. I am a feminist but my support for women's rights is secondary to my interest in resolving the socially unequal aspects of environmental problems.

"Its quite a leap to suggest that anyone who hides the feminism topic on Mumsnet is not a feminist."

Couldn't agree more.

mrsr - at uni i decided my undergrad dissertation would be on elements of masculinity, because tbh ihad had feminism rammed down my throat the whole time, and the rest of the world was writing about women.

ten thousand words later i realised it's not possible to discuss the one without the other.

i am a feminist. but really i'm a humanist. it's just if you're humanist, you are a feminist by default, and often i feel more like a feminist because of obvious inequalities i experience and see...

i wasn't around for most of the tg threads, but it's something that has made me question a lot of my thought on gender. i have no idea what was discussed about tg on here, but discussing gender with someone who feels they were allocated the 'wrong' sex at birth makes you consider deeply what gender really means.

there's some really interesting stuff, honest.

Humanist. So there is a word for what I am! Thank you!

Humanists are not religious. So that isn't really an option for some feminists, who are religious.

Skint - I really had my mind opened at uni about transgender issues, it is a really interesting topic for the completely naive like I was and to some extent, still am. I was on the tg threads but my ideas are still not fully formed in my mind and I have had clashes on the feminist forum about it but at the moment I haven't had time to read anything else about it. It is certainly interesting in light of the evidence showing us that baby boy & girls brains are scarily similar at birth. Really goes against a lot of genderisation.

i find gender fascinating.

I would start a thread about it but...I'm not sure I or the fem forum could take it so soon after the last one!