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Am I being unreasonable to not smack my son when he throws a tantrum and lashes out at me?

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teaandcakeplease · 24/07/2010 20:18

I am a mumsnet regular, however I've never started a topic in AIBU, so please be gentle with me but I genuinely need to know if I am being unreasonable.

Bit of background: I have 2 children aged almost 3 and 18 months. My husband left me for a 21 yr old in October 2009 (short version of this, long one in relationships somewhere ). So I am a single parent bringing up 2 DCs on my own.

I do not have stairs as I live in a flat, so rather than a naughty step, my DD gets sent to stand by the front door when she behaves appallingly. This seems to work quite well for her and then after a few minutes I have a chat with her about why she shouldn't have done X and go and say sorry to Y. If she does something even more horrendous I take her favourite toy away for a set period of time after a warning. Anyway this works well for her at the moment and her behaviour is improving lately. I know there is still room for improvement in how I deal with things and am swatting up on books at the moment though.

My son has recently begun to throw tantrums when I say "no" to something. This usually involves flinging himself backwards and screaming and kicking his legs. He usually calms down after a few minutes. Distraction often works as well I find, as he is so small and tricky to reason with. In fact my son is very tenacious and goes back to things over and over again, that he knows he shouldn't do. So I try to arrange my flat to be child proofed to the best of my ability, to avoid these constant battles and the ones I cannot avoid I try to be consistent on. However when he is very tired sometimes his tantrums become more extreme and he may hit out at me. I usually say a firm "no" and he stops.

Anyway (sorry for the long explanation) today at my parents he kept repeatedly trying to do something, I'd tried saying "no", tried distraction, tried taking elsewhere etc and eventually he got very frustrated and very cross and hit out at me, I said a firm "no" and he stopped. He was very tired, it had been a long day and I was leaving theirs soon. My Dad at that point told me I should have smacked him and I said "surely when I'm trying to teach him that lashing out isn't acceptable, it makes no sense to smack him, to teach him to stop smacking me?" He walked off out of the room at that point cross with me. In fact several previous times at my parents, they have taken it upon themselves to smack my children on their wrist, when they're doing something they do not agree with. Which I've found tricky, they do not warn them first and sometimes it seems extremely minor the reason they've chosen. I suspect some of their reasoning is that now I'm a single parent, they think I need some help to bring the children up My mum also told me today that if I do not come down hard on him and then at school they're not allowed to challenge childrens behaviour properely anymore either, that basically he'll become a tear away as a teenager. I said he's not going to become a tear away, I do not give in to him and remain consistent when he throws tantrums and I said he is only 18 months and his sister was tricky at this age as well.

I know my parents have a problem with the fact that smacking is something I am not keen on, I have been known in the heat of the moment to do it and have felt awful afterwards but I know that it is not the best option and I try very hard to use other methods. But am I being unreasonable to not smack my son when he throws a tantrum and lashes out at me? Is he going to turn into a tear away if I do not discipline him more harshly at 18 months? I'm so tired of feeling like I'm not a good enough parent, my parents smacked me so much as a child though and I do not want it to be the first resort with my children

Sorry it's so long. So what do you think ladies (or gents)?

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TheSecondComing · 27/12/2010 21:57

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hideyhideynamechange · 27/12/2010 21:58

Hmm. Just wondering, could you turn a general conversation into specifics? Could you ask them about particular tearaways they have known, and about said tearaways' upbringing? Maybe to make the point that a) you're unlikely to know whether a particular tearaway was smacked or not aged 18 months b) sorry but quite a lot of tearaways come from households where there are two parents, and even two parents who both smack.

autodidact · 27/12/2010 21:59

Tea- you are a superstar and your folks should be ashamed of themselves. Good on you times one billion zillion for sticking to your guns and not following in their footsteps. Your children have a mum in a million, seriously. Hope you feel better soon. Your xmas sounds very stressful.:(

Teaandchristmascakeplease · 27/12/2010 22:03

I think the only reason none of us were tearaways was purely that we were terrified of being beaten by our dad, nothing to do with respect just pure fear hidey. It also probably effected how I chose my husband as I wanted someone as different from my dad as possible. Look where that got me? Hmm

I think I will look into one of those courses with Surestart just so that it can boost my self belief and maybe give me some stats too. Then I can reel them off if needed.

My parents can always find an excuse somewhere to prove their opinion sadly. Maybe even doing a course and having the stats wouldn't convince them, they really are old school and of a strong belief in smacking Sad

MumBarTheDoorSantaUsesChimneys · 27/12/2010 22:13

Oh dear Classydiva, not such a classy moment eh?

