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Am I being unreasonable to not smack my son when he throws a tantrum and lashes out at me?

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teaandcakeplease · 24/07/2010 20:18

I am a mumsnet regular, however I've never started a topic in AIBU, so please be gentle with me but I genuinely need to know if I am being unreasonable.

Bit of background: I have 2 children aged almost 3 and 18 months. My husband left me for a 21 yr old in October 2009 (short version of this, long one in relationships somewhere ). So I am a single parent bringing up 2 DCs on my own.

I do not have stairs as I live in a flat, so rather than a naughty step, my DD gets sent to stand by the front door when she behaves appallingly. This seems to work quite well for her and then after a few minutes I have a chat with her about why she shouldn't have done X and go and say sorry to Y. If she does something even more horrendous I take her favourite toy away for a set period of time after a warning. Anyway this works well for her at the moment and her behaviour is improving lately. I know there is still room for improvement in how I deal with things and am swatting up on books at the moment though.

My son has recently begun to throw tantrums when I say "no" to something. This usually involves flinging himself backwards and screaming and kicking his legs. He usually calms down after a few minutes. Distraction often works as well I find, as he is so small and tricky to reason with. In fact my son is very tenacious and goes back to things over and over again, that he knows he shouldn't do. So I try to arrange my flat to be child proofed to the best of my ability, to avoid these constant battles and the ones I cannot avoid I try to be consistent on. However when he is very tired sometimes his tantrums become more extreme and he may hit out at me. I usually say a firm "no" and he stops.

Anyway (sorry for the long explanation) today at my parents he kept repeatedly trying to do something, I'd tried saying "no", tried distraction, tried taking elsewhere etc and eventually he got very frustrated and very cross and hit out at me, I said a firm "no" and he stopped. He was very tired, it had been a long day and I was leaving theirs soon. My Dad at that point told me I should have smacked him and I said "surely when I'm trying to teach him that lashing out isn't acceptable, it makes no sense to smack him, to teach him to stop smacking me?" He walked off out of the room at that point cross with me. In fact several previous times at my parents, they have taken it upon themselves to smack my children on their wrist, when they're doing something they do not agree with. Which I've found tricky, they do not warn them first and sometimes it seems extremely minor the reason they've chosen. I suspect some of their reasoning is that now I'm a single parent, they think I need some help to bring the children up My mum also told me today that if I do not come down hard on him and then at school they're not allowed to challenge childrens behaviour properely anymore either, that basically he'll become a tear away as a teenager. I said he's not going to become a tear away, I do not give in to him and remain consistent when he throws tantrums and I said he is only 18 months and his sister was tricky at this age as well.

I know my parents have a problem with the fact that smacking is something I am not keen on, I have been known in the heat of the moment to do it and have felt awful afterwards but I know that it is not the best option and I try very hard to use other methods. But am I being unreasonable to not smack my son when he throws a tantrum and lashes out at me? Is he going to turn into a tear away if I do not discipline him more harshly at 18 months? I'm so tired of feeling like I'm not a good enough parent, my parents smacked me so much as a child though and I do not want it to be the first resort with my children

Sorry it's so long. So what do you think ladies (or gents)?

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Teaandcakeplease · 29/12/2010 20:38

sincitylover your post really resonated with me. I agree completely. I have read everything but I haven't had time to post meaningfully or respond individually since the other night. But I am now more at peace with myself and have decided to have some space from my family and limit contact with my dad especially. He goes shooting on Weds so I could see my mum without him about if I wish, so I do not have to listen to his cursing about DS under his breath but tbh I do not need that sort of negativity in my life. I love my parents but I love my children more and I think putting a little bit of distance between me and them for now is the better option. Until we can find some sort of middle ground and they respect my wishes. And if they can't then I'll have to keep visits brief to make it less stressful for me iyswim?

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Teaandcakeplease · 29/12/2010 20:41

I've removed "Christmas" from my name now btw Blush But it is still me.

Treedelivery I think my boy is the average boy toddler and not unusual. Even my eldest brother and his wife think he behaves no worse than theirs did when younger, which leads me yet again back to the fact my parents see him differently due to his father amongst other things. After I left the other day DS younger cousin spilt some coffee and dropped something into the organ in their lounge and dad shouted at him about that. My second eldest brother said at least that takes a little heat off of your son. Crazy huh?

