to think a MN kicking is deserved here

[schoolpanic]

dh just tweeted these vile t shirts (in ourtraged horror, not amusement)

www.jamrags.com/viewDetail.php?proid=79&color=Black

www.jamrags.com/viewDetail.php?proid=70&color=Navy

and yes, they're meant to be offensive. but as a humourless feminist and proud of it i think we should object. strongly.

but how!?

I think they way to get these guys is to let their hosting company know that the products that Jamrags, their client is selling, are an incitement to hatred, and are racist - which of course is illegal.

Usually hosting companies have legal liability about the content of the content hosted on their own servers, and unless of course jamrags host their own site, it might be worth pointing out to the hosting company about the nature of the site their hosting.

Jamrags might host their own site in which case the ISP may have some liability.

Your own ISP could be alerted as to the hateful and inflammatory content of this website and it could be blacklisted.

The advertising authority is also someone to register your complaint with.

they are awful but asa former fashion student I imagine they are being designed by young kids who knownothing about the real world :(

piglet, those who wear them are usually graphic designers who live in Brixton.

...or 14 yo Viz readers who smuggle them out under their H&M hoodies so their mums don't see

Well, I laughed. Wouldn't buy one, but think people are entitled to say/do what they want even if other people find it offensive. Tbh, I don't think they are meant to be taken seriously. As was said earlier, there are more important things to worry about going on in the world.
Think you all need to chill, because you are giving them tons of publicity and the exact reaction that they want

I read the OP expecting to laugh when I looked at the link as I am generally pretty difficult to offend, but these t shirts are unbelievable. They are utterly, utterly vile. Surely some of them are "inciting racial hatred" which I believe is a criminal offence these days. There is NOTHING funny about them KarmaBeliever. If you think these t shirts are funny - there is something wrong with you!

I have to admit - I have just looked at the rest of the range - I did laugh at the one which says "my other ride is your mum" but that's just me being juvenile. The rest are almost universally abhorrent.

Well the one about heroin being a bit moreish did make me chuckle. On the whole I think slogan clothing is infantile, but in a free and democratic society people should be free to say what they want (even if they opinions that I don't like). Something should only be banned if it causes physical harm to another person. Also, if someone is taking these seriously, then banning it doesn't make their opinions go away. I would prefer to know what someone thinks. If you saw someone wearing one of these you would think 'knuckle head' and that would be that.

I am more worried about women being stoned and executed to get overly riled about a t shirt

The only remotely funny one is the heroin being moreish one

and they nicked that off Peep Show (where it was much much funnier)

Wasn't that crack, SHJ?

"The only remotely funny one is the heroin being moreish one

and they nicked that off Peep Show (where it was much much funnier)"

I'd agree, not funny and peep show much funnier. But it's interesting that you have chosen to praise a show which is fairly close to the bone and deals with issues which if we were to start down a road of banning offensive "comedy" which appalls a selection of the public could well lead to shows like peep show being next in the firing line.
I'm not mad on slogan t-shirts as it is, they seem to be mostly for people who have no sense of humour of their own and think that life is one big WKD ad. however would agree with those above, we have a right to be offended by such articles but we have no right to not be offended ever.

What kind of people would buy, and worse, wear this crap?

Yeah agree, easy to see what kind of person it is when you see them wearing it, and....they'd probably get a punch from someone anyway...lol.

it was crack tethers

I'm not offended by Peep Show

but there's something for just about everyone in those t shirts

(they are an Equal Opportunities Offender)

"I'm not offended by Peep Show"

