to think that the catholic church are bloody immoral and need to be made answerable to the shit they seem to get away with?

[cupcakesandbunting]

I am referring to this; www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11061296

and yes, I am totally aware that the police and government are to blame too but we expect governments and to an extent police, to be corrupt.

I am saying this as a RC too. I am fucking shocked at the amount of revolting crap that the church seem to get away with. Covering up paedophiles/abusers, bombers and who knows what else.

Why are they never made accountable?

"God I love this site."

Don't invoke god, he hates women, especially you hussies with tongues:

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

I'm talking about 6 yrs olds being told you can marry a person of the same sex & have children..(via books in primary schools)..I'm talking about children who are too young to know what heterosexual relationships are about let alone homosexual ones....primary age children should not have homosexual propaganda thrust upon them..

if you get to 18 and want to shack up with a person of the same sex...good luck to ya...you're old enough to have made up your own mind.

Couldn't agree more. re: rimming, that is.

"Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet."

I don't know if I agree. It does not seem to be keeping DaftPunk quiet, more's the pity.

So you're against sex education of any kind till you're 18? Or just the kind you don't like? Ladies touching each other's tuppences; big, hairy men kissing with tongues and shopping together for furnishings. It's fucking disgusting, that's what it is, the filthy pooves!!!!!!

"...it is a telling fact that, the world over, the vast majority of children follow the religion of their parents rather than any of the other available religions."

Richard Dawkins

In case anyone on here doesn't realize it, daftpunk is an active supporter of the BNP and openly hoped for greater BNP representation at the last election. If you choose to debate with her, you need to know the sort of person you are debating with.

Oh Daft punk the books say all that...because they can get married! and have children.

And I believe the catholic church is no longer allowed to stop adopting to them as well.

Oh seeker, we know. Its fun. Like ripping up pillows.. a chance to vent at a mostly inanimate object.

Why am I not surprised that DP has come wading in here defending what to most right-thinking people is a morally bankrupt organistaion - she's a BNP supporter and Catholics have a track record of supporting Facist organisations e.g. the Third Reich, the Nationalists in the Spanish Civil War

Now she's trying to turn the debate into one about homosexuality - a smokescreen to attempt to divert the debate away from the fact that the Catholic Church is predatory, imhumane and crimminal.

Why do you contiue to debate with this vacumn head?

Can't we have a debate about this issue and just ignore this idiot?

Hey I think I found a picture of daftpunk:

daftpunk

It's not really a debate, WetAugust; this is rather more like a relaxing game of Whack-a-Mole...

"You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend"

Richard Jeni

Propaganda? Really? Like here you mean

And I think 6 yr olds are perfectly old enough to understand that people love one another.

Honestly. I don't get it. Just what do you think will happen? Will everyone become gay over the next twenty years as all our kids go through schools with equality policies?

I still don't get it.

evidence please for 'Catholics have a track record of supporting Facist organisations e.g. the Third Reich, the Nationalists in the Spanish Civil War'

the catholic church is not the same as catholics

i could just as easily say, the british people have a track record for supporting bloodthirsty expeditions into other countries for the purpose of loot, plunder and cultuural genocide

I'm quite happy for my children to receive sex education at secondary school...a heterosexual sex education that briefly describes other sexual practices.

We are not homophobic, we tolerate everyone....it's important that older children (15ish) are made aware of other practices.

Switching off....gotta get some sleep

x

Excellent article on the new vogue for anti-catholicism
www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/9355/
I love Spiked.

i am happy to discuss posters who want to make assertions about the history and activities of the catholic church

i have a real problem with generalisations about catholics

for example i don't support fascism, nor does or has any one i know, in fact much of my family were active in antifascist resistance movements

but, we are catholic

thus all nazi loving fascists apparently

Daftpunk - what is your opinion on the cover-up of the sexual abuse of children by high ranking members of the Church? How has it affected your view of the Church? Because we know, you and I, that the Catholic church is about authority. The teachings you are espousing are supported by the authority of the Church. Has your faith in that authority been shaken by the revelations about the abuse cover up? Because mine has.

whoops
www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/9355/

I don't see the point in going back and listing all load of history. You cannot hold a man responsible for what his ancestors did.

