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To be shocked at the swimwear section on this morning today??

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mosschops30 · 05/08/2010 12:20

John Scott was back because he likes dressing 'curvy' ladeez!

They had people on who are doing some sort of pageant, talking about how they were bullied for their weight issues in school and how this is giving them confidence.

He showed swimsuits that 'take 10lbs of you' swimsuits that 'go up to a size 32' and ways to drape a sarong to show off your 'curves'

AIBU in thinking that theres a difference in being curvy and being clinially obese?????
Yes its fine to not be a size 8, yes its fine to enjoy your food, yes its fine to wear swimwear whatever age or size you are ....... but calling these ladies 'curvy' One of them was clearly clinically obese, and he was celebrating the fact that these women could wear swimwear and embrace their bodies.

Sorry but you can embrace your body as much as you like, but being that weight is not healthy, its just as bad as putting super skinny size 0 models on there are saying how great they look in swimwear

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FindingMyMojo · 05/08/2010 12:58

Don't you think that perhaps the reason some obese people are as big as they are is because of an element of self-loathing? So how is what you are suggesting actually going to be helpful to anyone?

Smokers know they shouldn't smoke.
Fat people generally want to be slimmer, or know they should be slimmer.

All the while, the smokers & the fat people are people with feelings, and people living their lives in the BODIES they have - whatever shape their bodies are in, they still deserve to be loved, not to be judged and to wear swimsuits without being told "OI YOUR'RE FAT AND ITS BAD FOR YOU."

themildmanneredjanitor · 05/08/2010 12:59

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MovingBeds · 05/08/2010 12:59

My friend has done just that and she was very large (and very unhappy) but she just started going swimming an hour a day and she looks great now. I don't know how she got the guts to wear a costume etc, not that I would ever judge her, but I feel that self conscious myself i coudln't do it. It is bad enough taking the children swimming

MovingBeds · 05/08/2010 13:00

Did you know that some fat people smoke?

nowherewoman · 05/08/2010 13:01

Also tbh it's just plain rude to tell someone they're obese, are you really that bad mannered and unimaginative that the only thing you can think about is someone's appearance?

BunnyLebowski · 05/08/2010 13:02

I'm with you mosschops.

I hate the misappropriation of the word curvy.

Curvy means having boobs, hips and a bum but a defined waist. It does not mean having rippling rolls of flab.

Marilyn Monroe was curvy. Beth Ditto is not.

ledodgy · 05/08/2010 13:02

Oh FFS This morning is a daytime TV program some of their viewers will be women who are overweight they are showing things many of their viewers will want to see. I think you are reading too much into this. Perhaps you should switch off your television set and go and do something less boring instead.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 05/08/2010 13:02

"rippling rolls of flab"..another sensitive post there.

CerealOffender · 05/08/2010 13:04

beth ditto is a hell of a lot more sorted than marilyn monro ever was. IT DOESN@T MATTER A DAM.

ProfessorLaytonIsMyLoveSlave · 05/08/2010 13:04

I consistently lose weight when I buy nice, good-quality clothes that fit me and flatter me. Because then I don't feel hopelessly disgustingly fat and out of control and that there's no hope, I feel like a moderately attractive person who looks good in what she's wearing and is in control -- and, yes, who needs to lose some weight, but can do that.

Which then does means that a couple of months later I need more nice, good-quality clothes in a lower size, admittedly.

And if you want these clinically obese women (who have already explained how they are low in confidence because of their weight) to take some exercise then giving them a swimsuit and telling them it is flattering or takes ten pounds off them is far more likely to get them to their local pool than saying "You're clinically obese and fat; there's no point my brushing over that as it's obvious to everyone who looks at you. Here's a swimsuit."

MovingBeds · 05/08/2010 13:05

Curvy

adjective

Having a full, voluptuous figure: buxom, curvaceous, shapely, well-developed

Dizzydollybird · 05/08/2010 13:05

From what you're saying OP, curvy just means enormous knockers

Absolutely agree that over and under weight issues should be acknowledged and addressed in context, but this was a lighthearted look at swimsuits FFS and I'm sure John Scott wasn't advocating being a lardo, he was helping people (like me) feel less of a social pariah.

nowherewoman · 05/08/2010 13:07

So what's wrong with being polite and kind to people, even if they are fat or obese? Does this give you the right to be rude to them and comment on their appearance?