OP I'm so sorry your feeling so shit. It's great you have decided to stick with a firm voice, your DS will thank you for it one day, and be able to see your rellys attitudes for what they are.

pinksmarties · 27/12/2010 22:54

Secondcoming Grin

Hi Tea,

your family sound so much like mine and I too hated my upbringing and did every single thing differently with my own DC...and it worked and I have a brilliant relationship with them.

When my DC were a bit younger than yours and I was at the end of my tether, I did a parenting course (16 years ago) which was so wonderful that I can really say that it changed my life.

It taught me so many very simple but amazingly effective things, Praise, as has been mentioned, being one of them.

Reflective listening being another tool in the box which, when used on a toddler, works like magic.

Going to visit my parents when mine were little were the most stressfull of times with my parents constantly critisising their behaviour and telling me I was being too soft.

I used to drive home with tears streaming down my face, shouting at my poor DC and just saying why, why, why over and over like a mad thing.

God it was awful.

"Being Congruent" (can't spell it) was probably the best thing I learnt on the course, it really taught me the most amazing skills which I still use on my 6 feet DC to this day.

Your'e an amazing mum Tea and you'll have a wonderful relationship with your DC because that's what you want.

My parents just cared about appearences not about what really matters, which is, imho, being true to yourself no matter what.

Tea...google Reflective Listening. It's so simple and so effective and you can start straight away with your DS.

It's really life changing.x

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CheerfulYank · 27/12/2010 23:27

You're a lovely mum, Tea, and I'm so :( that anyone would make you belive otherwise. Big hugs from 'cross the pond.

Earthakitten · 27/12/2010 23:35

YANBU - whenever I've seen smacking, it's always been a result of the parent losing their temper. Nothing controlled about it, not about discipline.

It's about anger and a loss of control on the parents part.

Christmastreedelivery · 27/12/2010 23:42

100% behind you Tea. ((((((((hugs))))))))

Repeat: I am right and they are wrong.

Reapeat: My parenting, my business.

Repeat mantra as required Grin

Oblomov · 27/12/2010 23:48

Ignore Classydiva's ridiculous posts. It is not based on fact.
Smacking is never ideal. Agree it is a loss of control on the parents part. I know it was on mine. Not good.

Op, I think you know now, that you are doing just fine, right ?

InPraiseOfBacchus · 28/12/2010 00:24

YANBU. I think that smacking should be avoided in any situation. A kid won't understand when a smack is "reasonable" or not even if the parent does.

Stick firm, it seems like you're really clued up and making fine progress already. Your parents will see that when your kids grow up well-behaved.

Leave smacking in the past where it belongs, I think.

jaffacakeaddict · 28/12/2010 09:06

TACP - Hi I've followed you from the other thread

As loads of others have said, I think you are doing a great job in less than easy circumstances. As I understand it, you and your ex try to have a joint approach to parenting which I think is great. Your parents should try and respect the choices that the two of you have made. They are entitled to their opinions, but ultimately it is up to the two of you how you want to raise your kids.

As others have said, part of the problem seems to be that your parents don't respect the choices you have made. I would be tempted to phone them up before you see them again and explain that you have decided on a joint approach and that if they try to do anything different they will undermining you which will be counterproductive as your kids will not see a consistent approach. You may also want to "go nuclear" and tell them that if they continue to undermine you then you will have no option but to think about how much time, if any, you wish to spend with them. They will probably continue to bad mouth you to other members of the family but at least they may be less likely to do it to your face.

I do wonder about the idea that your parents are comparing your son to your ex. He is his own little person and should be treated as such. I reckon that most of us have at least some personality traits from each of our parents so expect that your son will be a bit like his father in some respects. That isn't necessarily a bad thing though - I imagine your ex must have had some good points or you'd never have fallen for him. I think there is also a danger that if a child is labelled then they will live up to that label. I'd love to say that I've never told my kids that they are naughty, but I do try to tell them that aspects of their behaviour were naughty rather than they were naughty when I remember to do so! If I were you, I'd mention this to your parents too, but I may well be too stroppy for my own good and maybe a less confrontational approach would be better!

