MN is quite happy to let innacurate thread titles be posted that could promote discrimination against disabled children and their famillies

[wasuup3000]

Title say's it all.

I don't think the thread is intended to request additional censorship or pulling of threads is it ( I am not sure - my view isn't quite the same as the OPs)

Isn't it asking that threads that would cause as much offense as say " black people are more likely to steal" should be treated similarly.

So if you think that thread and the offense it would cause is fair play then fair enough. But if you think it would be hideous both because of the offense it would cause and the bad light in which it shows mumsnet if you google and find that as a thread then there should be some equality of action.

But then I may be misquoting the OP

Even saw someone suggest people were bullying the trolls the other day...had to laugh.

i feel that if people are saying that a thread or what someone is saying is offensive-then it is offensive.
by this being ignored its like saying"you dont matter".

also-i still have a gut feeling that the op on the other thread has some kind of "condition"-so i also think its wrong that that thread was able to carry on for this reason aswell.

i feel that it wasnt pulled as it made "good reading"-in other words-"oh this might draw a crowd-lets keep it up"

this is all very wrong.

Pagwatch expressed it beautifully...

Good God Breton, you truly are a cock of the highest order.

If I were to print your thread with all it's ill informed, ignorant comments, I wouldn't wipe my arse with it.

A sharp tongue is no indication of a keen mind.

Dont defend disablist comments with 'freedom of speech' or 'censorship' ffs.

Just because you can say something, doesnt mean you should.

Censorship only comes into play if someone has something meaningful to say.

So i assume people defending the thread, thought that Bretton had something reasonable to say?

Riven - That's a little unfair. I think whar TSH is saying 'maybe it's easy for me to take this view as I'm not currently effected, I might find it harder if I was' .

That isn't the same as 'This doesn't effect me, so I don't care'.

Interesting that MN have deleted Bretton's comments about 'just like mummy' when referring to disabled people.

But have let a whole thread stand with his views that parents are responsible for their child's disability.

I wonder if adopting the broken record technique would be effective here.

So, when one of these offensive posts appears some of you lovely ladies with DC with SN come and post to explain why what is being said is wrong (even though in many cases it is very obvious).

But then you keep repeating your post and not engaging?

I can understand why you don't want to hide these threads because you are standing up for your DC but these posters are putting you through the ringer - time wise and emotionally. .

It is like having someone screaming abuse at you through your front door but instead of saying your piece and closing the door you are remaining arguing all day against someone whose mind won't be changed.

I suppose my analogy would be you make a tape recording of your piece and play it out through your letterbox!

It is brilliant that you have the energy to stand up to these posters and your presence her on MN informs the sypathetic majority.

Can I ask a question - I know some people have said they are aware that they may be using the wrong phrases/terminology around SN etc - could we organise do you think a sort of Q&A with some of you ladies - but not a "live" one. So Q's would be pre-vetted by MN.

So for example I would ask - I see someone with a DC in a wheelchair and I want to make sure that I am not stareing but somehow show that I am supportive. Should I just engage in general chit chat - should I ask how old the DC is?

I would hope that this Q&A would inform lots of us to be more aware/help attack horrible posts and be a permanent MN resource.

Theshrieking, i realise why Bretton started the thread in AIBU. What im not sure about, is whether the people defending the thread think his comments were reasonable.

Do you not find his assumption that your DD has has been referred to a psych because of your bad parenting, even the slightest bit offensive?

Claw3 - Of course it's offensive! The fact that something is offensive doesn't mean that it should be pulled though. It doesn't even necessarily mean it is wrong either.

Theshreiking - "I think he/she mentioned that environmental, societal issues and so on may also be implicated in the case of a child with adhd"

No, he said that ADHD does not exist and that bad parenting was the cause of ADHD.

The shrieking ADHD is a recognised condition. You are saying effectively saying that people in wheelchairs can't walk, what a load of nonsense!
Yes Pagwatch thats a good way of putting it.

( in fairness they have also left the comments where he is called a total wanker. I assume this is in the spirit of fair comment )

TSH. I agree with that to a certain extent.

It does go back to the fact that there are ways to have that conversation. But starting a nasty thread is not fair and reasonable discussion. It is not even the knock about/ heated progression of a discussion. It is just an attempt to be unpleasant.

What he did was make revolting statements and then trawled for any shit he could find to try and back that up.
The fact that he then came on here and started again just proved that that was always his intent.

But I agree that intent is always going to be hard to evidence.
It is just too simplistic (IMO)to say that anyone who wants to state any shit should be allowed to do so because they may, somewhere have an element of a point.
But again. I don't want extra censorship so it is down to where this line is usually drawn and making sure it is the same on , say, race as it is on SN and disability.

I like the freedoms on MN.

I like that I can construct a post talking about how some OPs are total cunts and it stands.

I maintain thatthis issue is not about extra censorship but equality of censorship.
And for me , it is also a little aboutthe mainsteam board being too wary of getting involved.

EVERY injustice is only challenged when those unaffected care to become involved

Thecoalition, they is offensive and there is discrimination. The thread was discrimination, thats what i object to.

there not they!

I am going to be 'having a dream' in a minute..

I must go and see to my children

"in fairness they have also left the comments where he is called a total wanker. I assume this is in the spirit of fair comment"

The difference being, he/she can ask for those comments to be deleted and they will be deleted.

Here you go then shrieky this is the attitude you are going to have to learn to live with perhaps
quoted from katiestar
why is it so easy to predict which parents the supposedly- adhd kids belong to ?