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Am I being unreasonable to not smack my son when he throws a tantrum and lashes out at me?

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teaandcakeplease · 24/07/2010 20:18

I am a mumsnet regular, however I've never started a topic in AIBU, so please be gentle with me but I genuinely need to know if I am being unreasonable.

Bit of background: I have 2 children aged almost 3 and 18 months. My husband left me for a 21 yr old in October 2009 (short version of this, long one in relationships somewhere ). So I am a single parent bringing up 2 DCs on my own.

I do not have stairs as I live in a flat, so rather than a naughty step, my DD gets sent to stand by the front door when she behaves appallingly. This seems to work quite well for her and then after a few minutes I have a chat with her about why she shouldn't have done X and go and say sorry to Y. If she does something even more horrendous I take her favourite toy away for a set period of time after a warning. Anyway this works well for her at the moment and her behaviour is improving lately. I know there is still room for improvement in how I deal with things and am swatting up on books at the moment though.

My son has recently begun to throw tantrums when I say "no" to something. This usually involves flinging himself backwards and screaming and kicking his legs. He usually calms down after a few minutes. Distraction often works as well I find, as he is so small and tricky to reason with. In fact my son is very tenacious and goes back to things over and over again, that he knows he shouldn't do. So I try to arrange my flat to be child proofed to the best of my ability, to avoid these constant battles and the ones I cannot avoid I try to be consistent on. However when he is very tired sometimes his tantrums become more extreme and he may hit out at me. I usually say a firm "no" and he stops.

Anyway (sorry for the long explanation) today at my parents he kept repeatedly trying to do something, I'd tried saying "no", tried distraction, tried taking elsewhere etc and eventually he got very frustrated and very cross and hit out at me, I said a firm "no" and he stopped. He was very tired, it had been a long day and I was leaving theirs soon. My Dad at that point told me I should have smacked him and I said "surely when I'm trying to teach him that lashing out isn't acceptable, it makes no sense to smack him, to teach him to stop smacking me?" He walked off out of the room at that point cross with me. In fact several previous times at my parents, they have taken it upon themselves to smack my children on their wrist, when they're doing something they do not agree with. Which I've found tricky, they do not warn them first and sometimes it seems extremely minor the reason they've chosen. I suspect some of their reasoning is that now I'm a single parent, they think I need some help to bring the children up My mum also told me today that if I do not come down hard on him and then at school they're not allowed to challenge childrens behaviour properely anymore either, that basically he'll become a tear away as a teenager. I said he's not going to become a tear away, I do not give in to him and remain consistent when he throws tantrums and I said he is only 18 months and his sister was tricky at this age as well.

I know my parents have a problem with the fact that smacking is something I am not keen on, I have been known in the heat of the moment to do it and have felt awful afterwards but I know that it is not the best option and I try very hard to use other methods. But am I being unreasonable to not smack my son when he throws a tantrum and lashes out at me? Is he going to turn into a tear away if I do not discipline him more harshly at 18 months? I'm so tired of feeling like I'm not a good enough parent, my parents smacked me so much as a child though and I do not want it to be the first resort with my children

Sorry it's so long. So what do you think ladies (or gents)?

OP posts:
Teaandchristmascakeplease · 27/12/2010 20:54

Me too as he's lovely at home, yes he has his temper tantrums but he's so great and I hate the way he is being labelled by my family.

5foot5 I agree I'm going to have to see them less Sad

CarGirl · 27/12/2010 20:54

It really is them at fault.

Smacking doesn't work, you know it doesn't work, apart from seeing less of them I don't know what to suggest Sad

Have got friends that you enjoy spending time with?

I wonder if taking a break from you family would be good, your ds will have matured, the baby cousins will be older and more toddler like and perhaps it will help break the cycle of painting your ds the black sheep of the family?

When you do spend time with them I guess I would engage with your ds a lot so there isn't the opportunity for him to be picked on.

UrbanPatiencekeepinitreal · 27/12/2010 20:56

Tea my first instinct is this isn't positive for you or your kids at all ,lots to sort out ,stick to UR guns re discipline ,when UR dad mutters ,confront him and tell him that's not acceptable behaviour,this is the kind of bullying I used to get from my ILs luckily I don't have to see them ever again ,but I won't hold back if I do.if u don't feel strong enough to deal with them ,do some work on why u feel vulnerable,they should be supporting u Ffs. as for aspergers comment then he needs a hit ,just all negative and it went out with the ark ,ignorance and lacking awareness ,unfortunately u have to learn about their dysfunction to protect urself from their behaviour or the cycle will just keep repeating.did UR Ds never get to share the cousins toys ,how do the kids learn to share ?

JamieLeeCurtis · 27/12/2010 20:57

Another one saying YANBU. Trust your instincts. And all the very best to you. It is very frustrating, very hard having two children this age, but also such s lot of fun. Can't imagine how hard that is on your own

Teaandchristmascakeplease · 27/12/2010 21:03

Patience my Dad is a whole other can of worms, he hit me well into teenage years and has a foul temper, my whole family avoid confrontation with him and say as little as possible to him. Like walking on egg shells.