The Catholic Church and other Religions do enough terrible things today that they don't need to borrow attrocities from the past.

Chibi - the catholic church is not the same as catholics

You are so wrong.

As long as simple-minded people continue to support an organisation that organisation will continue to exist. If they all walk away the organisation fails.

You can apply that to shopping at Tescos or to the Catholic Church.

OK - you may be left with a few die-hards holed up in the VC but with no community base of active menebrs the organisation is totally emasculated and unable to do any further harm.

So self-professed Catholics are just as much to blame for the actions of the organisation that they chose to support as the Church hierachy is.

Or does denial of that fact help you sleep at night?

i am just as resposible for child abuse as you are for the iraq qar

renounced your citizenship yet?

how do you sleep at night knowing that you personally are responsible for that atrocity?

"evidence please for 'Catholics have a track record of supporting Facist organisations e.g. the Third Reich, the Nationalists in the Spanish Civil War'"

Archbishop Konrad Gröber of Freiburg was known as the ?Brown Bishop? because he was such an enthusiastic supporter of the Nazis. In 1933, he became a ?sponsoring member? of the SS. After the war, however, he claimed to have been such an opponent of the Nazis that they had planned to crucify him on the door for the Freiburg Cathedral.

Bishop Wilhlem Berning of Osnabrück sat with the Deutsche Christen Reichsbishop in the Prussian State Council from 1933 to 1945, a clear signal of support for the Nazi regime.

Cardinal Bertram also had some affinity for the Nazis. In 1933, for example, he refused to intervene on behalf of Jewish merchants who were the targets of Nazi boycotts, saying that they were a group ?which has no very close bond with the church.?

Bishop Buchberger of Regensburg called Nazi racism directed at Jews ?justified self-defense? in the face of ?overly powerful Jewish capital.?

Bishop Hilfrich of Limburg said that they true Christian religion ?made its way not from the Jews but in spite of them.?

"After April 7, 1933, civil servants in Germany were required to prove that they were not Jews. Because births had been registered by the state only since 1874, the church was called upon to provide many records. The Catholic church cooperated right up to the end of the war. Likewise, after the 1935 Nüremberg laws that forbade marriage between Aryans and non-Aryans, most Catholic priests did not perform such ceremonies, even though the number of Jewish conversions to Catholicism was accelerating because of the persecution. "

And Franco?

www.iiipublishing.com/franco.htm

"the catholic church is not the same as catholics"

No, but to be a catholic you HAVE TO JOIN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. It's the very definition of a catholic.

"i could just as easily say, the british people have a track record for supporting bloodthirsty expeditions into other countries for the purpose of loot, plunder and cultuural genocide"

You could, yes, but you'd have to ignore my previous post on the matter regarding choice and accident of birth.....

Oh, and I really must ask: how does one renounce their citizenship exactly?

It's more complicated than walking away from an organisation, because it involves a religious faith. And I know from experience that there is no point trying to explain that. It is irrational and inexplicable, but it is there. I cannot not believe. I have questioned most of my life, and I can't not believe. And my faith, even though I disagree with church on so many things, even though I am horrified at what has gone on, is a Catholic faith. I don't know if I can stay active in the church. And I don't know if I can ever leave it behind.

No complacent denial and easy sleeping here. But it isn't like Tesco. Not to me.

Wrong again Chibi

I didn't support Operation Telic. The funding for that was taken by statutory law from my salary - I am in no way actively supporting that fiasco.

Every penny that you put into a collection box supports the Catholic Church. You are consciously complicit in providing the means for that organisation to continue it immoral and crimminal activities. You are in your own little way personally responsible.

I sleep fine at night - thanks for asking.