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to think that the catholic church are bloody immoral and need to be made answerable to the shit they seem to get away with?

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cupcakesandbunting · 24/08/2010 13:35

I am referring to this; www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11061296

and yes, I am totally aware that the police and government are to blame too but we expect governments and to an extent police, to be corrupt.

I am saying this as a RC too. I am fucking shocked at the amount of revolting crap that the church seem to get away with. Covering up paedophiles/abusers, bombers and who knows what else.

Why are they never made accountable?

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noddyholder · 29/08/2010 20:18

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daftpunk · 29/08/2010 20:30

NH...I've just reported your post.

I am not homophobic or racist, and I never said I didn't want my children educated alongside those with special needs.

You are deliberately trying to stir up trouble for me, just like you always do.

My political opinions are just that...political. I would never use vile language about a posters parents. My parents have nothing do to with MN fgs.

My father is 82 and in very ill health, to read those vile comments made me extremely upset. the fact that the poster seems to be enjoying it is just making it worse.

mathanxiety · 29/08/2010 20:32

Hi Snobear, I have also reported your post. It's one thing to disagree with someone, which everyone is welcome to do, including you, but your post bypassed debate entirely.

noddyholder · 29/08/2010 20:35

I am not going to continue this but you did and you know you did and playing the victim when you are wrong is classic you.Nice to see you stuck to your plan not to post anywhere bar music.You insult everyone and then when challenged play the poor me card.

noddyholder · 29/08/2010 20:40

btw stirring up trouble is bs as you did say those things and it is all on here for all to see.If you hadn't said them and I was making it up that would be stirring up trouble.

Snobear4000 · 29/08/2010 20:53

Of course, nobody who supports the BNP could be a racist.

Poor daddy. My dad had a stroke and my mum is dead but I don't use them as an excuse to be a shit-stirring right-wing antagonist.

Quattrocento · 29/08/2010 20:56

This is a legitimate topic for debate and discussion and I'd be interested to hear from practising catholics about steps taken to deal with this, both in terms of atonement for the past and prevention of child abuse within existing structures

Pity the thread's gone a bit pear-shaped - hopefully we can get back to a sensible discussion

FreddoBaggyMac · 29/08/2010 21:07

Agree Quattro! Just have to say that Snobear your posts really are going too far and I think the sensible thing would be to leave or get back on topic.

Daftpunk, I'll say a prayer for your dad.

Quattro, I am a practising Catholic! Have put loads of points on that I've wanted answered too but they're just being ignored in favour of the recent developments SadThe current Pope has recently said that he wants to bring all of this out into the open. I suppose it is inevitable (and probably right!) that the Church as a whole is going to be abused as a result... I think it's just something that has to be gone through and hopefully there will be a bright light at the end of the tunnel!

seeker · 29/08/2010 23:04

"I am not homophobic or racist, and I never said I didn't want my children educated alongside those with special needs."

Yes you are, on both counts, and yes you did.

You are an active supporter of the BNP who openly stated that you want greater BNP representation in the governance of this country.

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 29/08/2010 23:12

"I never said I didn't want my children educated alongside those with special needs"

Was it a different daftpunk who started this thread then? Confused

always helpful, me.

noddyholder · 29/08/2010 23:19

Thank you its not just me then!

mathanxiety · 30/08/2010 00:02
Snobear4000 · 30/08/2010 00:09

That's good that the abuser priest in Mathanxiety's post was removed from duty.

Now imagine if a schoolteacher or nursery worker or doctor in a children's hospital had been found to be abusing kids. And that person's total punishment was to be "removed from duty".

Would that be enough?

I look forward to the day when the RCC immediately reports abusive priests to the police for a proper criminal investigation, the moment they are implicated in child abuse. Just like any other employer would.

I am hopeful that it will happen, but I will not be holding my breath either.

daftpunk · 30/08/2010 00:57

WR, Mathanxiety, FBM

Thank you.

X

Snobear4000 · 30/08/2010 01:13

Ewwww... a kiss from the SS. You better wipe your cheek with dettol.

mathanxiety · 30/08/2010 04:59

That's 'removed from duties where he would have any interaction with the community,' not 'removed from duty' (= he is now gardening/ cleaning toilets in a low security environment run by his order but not free to leave the premises) -- he will be defrocked in due course, and will have to try to find a job somehow or try to live on welfare. Sadly, the criminal statute of limitations (a matter of the law of the land, nothing to do with the Church) has run and no criminal prosecution will be possible unless the law is changed.