Shallishanti · 27/12/2010 21:09

Sorry I can't help much with your parents, OP, but wanted to add to everyone saying YADNBU. It's rubbish about 'needing a firm hand' or howevere they put it. I have 3 teenagers, and my oldest is 21, we did not smack ever, atho' we were quite firm about what was acceptable. They have all been commended by teachers and other adults as being polite, considerate, well behaved etc, not that they are angels by any means, eg bedrooms are messy, but really the worst they have ever done is come home drunk once or twice.

We never made a big deal out of manners, politeness etc, just treated them politely and considerately and they copy. Not at 18 months of course! You have to see it a a long term project. Maybe you need to find some friends who share your way of doing things, since you are a LP. Good luck, I think it sounds like you are doing a great job.

borderslass · 27/12/2010 21:15

Neither DH or I agree with smacking as we were both subjected to far more than the odd smack I was knocked across the room for coming home late [9.15 instead of 9 at 17]. I left that night I did build a relationship of sorts back up with my parents eventually but had a falling out when DD1 was 2 which lasted for about a year because of my father hitting her I was actually glad when he died.
It's good that your standing your ground and using other methods.

Shallishanti · 27/12/2010 21:17

sorry, just realised I sounded v smug, I am aware we have been very lucky also.

Blatherskite · 27/12/2010 21:20

Tea, my Dad was the same. I cut him out of my life over 14 years ago so he doesn't have any comment on how I parent my children but I also take much of what my Mum says with a pinch of salt too as she allowed him to do what he did so she obviously has no clue either.

I don't want my children to have my childhood so I do things differently.

You know where I am if you need me....

Teaandchristmascakeplease · 27/12/2010 21:20

That's the thing Borderslass, my dad never knocked me across the room but their answer was always smacking and hard to boot. I hated the way I was brought up and also the way they made me feel as they also spoke over me how awful I was and still like to remind me now. I want my children to live free of condemnation. To be disciplined but then to have it resolved and be affirmed. It's like double dutch to my parents quite frankly and I feel rotten tonight after today. Times like this make me question whether they're right and my children will be tear aways and dysfunctional.

Teaandchristmascakeplease · 27/12/2010 21:24

Thank you Blatherskite, nice to know I'm not alone. It's always mattered to me what my parents think and wanting their approval. I'm never going to get it on parenting though and I find it so hard. I didn't want to ring any friends tonight about it but wish I had as I'm sobbing to myself here alone with mumsnet instead.

Blatherskite · 27/12/2010 21:25

I'm on FB if you need me?

CarGirl · 27/12/2010 21:25

No they won't, you are providing firm and consistant boundaries that's what they need.

Far better than being in fear of walloped and feeling constantly condemned.

CarGirl · 27/12/2010 21:27

I'm not surprised your sobbing, you family have all been shitty towards your ds, he is a toddler not even 2, they have tantrums, they get frustrated, they lash out - they're generally hard bloomin work and instead of support you are being criticised!

googoomama · 27/12/2010 21:27

Hi Tea - read this and posted on the other thread. You ARE doing a great job. We love you on Chin up. Much love :)

classydiva · 27/12/2010 21:33

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR SMACKING A CHILD.

It is a criminal offence, I don't care what he does he could spit at you smacking him would not be the answer.

Every time you smack your kid you can be prosecuted for actual bodily harm.

Peeps like you who can't control their children other than by hitting them needs their legs taken off.

The title of your thread disgusts me, as do YOU>

Teaandchristmascakeplease · 27/12/2010 21:35

Classydiva I think you need to slow down and re-read my thread and the title which includes not

Blatherskite · 27/12/2010 21:38

classydiva maybe you need to read the thread title again - and preferably some of the thread too.

"Am I being unreasonable to not smack my son when he throws a tantrum and lashes out at me?"

See it? NOT to smack my son!

The Op is being told she should smack her son but isn't

The Op is very upset and comments like yours will just make things worse. I think maybe an apology is in order.

CarGirl · 27/12/2010 21:39

sorry Tea but can you send classy around to visit your dad Grin

googoomama · 27/12/2010 21:41

Oh dear Classydiva...easy now. Go and have a quick breathe Hmm

Teaandchristmascakeplease · 27/12/2010 21:43

I'm sitting here writing thank you cards, drinking tea, eating chocolate and mumsnetting about my awful day. I'm still tearful but it does feel better to talk to people virutally about it all and know that I'm not mad to want to parent differently. As they sure make me think I'm the mad one sometimes. Maybe it's time to buy toxic parents and read it?

CarGirl · 27/12/2010 21:44

sounds like it Tea, certainly won't hurt

hideyhideynamechange · 27/12/2010 21:49

Teaandchristmascake, you sound like such an exceptionally good mum that I had to post. You've had lots and lots of posts telling you how right you are getting it.

I wonder if you have considered going on a parenting course, because it sounds like you need a few people to tell you to your face that YOU ARE DOING IT RIGHT, to counteract your parents' input.

It's all about consistency, and that's the really hard thing to develop and the thing we all need support with, so therefore why would they deliberately be inconsistent with your way of doing things?

I have never smacked and never will. I believe that people who smack can be perfectly good parents, if the smacking goes along with consistency and a positive approach, but tbh I feel if you can do consistency and a positive approach, why bother smacking? It's just a waste of energy and pain for the parents IMO.

northernrock · 27/12/2010 21:51

I have heard Playful Parenting is a good one too Smile

pointythings · 27/12/2010 21:52

Classydiva owes OP a big fat apology...