to wish that 2 of the 5 most recent AIBUS weren't about "fatties"

[sanielle]

Just feeling a bit fat and sad and pregnant.

Don't really need it. I can understand to a degre why people would be upset about an overweight family (people shouldn't stick their bad eating habits on children).. But the diabetes one really pisses me off. Some of the resoponses on both threads are really hurtful.

I have hidden them, I usually don't bother, but with having had DS2 and not having a lot of time to work out I have some head stuff going on and really don't need to hear about how simple it is to keep the weight off from people who have no fucking idea what they are talking about.

Morloth it is actually very simple. Eat less, move more. See, simples. It's also very fucking difficult when you have had the day from hell and want to take solace in a mug of hot chocolate and your fave biscuit and thought of going for a run makes you want to collapse with exhaustion.

But I have once been the skinny person making similar comments. So I take solace in the fact that all it will take is one bout of depression or bad pregnancy and the people making those idiotic and hurtful comments can kiss their figure goodbye, just like I did.

It took me 7 years to get 75kilos off after 10 years of not eating/working out to exhaustion and still weighing 150kilos I can say that it is not as simple as calories in/calories out for everyone.

YANBU, I just hid them all though

I do understand (and for the record dont post on those threads) but OTOH its very common to see threads slating thin women as unattractive, unfeminine and unsexy. YANBU. its cruel to slag anyone off for their weight.

If it was as simple as that, we wouldn't have the number of people that we do struggling with their weight.

My mum gave me a copy of 'Fat is a Feminist issue' way back in 1978 when it first came out.
I find it incredibly depressing that more than 30 years later, the situation has got worse, with women being some of the most vicious about other women.

YANBU.

Some people just needs someone else to look down on though - it makes them feel better about themselves.

YANBU - it's a bloody joke that mn (in general) get their knickers in a twist about racism/disabalism/-ism - but "fatties" are a total free-for-all.

Hypocrites-r-us.

Simple doesn't mean easy. Not at all.

I am 5 weeks in to a not-diet, and am losing steadily, but I have warned family and friends, if they go " should you be eating that?" then I will eat them. It isn't easy. It is really fucking not-easy at all to change ingrained habits that are 25 years in the making, and to find time to exercise, and to have the actual physical and mental energy to even think about what I am eating rather than just scarfing something that will make me feel better!

Fattiebashers have no understanding, and no empathy. And they make the problem worse.

I think I might be one of MN least wanted, actually, fat, single, SN child, currently unemployed... gosh, I should be eugenicked.

Are you ginger CrunchyFrog? Then you would have the complete set.

YANBU

However, I do one woman who used to say really horrible things about overweight people. She recently had an over active thyroid treated but due to some balls up she didn't get any thyroxine to do the work her now defunct thyroid used to do. She went up from a size 8 to a size 16 in a month.

She is now trying to lose the weight but she has found it slightly harder than the old "eat less, move more" mantra.

Morloth you have done unbelievably well to get that amount of weight off. Now you are the weight you are (are you static at that weight or still going) are you able to consider gastric banding or bypass?

Dammit, no, I am dirty-fair-dyed-purple. Dammit. Can't even fail properly, poor me.

This is the food pyramid as taught in schools and goes quite some way as to explain why so many people struggle with their weight. We've been educated to eat unhealthily and no goverment has the guts to change it.

No I am 75kgs (well a little more with PG/BFing) now. But it took a long time and I had to find out that low calorie/high cardio wasn't the answer for me regardless of what the doctors/dieticians/fat bashers said.

I now eat a high fat/protein/calorie diet and lift weights. Won't be going any lower than 75kgs, I start to look weird and my skin sags.

Morloth, you have done amazingly well to get 75kg off, that's fantastic!

Sorry, miscalculated, 75kg is a very realistic weight to maintain.

I truly belive that for people who struggle with their weight (the ones who can't just cut out chocolate and lose 2 stone or go for a walk each day and drop 10kg or "just cut back a bit" and fit back into their jeans) and who dont seem to "get away with" the same kind of eating or indulgence that their friends do, lower carb is the way to go.

You are in Oz, aren't you? Have you heard of Donna Aston, read any of her books, etc?

"I had to find out that low calorie/high cardio wasn't the answer"

I think doctors sometimes tell people this is the way forward becuase it's generally cheaper (you can go for a run outside)so the person can't come back and say "I cant afford it" plus there's less chance of them "doing it wrong". I agree that weights are far more effective. One of the issues is that very fat people do struggle to do enough cardio to really make a difference. Bear in mind that a 10st womena has to run a marathon to shift 1b of fat.

Also, if you look at how diets have changed as obesity has risen, it does seem to be the high carb, processed food that has risen, rather than just fat content. I guess when we were loping across the plains we were prob surviving on meat and berries/veg that we foraged so the low carb diets are probably closer to a natural diet.

Emergency Caveat- not saying that 10st if fat- that was just an example as that's the "translation" I know for cals per mile of running

Bagged - completely agree. I also blame refined carbs and cheese. Not natural to have cereal for breakfast, white bread sandwiches for lunch and then something like pasta for dinner, yet I keep bloody doing it!

Bagged and tagged, I have a thingy that calculates cals in/ out, I was really surprised how many I would burn off just sitting still, as a fattie. ATM, in order to lose 2lb a week, I can have 1700 calories a day, which seems like loads, and suggests that previous diets have been so blooming hard to stick to because I have been aiming for the Slimfast type 1250 - just not enough, really. Aiming for more than 2lb a week is a mugs game and unsustainable IMO.

On 1700 cals a day (admittedly I am not eating any fat or bread) I am losing about 4 or 5lb a week, but I think that will slow down really soon.

TheCrackFox

I'd never stop laughing at her crackfox. Never.

oh between teh fatties threads, the rape is ok if in a marriage posts and the general if your on benefits your a sponging poncetypes threads MN is a great place to be just lately