Snobear, it is in extremely bad taste to toss around the term 'SS' in a trivial and casual manner.

seeker · 30/08/2010 05:47

AM I alone in seeing an interestiung parallel here?

Ranks being closed around a fellow Catholic, regardless of that person's previous attitudes or behaviour?

mathanxiety · 30/08/2010 06:11

Or could it be just people speaking up on behalf of a poster's right to post, no matter how universally deplored her views may have been on other threads, and her right not to be singled out for personal attacks here? I think Catholics have occasionally done that in RL.

The poster in question remains a member of MN, apparently, and seems to be intent on staying here. Until and unless she gets booted off by MNHQ, she has a right to post, within the rules. It remains the prerogative of MNHQ to allow her to continue posting.

Or maybe it's because it's a pity to see stuff dragged up from other threads that doesn't seem to have anything to do with the topic on hand? Surely here on MN what happens on one thread stays on that thread? That was my understanding of the rules anyhow.

seeker · 30/08/2010 06:47

Daftpunk's clearly stated personal beliefs are so completely reprehensible that I believe it is right for them to be dtailed here.I would not like other Catholic posters who may not be aware of her background to come to her aid without being fully aware of what she is. Particularly as she has frequently said that her beliefs are informed by her Catholic faith, and she frequently sets herself up as a defender of Catholicism.

Her views are not those of any other Catholic I know, and I would not like the unwary to be duped into aligning themselves with her.

FreddoBaggyMac · 30/08/2010 07:59

Seeker, I hope you are not referring to me when you are mentioning 'Closing ranks'... Confused. Personally, by not choosing to join the DPbasher club I'm deciding to rely on my own judgement and not just agreeing with what everyone else is saying about her. If she was presenting the atheist view I would feel exactly the same. I have seen nothing to say that she is racist or anything else negative and I am therefore not going to accuse her of being so just because it's the 'trendy' thing to do on this thread Grin.

The thread linked to may have been worded unfortunately, but I do not get from it that she has anything against children with special needs, just that perhaps her own child might get a poorer education in a class with a lot of SN children. That might show a lack of understanding of what SN means but I think that's all. I think the comments made, and the mocking of her father's illness is horrible... not something I would ever do to anyone. And that's all I will say about it!

Snobear: ''I look forward to the day when the RCC immediately reports abusive priests to the police for a proper criminal investigation, the moment they are implicated in child abuse. Just like any other employer would.''

That is exactly what happens now! In my previous Parish a Priest had an allegation made agains him and was immediately (ie. within hours) removed from his duties and forbidden to make contact with any members of the parish or work as a Priest anywhere until the criminal investigation was completed (this often takes several years). He was found to be guilty, sent to prison and will obviously not work as a priest or anything similar ever again. That is the standard procedure NOW... so what more do you want from the Catholic Church??

seeker · 30/08/2010 08:17

FBM - yes, you are one of the people who I feel may be unaware of daftpunk's history. She is a self confessed supporter of the BNP, and has posted many hateful racist and homophobic comments in the past. Often justifying her views by saying that she holds them because she is a Catholic.

You do not, I assure you, want to be associated with her in any way.

FreddoBaggyMac · 30/08/2010 08:23

I know absolutely nothing about the BNP and have read nothing racist or homophobic from DP. Also, I am not here to judge her or to be associated with her... I'm here to be Catholic Grin.

claig · 30/08/2010 08:27

the lynch mob that circles around daftpunk is unpleasant. They are clamouring to stone her.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

The Catholic chirch has been guilty of great crimes, but it has also done good things. Reading some of the posts, it is apparent that there is a great deal of hatred for all faiths. Where does this come from? Where do the nasty comments and personal attacks come from? Is it the devil?

seeker · 30/08/2010 08:44

Amazed that anyone could have lived in this country over the past year and "know absolutely nothing" about the BNP. I suggest you inform yourself as soon as possible.

I am not part of a lynch mob. I do not wish to stone anyone. I just do not want people to be duped.

FreddoBaggyMac · 30/08/2010 08:51

Seeker, I know what everyone says about the BNP and have never felt the need to inform myself about them as they don't sound like a party I would vote for. I'm not that interested in politics tbh as it seems to me that any party with a chance of gaining power is virtually identical to any other party with a chance of gaining power... My main interest is in their pro-life policies, and any party that would allow a child to be murdered at 24 weeks is pretty evil imo so they're all as bad as each other.
Don't actually know anything about the BNP's pro/ anti life policies so you are probably right Seeker, I should look into it.