Neither am I, my point was that I'm sure there are plenty who are.
And they derive jokes from many things which people could claim are equally offensive as these shirts if people are looking to ban things which they find offensive.
Now most people will recognise that good satire and comedy will mostly makes jokes based on the tabboo subject i.e. race/rape/sexism/paedophilia rather than jokes about them.
SO if you liked brass eye and their paedogeddon you'll argue that the jokes were based on paedohilia and the media reaction rather than being jokes about paedophilia itself and finding paedophilia inherently funny. If you hated it then you will argue that it was simply crass jokes at the expense of a sensitive subject and was disgusting.
The same goes for Peep Show (jokes about marks rape, super-hans drug problems, Jeremy essentially becoming a rent-boy etc) or the office (the jokes based on Brents inability to connect with people of other races etc.) and essentially these t-shirts as well.
Just picking one from the page linked "I'm not racist. Racism is a crime and crime is for black people"
people who will want to defend it will claim it is a satirical slant on the old phrase "I'm not racist most of my best friends are x,y & z" which is almost always an oxymoron as the phrase in itself tends to reveal the speakers own prejudices as they seek to deny them, as does the slogan on the t-shirt.
those that hate it will condemn it as racist non-humour which tries to give the appearance of satire or wit but is truely just thinly veiled hate speak.

No it's not a fine line between this and Peep Show etc.

Jokes about black people being criminals are way past the bounds of decency. Likewise jokes about rape.

no-one who is ignorant enough to wear one of these will have the ability to say "it is a satirical slant on..." let alone the inclination

They are shit tshirts designed by and aimed at sad sexless men.

I can't imagine they actually sell many of them.

Don't get your knickers in a twist about it.

but that's the point gothanne.
peep show has made jokes based on rape.They revolved a whole episode around mark being raped by a woman ( I know legally a woman can't rape a man and that's kind of what the characters argued mark saying "it wasn't rape..i think etc) but it most certainly used a sexual assault as a device for humour. shows like brass eye have done whole episodes based purely on race and paedophilia.It examined the medias treatment of race regarding crime and then had a black man as a talking head apologising once for his race as a while having just watched a cctv recording of an obviously white person in black-face committ a crime. Once again people who enjoyed it and got it in a satirical way will say that it is making a nonsence of the idea that it is only black people who committ crime, but like it or not there is no denying that it has used black people = criminals as the starting point for the humour and most likely many racists enjoyed it on a non-satirical level thinking it endorced their views.
My only point is if you look to ban or censor these things then surely it will only reduce further and further.
Not so much that things like brass eye might be banned, but producers and networks might be afraid to take a risk on anything that could be considered close to the bone in the future.
So I'm not saying that it's objectively a fine line, I'm saying that the line is so subjective that once you look to ban something like this because it crosses one groups subjective line where does it end? DO we all have a right to have our own interpretations of decency enforced? especially when this is a private company.

apologising once and for all for his race as a whole while having just watched..

mayorquimby has just said everything I was about to post.

Grrr.

too slow

I generally have a bit of a black sense of humour, but these are way, way over the top, and not one little bit funny

@SpringHeeledJack.

This is part of the problem, they are NOT an equal opportunities offender. They are picking on the most obvious and frequent targets. I will go back on the site and try to find the t-shirts aimed at white heterosexual men. Bet I won't find one.

I'm really surprised that they've put their address on their website.

I'm thinking maybe a turd through the letter box.

Nope didn't find any. Thought as much. Non-white people, the disabled, Lesbians, kids, and women but no white hetero men.

I remember when people used to defend Bernard Manning saying he was an equal opps offender and I only ever recall him making jokes about women and Asians. Funnily one group who always seemed to escape his equal opps offending were people like himself,white hetero men.

In any case I wouldn't complain, these type of companies exist for confrontation and I'd be surprised if they made any money. Who would risk wearing a t-shirt claiming to be a peado or saying they hate Muslims unless they had a death wish?

The site was probably set up by a couple of 20something designers for a laugh who are dumb enough to think they're being 'out-there' and controversial but really they are just a bunch of Shoreditch (that's where the companies based) Nathan Barley wannabees. Unfortunately I know the type, they think saying 'cunt' a lot and dressing like a T4 presenter makes them really cool and crazy but really they're the type you snigger at when they come into the pub with their mates, talking loud about infantile crap.