I have 4 brorthers which may make this all sound a little confusing actually Confused

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Christmastreedelivery · 29/12/2010 23:13

Hi Tea. Yup, this is all pretty much their issue isn't it. Which makes it pretty much a non-issue really as you have your flat, your independence and your control.

I agree with your plan to limit/comtol contact with them 100%

Yeeeee Haaaaar for a strong parent at the head of a happy flourishing family.

CarGirl · 30/12/2010 19:08

It's good that your brothers can see it's your Dad at fault and it's not the whole family scapegoating him.

Space sounds very very good to me!

lochnessmumster · 30/12/2010 19:26

YANBU.
Infact it sounds like you know your own mind and are doing a fab job.
I really think hitting kids just teaches them that hitting is ok.
They copy what their parents do, so it's very hypocritical to hit them and then be angry when they hit out.

Teaandcakeplease · 30/12/2010 19:46

Thanks cargirl. DS has been gorgeous this week, lots of cuddles and wet sloppy kisses. Wish my parents could see that side of him. Yes he's thrown a few toys, hit and tried to bite me in tantrums here and there but it's lessening with time outs, and he'll get better and better, I know he will. It's just a stage Sad I'm glad I haven't spoken to my parents since then, as with time I'm feeling more peaceful.

Off to my eldest brothers for new year and my kids will love being with their older cousins and it'll give me a break and a change of scenery.

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CarGirl · 30/12/2010 19:50

Spending more time with your brothers sounds a good move to me Wink

pointythings · 30/12/2010 20:15

Tea, you know you are right and your parents are wrong, and your DS sounds just like a normal little boy going into the terrible twos a bit early. It is just a phase, and it does pass. It's very sad that your parents see your DS through the lens of his father, but in the end it's their loss - you are right to reduce contact.

You are a great parent.

Mumfun · 30/12/2010 23:21

Tea you are a lovely person and a lovely parent. Your kids are lucky to have you! Stick to your guns -I hope you can find family support maybe among your brothers that doesnt question your parenting style or label your son!

Teaandcakeplease · 30/12/2010 23:27

Thank you mumfun, haven't seen you about for a while. Hope you're well x

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snowyweather · 30/12/2010 23:37

You sound like a wonderful, wonderful mum. Hat off to you.

Teaandcakeplease · 05/01/2011 20:24

My mum wants to come up tomorrow to drop my son's birthday present off and I haven't seen her or spoken to her since the Monday we all met. She's e-mailed me. I'm now feeling tearful, I'm just finding it so hard and want to be left alone. I realise I sound like a petulant teenager now though. I try so hard not to offend them or rock the boat and I have spent years trying to build up a good relationship with them, as they couldn't let go of my teenage years (I wasn't that bad, never went drinking, took drugs etc. I was moody though and argumentative). I don't want all my hardwork thrown away, as my dad can hold grudges for years and it took a long time to build my relationship up with him again. But I cannot cope with anymore bad mouthing of my little boy Sad

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Blatherskite · 06/01/2011 09:38

Sorry, this dropped off the bottom of my active convos...

Is it just your Mum or our Mum and Dad that are visting today? I think what you need today is a Positive Mental Attitude. Think to yourself "I am fine. My children are fine. I do not care and am not affected by what they think. Today will be fine"

Believe that DS can and will be super well behaved and will show them that they're wrong. It's possible that he senses you being worried about seeing them and that in turn makes him worried and more likely to play up.

Be calm and serene and I bet he's a little angel :)

Good luck.

Teaandcakeplease · 06/01/2011 10:21

I asked mum not to bring Dad, so it should be mostly OK without Dad, mum sais she'd try not to criticise me so much in her reply e-mail.

We shall see. Just about to run the hoover round before she gets here. I only hoovered yesterday morning but it looks a tad messy again. That's toddlers for you isn't it? And living in a small place Grin

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CamelToeAndWine · 06/01/2011 10:35

YADNBU, IMO.

