to hide the feminism topic?

[CerealOffender]

the thread titles are all so serious and worthy and make me feel frivolous and unsisterly.

It'd be nicer than a massive thread hating on a small sub-forum

Actually I don't think it is tough enough over there sometimes. Topic wise.

The threads about rape though are very unbearable. I am plesed there ate women in that section who cam sympathise and help. I've certainly got nothing to offer. There was a thread the other day with a poster questioning herself over something revolting her dh had done to her I'm front of her child. Even now women blame themselves for abuse like that, so many years in. I swear I felt like vomiting on this bloke but had nothing to say. but all the amazing support she got from women who actually believe that sort of abuse can happen within marriage - that it was still abuse and not something she had to tolerate - it was amazing. That was mn feminists in action.

Yeah but no but Lenin one can't name names that would be frightful

oh i quite like the feminist section.
i thought it was a bit strange when i first went there though.[actually-i didnt like it at first]

theres some things that i agree with others about on there and theres some things i dont.

theres some things that i feel very passionate about so go off on a tangent sometimes-

i dont always understand what others are saying on there-and them probably the same with me sometimes aswell.

i dont read feminist books-as i dont understand them-i just talk from what i see in life.

some of the radical stuff i agree on-some i dont.

yep-sometimes its difficult on there but i find it interesting also.

i guess its the same as everything really-
take the good bits and leave the bad bits.

The feminist threads are very bullying with name calling.The most frequent terms used seem to be "antifeminist" or "derailer" "what about the menz" when another poster does not toe the agreed line. I agree with many comments on this thread, that although in theory the feminist board should be really interesting - it is in fact quite oppressive and competitive.

See this is why things won't change, the extreme feminism drips into other thread as well on other forums topics/subjects, beauty, kids, girls/boys, relationships etc etc. I want to make this clear I also think it's the loud minority that makes it so, but it's very, very telling that many on this thread agree, it's obviously an issue.

The fact is the feminism forum is very oppressive IMO, I don't like to read the hardline stuff that tells me as a woman I must be a victim of men, I am not.

People are shouted down in quite a nasty manner on there if they don't tow the part line of the day, it's ironic and hypocrytical, feminism. Plus it spreads from topic to topic. Some don't like this thread here, but posters from feminism hunt in packs, going from topic to topic ramming discussing their opinion on masse if it's a subject that catches their eye.

The huge issue here, obvious from this thread, is it's clear many feel the feminism board could be educational and a good platform to embrace opinion. But many won't use it as they feel it's man bashy, extreme, threatening, victim inducing, with no real scope for discussion as it's one way or the highway. Black or white opinions which a discussion does not make.

That says a lot, it also says a lot that the regular posters on that topic don't see it and wish to engage in or understand any opinion they disagree with. The fact that MANY on this thread are trying to say why they find the topic uncomfortable and are just being ignored and their opinions being denied that an issue could possibly exist again says a lot. Go feminism!

I suspect this is a reaction to the bullying and name calling and strident put-downs meted out on feminist board.It does feel cliquey and attacking. If numerous posters are all saying similar thing, it suggests something is going on.Ideally, Yes I agree people should keep comments on original topics, but sometimes a thread catches a moment.

ELL, with your 'go feminism' remark you are again pushing the idea that regulars on the feminism topic are responsible for representing feminism to MN and bear the responsibility if other people on MN decide to be feminists or not. They aren't. Most of the women on this thread are feminists and so can present an example of positive feminism on MN if they choose to do so. So to everyone on this thread, go for it, go feminism!

Crazycatlady "However I don't see that viewpoint as relevant in the world we live in today (in the UK - obv different in some cultures, but I can't comment on whether these women feel 'oppressed'). Women here can do all the things men can, should they want to."

I thought that until I read the Equality Illusion!

Also I had an insight into how I nearly didn't get my last job (due to being a woman)....

Then he went on to say something very illuminating and TBH if I didn't still socialise with my ex-boss/get on with his so well this wouldn't have come to light so it's pretty interesting.

He said - well when we recruited you - you were the best person for the job by miles - BUT - he said others in the company said - " oh are you sure you want a women/ very male dominated industry/might upset the balance of your team"!

OMG - I said well - thanks X - you have just proved the point to me as to why there should be quotas! Because not only did I have to be the best for the job but I had to be the best by miles and then people questioned his decision because I am female!

I've quoted this from this thread where I stood up to a sexist remark made at a formal dinner which I attended.

These 2 recent real life examples are proof to me that women are not treated equally in this country today.

Perhaps it is the preachy posts that some posters write,as if they are representative of all feminism. There is very much a my way or high way style of posting. As if the other women on Mums Net need converted.

i think you are being over dramatic.

Yeah there are people like that on all sections of mumsnet so please stop insulting the whole sub-forum because of that, it's a flimsy excuse to have a pop.

tabouleh you're giving me a very long Amazon shopping list!

Thanks though. While I find the MN feminism forum offputting and overly radical, it is a topic I am interested in.

Niceshoes, but why does it matter what a few women on the feminist section say? Why should any of that have a bearing on the ability of everyone else to conduct conversations from a feminist perspective all over MN? Why are so many people on here directly saying or implying that they denounce feminism based on the opinions of a few women on the feminist section of MN.

Ultimately, someone's ethical perspective is their individual responsibility, not the responsibility of whoever people believe these regular radfems to be.