To think that Denise Fergus should have stayed at home?

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I don't understand why she (mum of Jamie Bulger) had to go and sit in court when John Venables was being sentenced for his more recent crime. I will never forget the horror of hearing what happened to her little boy, and I know that she will never get over it - but how can it possibly help her to keep appearing on tv and making statements about what happens now? She seems to feel she has a right to be told all about everything, and while I can sympathise with her opinion to a certain extent I don't know that she does really. I saw her being interviewed when he was arrested earlier in the year and she said she'd had to keep her children off school because of the publicity - but she seems to be generating a lot of it herself.
Please don't think me hard hearted, it's just that I don't get it.

If a paper did pick up the thread, all they'd see is a person with extremely distateful opinions being given short shrift.

I don't think it was a troll, I think they genuinely hold those views. You've got to give it to them they did keep trying to defend them, but because they were talking shit it was a pointless exercise.

Wtf does it have to do with anyone else what she does? turn off the tv or radio or turn the page of the paper if it offends you. my ds was same age as James and is now a dad himself I often think about it and how lucky I am. The truth is unless your child is snatched and slowly tortured to death then you don't know how you would react!

I think the OP started this thread as a way of showing off.

She wanted everyone to know she knew someone who knew......

Sick groupie.

The OP and the other poster aren't the same person though, or have I missed something? The discussion was proceeding along fairly tamely until the animals came in and said it was all DF's fault anyway.

OP here - definitely not the same person as anyone who has been posting recently - the thread has gone absolutely berserk, completely left any sane discussion regarding what I asked in the first place. I would never defend the boys convicted of James Bulgers murder, and I wasn't intending my post as a criticism of his mother. I wasn't actually coommenting on the original case at all. A few people have agreed with my view and some have reasonably explained why their opinion differs - to anyone I have offended, I apologise - and I am now going to request that the thread be pulled as it appears to have lured all kinds of madness out of the woodwork.

You don't have to pull the thread 2blessed, desanimaux is no reflection on you, and as you say there was a good discussion.

It was only one posters opinion and I'm sure MNHQ would have pulled it themselves if it was that bad.

If every thread was taken off because someone said something lots of people disagreed with, MN would be a bit of a weedy forum.

I don't want a weedy forum either AgentZigzag - but I just felt that this was getting completely out of hand, and that the original discussion was long gone anyway - I can take being called all sorts of names for my OP (sort of, I'd rather a valid reason for different idea was put forward), but I'm not liking that people are mixing me up with some of the other posters on here, and assuming that I in some way share their views!

p.s. too late now anyway, I asked MNHQ to pull thread straight after I said I was going to - I guess if it stays, then there's nothing I can do about it

l think Denise Fergus has become a professional victim. We are always treated on every image of her to that same glum expression. Ironically that seems to be detracting from public sympathy. As she has remarried and had more children, one would hope - not least for their sake - she does smile occasionally.

suda, what a bitchy compassion free post

OP, look what your nasty post started? happy now? should have kept your nasty opinion to yourself in the first place. well done for unleashing desanimaux

Yep Suda, as you can see everyone on here has lost sympathy for her...

Have you been reading this thread at all or did you just blow in to spout nonsense?

porcamiseria ; l dont even know - or want to know - who OP is so no they did not 'start' me off. l merely stated my opinion on what is an open discussion forum. Sorry to break this to you but it is not just for people who agree with you. Not only do you get aeriated with people holding a different opinion to yours but you even take it on yourself to hurl abuse at whoever you think instigated any alternative opinion to your own.
Rockbird : I originally entered this discussion after noticing derogatary comments about Denise Fergus and there are a lot of comments out there which are less than sympathetic and l dont mean the usual sick ones that these kind of sites attract. l have not stated that everyone has lost sympathy for her and sorry to break bad news to you also but you do not speak for "everyone on here" In answer to your two questions - have l read it all or have l just come in to spout nonsense 1. Yes l have read it all 2. No I will leave that in your capable hands

"We are always treated on every image of her to that same glum expression."

Nice.

Glad to see empathy is not dead

suda you expressed your opinion. and I expressed mine. end of!

I said your post was "bitchy and compassion free"

I'd hardly classify that as hurling abuse!!!! god, you should see me on a bad day...

Mrs Fergus has seen a criminal justice pathway.she has maybe not had adequate support or closure,and understandably feels raw.criminal justice isnt an empathic process,it seeks to address legal transgressions but lacks a human face

whenever i see Mrs Fergus on tv she looks raw and broken.as i parent it is unimaginable what she has had to endure.im incredulous she is called to account by some for her grief on tv.given what she has been through no wonder she feels aggrieved

and sometimes systems such as criminal justice and detention/rehab are focussed on outcome and pathway of offender and not the victim/victims family

Yes the system seems to speed onward leaving victims and families quite isolated and detached from the process.

No one asks them what they think, no one wants to know about the victim (apart from the media)

I don't think victims and their families should be making policy though. Perhaps annopportunity to speak in court would help.

specific cases influence and do change policies eg soham and baby p and climbie all resulted in specific changes and recommendations.impacting directly upon practice

'is unfortunately nothing to do with her, and by her going to the media etc... is doing nothing for her, or her media view, if a grieving mother hurting beyond belief.

James Bulger murder will be with this world long after we have gone, but sadly his murder is in the past and the world unfortunately moves on, even tho it difficult for the families of all concerned.'

Another sickening post. How do you know it's doing nothing for her? Her continued involvement is why her son's murder isn't just left in the past because it's uncomfortable for people and they'd rather just move on and look away.

Difficult? You think this is difficult?

I can't believe such a statement from anyone who has children.

People die after losing their children, that's how difficult it is. They commit suicide, drink themselves to death like Vicky Hamilton's and Dinah Nichols' mothers because the burden of their grief is too much to bear, marriages split, peoples' lives are stolen, taken, made a prison of.

But they should just shut up after a while because well, things move on and it's really uncomfortable hearing about it so it can't possibly be doing them any good.

Was thinking about the earlier furore when Denise Fergus was 'consulted' regarding venables' release.

porcamiseria l actually think you are having a bad day - l didnt say you hurled abuse at me l said you got aeriated at me and hurled it at anyone who you considered to have even instigated any different opinion to your own i.e. OP - in this instance. Anyway we're bored now - its too easy to wind up members of mob rule inc.

some of you lack empathy.mrs fergus son was abducted and murdered.it is entirely her business,and she has her experiential view.she is not banging on about late buses,she is a broken woman discussing the impact of her son's murder at a very pertinent time.one of the perpetrators has just been revoked licence and sentenced.naturally this impacts upon mrs fergus.as an empathic society we should make some space for her to acknowledge her pain

losing a child through poor health or accident is hard enough to bear.but living with knowledge your child died in those horrific circumstances is excruciating

She has the right to grieve however she wants to.

She has the right to attend court.

A two year old boy died before he got to experience his life properly.

You are grown adults on a forum and this thread is a disgrace.

A child died, his mother will never forgive herself

'Anyway we're bored now - its too easy to wind up members of mob rule inc'

Is that the royal we?

You get your entertainment from winding up people on an thread about a mum whose son was tortured and murdered by other children??

Do you voice your opinion on James Bulger and how you get your kicks in RL? What kind of reaction do you get from the people you know?