CerealOffender · 05/08/2010 13:07

curvy = celeb who only manages to starve themselves down to a size 8

FunnyLittleFrog · 05/08/2010 13:09

It does matter that increasingly as a society we are normalising obesity. Clothes are getting bigger, food portions are getting bigger, restaurant seats are getting bigger... all these features consipre to make us think it's OK to be big when, from a health point of view (forget about appearance) it's not good.

BalloonSlayer · 05/08/2010 13:14

This may have been said but I very much doubt that any woman who is size 32 suffers from the delusion that she is merely curvy.

I would imagine if you are very large you might want to take some exercise in an attempt to be more healthy. I have seen people post on here that they would like to go swimming but can't because they feel as if they are grotesque. How nice that there can be an item on how you can look good whatever size you are in a swimming costume. I hope it has encouraged a few people.

nowherewoman · 05/08/2010 13:15

No-one I know thinks it's ok to be big. But fat people have to wear clothes and sit down and maybe even swim.

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 05/08/2010 13:17

So Mosschops what should he have said?

'And for all you fatties who need to shift a few stone, these are the swimsuits that will acommodate your bulk'?

Clearly you have NO idea how it feels to have a weight problem - perhaps you have gained weight and lost it again, I don't know - but that is not the same as having a weight problem.

BalloonSlayer · 05/08/2010 13:20

"Marilyn Monroe was curvy. Beth Ditto is not."

Surely curvy means that you have curves on your body, not that they are curves deemed as appropriate by the Curve Police. Someone without a waist or who is flat-chested could be called "not curvy" but they do not have to be underweight. There is the athletic build, which is not curvy but not over or underweight. (Princess Diana was an example of a non-athlete with an athletic build.)

Beth Ditto may not have a waist that meets Curve Police specifications but she has a lot of curves.

sanielle · 05/08/2010 13:23

Actually right or wrong. beinng overwight in this country is normal and until it isn't we and the rest of the fatties will have our sizable share of telly merchandinsing. I for one do not feel inspired to buy a swimsuit that has been sold to me as for a "larger lady" it has connataions. If they want my money they will continue to say curvy.. even if all my curves are situated round my middle!

PatsyStone · 05/08/2010 13:29

Yanbu about the use of the word curvy. It annoys me too, as much as it annoys me when people think that those of us who are under a size 10 are starving toothpicks! I wear a size 8, sometimes a 6 (probably due to bloody vanity sizing) and I have curves. Can't see a problem with showing some swimsuits for larger women though.

I was bigger for a few years, so I do know what it is like to have weight and food issues and normalising it and burying our heads in the sand does us no good healthwise.

LadyBiscuit · 05/08/2010 13:34

at considering yourself curvy when you're a 6-8

OP - I think you have ishoooooos. I bet you're a size 10 or under too aren't you? It's always people who are obsessed with weight who get annoyed at this sort of thing. Everyone I know who is clinically obese calls themselves fat but I'm not sure they'd appreciate being called that on national telly.

But then if you do willingly watch programmes like This Morning, you're asking to be annoyed. Turn the crap off

BunnyLebowski · 05/08/2010 13:34

But that's the point BallonSlayer. Until recent years the word curvy would suggest a curvaceous woman with a healthy body weight.

And you can all you like but I don't think many woman are sitting at home wishing they looked like Beth Ditto.

Society should not be normalising obesity and the numerous health risks that go with it.

Another phrase that irritates me is the use of 'real woman' for describing larger women. As if women of healthy height/body shape are not real women.

Smacks of self delusion to me.

CerealOffender · 05/08/2010 13:36

i don't think women should be sitting at home wishing they looked like anyone tbh. they should be getting on with their lives.

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mosschops30 · 05/08/2010 13:36

at this point I cant even be arsed with my own thread

yes people should be called fat or obese if they are, same as a smoker should be called a smoker and a drug addict should be called a drug addict and an alcoholic an alcoholic.

I dont know why obese people feel the need to be sheltered from their obesity because if anyone mentions it it upsets them more.

Im hiding thread now, so carry on as you wish

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