Good luck!

porcamiseria · 28/12/2010 10:11

its extra hard when you are single parent to knows what right, all I can say is stick to your guns

BUT if parents offer to help, let them do it their way. the odd smack on wrist is NOT end of the world

elmoschristmaswish · 28/12/2010 11:57

Oh Tea Sad sorry you had a bad day at your mums , Ds is still only a baby & i promise you things will get easier as he gets a little bit older & able to communicate better . You are a fab mum & your dc's are lucky to have you & will grow up with much love & admiration for you . E/m me if you fancy a chat [hugs]

SkyBluePearl · 28/12/2010 12:24

18 months is old enough to use the naughty step. I did with my mine at 18 months and they understood perfectly. Treat DS and DD the same with the exception of a simpler explination for DS. He is just testing the boudaries at the moment - doesn't mean he will be a thug aged 18.

I think you should carry on telling your parents that smacking isn't the answer and why. I'd be tempted to also tell them you want to deal with any discipline issues and they are not to smack your children under any circumstances. I think you are right to see less of them if they don't respect your wishes.

My MIL tries to take over discipline wise and my kids are well behaved (mostly). She talks over me but i just ignore her and continue with my own methods. She then gives us space asmy kids are listening to me not her.

SkyBluePearl · 28/12/2010 12:33

oo just read your more recent post. maybe having less to do with mum/dad/sis is the better choice? less opportunity for upset. if they challenge you about it then highlight that you find them negative towards your son who is simply just a toddler and don't want him to be exposed to such negativity. they really should be more supportive and helpful.

Christmastreedelivery · 28/12/2010 12:34

The other thing I would say is Tea, that at some point when the kids are asleep/calm/busy and you are feeling positive and clear headed [I don't mean you aren't now! Grin I just mean to pick your moment when you are up for a deep ponder!] I would do this;

have a think about ds. Is he really naughty, is he different from any other child his age, are you comparing him to a 3 yo or to his sister at his age. That can only end in stress for you. Compare him only to himself. Is he sickly, is he developing enough for 3 months in 2 days, is he growth spurting, is he really in need of a language spurt that just hasn't landed yet.......what I am trying to get across is that there may not be a problem or an issue here. Just a toddler being a toddler. And parents inventing a problem.

If it's any consolation dd2 is sometimes pretty violent at that moment. I just leave her on the floor and wander off. It's so much easier than trying to prove anything or win anything. If I were in the mood she is sometimes, I would refuse to agree heaven is nice and hell is not. So sometimes there is no point to be made with this age group, just wait for it all to pass and repeat those mantras!!

soverign21 · 28/12/2010 16:36

so sorry Tea, no advice here but i know how you feel as my mum is exactly the same, i only visit for an hour or so at a time these days as it just isn't fair to my DC

moirasings · 28/12/2010 16:49

I too was smacked as a child and decided not to hit my children. My Dad thought I was wrong, but both my parents DID respect my wishes and did not hit my kids. My DS was quite a handful and I endured many lectures from my mother in law about my parenting. BUT he did come through it and by the time he was 3 had really settled down. My Dad actually told me that he was amazed and that I had been right all along!Hang in there - you are doing fine.

sincitylover · 28/12/2010 16:59

I also think that bullying type parents such as yours will use every opportunity to undermine you as a lp unfortunately. And they wouldn't be so inclined to do that if there was a man in tow. Don't know why they do that but I have noticed it with my own who are uber critical of me.

I have much older dcs but they've hinted several times that they think dc1 would behave better if I wasn't divorced and they also like to heap their pity on me. Maybe it makes them feel good about themselves I don't know.

Rather than big me up (excuse the slang) and praise me for doing the best I can on my own.

They are strong believers in marriage at all costs and I suppose I'm a reminder to them of someone who wasn't willing or able to put up with a bad marriage for the sake of appearances.

I think you are absolutely right not to smack your dcs and your ps should respect your position.

chocolatebuttontheif · 28/12/2010 16:59

YANBU in the slightest.

It's just a generation difference. I was smacked as a child but i wouldnt dream of doing it to DS, it doesn't solve anything.

Smacking may well be effective but I want DS to behave because he wants to, not because he's scared of me (like I was my dad)

CheerfulYank · 28/12/2010 23:14

Tell them that you have the Bench behind you and if necessary gommummy and I will come and have words with them. I'm a force to be reckoned with under the right circumstances, I promise you. :)

MsKLo · 28/12/2010 23:41

Teaandcake

I just wanted to offer a bit of sympathy and reassurance across cyber space

You sound like a very conscientious mum, a great, caring mum

Follow your instincts - your kids are lucky to have you x

AllyH9 · 29/12/2010 11:38

You're right. You can't teach your children that violence is wrong if you hit them!