I went through a brief period of smacking my DS2 (not hard, and not often), when he went through a particularly, ahem, challenging phase.

It made him worse, and it made him more aggressive and hitty towards other children.

I stopped smacking, and so did he.

A friend/neighbour has a nearly 10 year old whom she smacks. In fact she has said to him in front of me, when he's been over to play with my kids "Behave yourself, or Camel will smack you".

He never used to be the sort of child who hits others, but he is now :(

theoriginalscummymummy · 06/01/2011 10:42

YANBU. I haven't had chance to read all the posts but ITA with you. Hitting teaches that hitting is acceptable. My family are under no illusions about it at all, and know that if they hit DD they are in SERIOUS trouble!

LeQueen · 06/01/2011 10:59

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Unrulysanta · 06/01/2011 11:52

Fwiw (and bearing in mind that you've had loads of support and great advice here already) I work with lots of teenagers who are in trouble with the police etc and I would say that at least 90% of them are disciplined physically by their parents. The idea that physical punishment would 'cure' bad behaviour is frankly laughable - we spend a lot of time trying to stop people from hitting their children.

They are wrong and you are YANBU.

Teaandcakeplease · 06/01/2011 22:05

Today went great. Dad didn't come and DS was lovely today, a bit loud as ever Wink He shouted at the end as she left, as he didn't want her to and cried, hoping she realises the tantrum was due to that reason and not any other, but no problems today at all. So relieved, hoping this is the start of mum realising she needs to let go and not interfere. I will continue to avoid large family gatherings though after the disaster a week or so ago I think.

LeQueen I've read posts before about your lovely girls, my boys temperament is so boisterous, my word, he's totally different from DD. Unrulysanta and camel have got it in one on why I sway away from that method with my boy. But luckily he's been a gem this week with a few timeouts. Long may it continue Grin

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Spurrie · 06/01/2011 22:20

You sound like an amazing mum - and on your own too! You deserve a medal for not succumbing to the pressures from your parents.

I am a social worker in famiy support offering parenting packages. You sound to have things sorted and could come and teach our parents a thing or too!

Hold you head up high and give yourself a big pat on the pat - doesn't sound like anyone else is recognising your huge accomplishments. And don't worry about the future - your DS is so young and going through normal age related behaviours. Patience and consistency will pay off in the long run.

Well done you!

Teaandcakeplease · 06/01/2011 22:24

Ahh thanks Spurrie still trying to work out what I want to do with my life actually, once DS is in Pre School and DD starts reception I want to work with parents and children in some fashion for sure. But I do not think I am a good enough parent to run a course like that, I fly by the seat of my pants Grin

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Spurrie · 06/01/2011 22:46

Doesn't sound like that at all - sounds like you research different approaches and are very child focused.

Have you thought about volunteering for a family support service? (When you're children are old enough / you are ready for some time for you?) Sounds like you'd be ideal for family support?

One of the major things we do in social work training is called 'reflective practice.' Sounds really professional but all it is is reflecting on your life, where your values and beliefs come from and why you behave a certain way. It can be quite an emotional rollercoster and it makes you question things you've buried for a long time. You sound to be doing this already in the sense of whats impacting on your beliefs re parenting - you could do with a group of students to debate and sound ideas off - have you thought about studying?

It sounds like this experience with your parents is bringing back a whole heap of difficult memories and experiences for you. yes it will be painful and emotional but have confidence in yourself. Your self esteem and confidence sound to have been knocked by your ex leaving the way he did. What you sound to need is NOT knoweldge about parenting but some confidence building. Have confidence in what you know is right and stop trying to prove yourself to your parents (very difficult as its likely to take a whole new learning). Strange how we can stand up for our children but not really ourselves.

Maybe studying social work / family support or similar will help with your confidence and help you work through some of your internal debates?

Good luck with whatever you choose to do X

mumeeee · 06/01/2011 23:29

YANBU, Smaking a toffler in a tantrum wil not help.

mumeeee · 06/01/2011 23:30

I meant toddler.

Teaandcakeplease · 07/01/2011 07:54

Spurrie I'm justing finishing an openings course with OU called understanding children but am still trying to think about what do next in Sept 2011. That sounds interesting.

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