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Not giving my DS's friend an ice cream after he didn't even try his dinner?

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whoopdeedoo · 20/07/2010 20:33

My DS's best friend from school came over to play and for tea today. I dread it when he does as he is such a handful, climbs on everything, pretty rude and just doesn't listen, drives me mad....today I stopped him opening the cupboards in the kitchen right in front of me and asked what he was doing - "looking for a snack" came the reply . I said I would cook dinner - did he like rice - no. OK - do you like pasta - yes. Do you like sausages? Yes. So I made sausage pasta.

Once on the table I get "I don't like it" and he refused to even try a piece of sausage. I am pretty strict with my DC's eating their dinner before being allowed dessert - if they don't eat enough of their main meal they don't get one and they don't get any other food before bed - pretty simple and effective for us. My DC's both ate their meals, encouraged by the temptation of ice cream to follow. But DS's friend did not eat anything at all. I was left wondering if it was cruel/not my place to refuse the friend an ice cream, but feeling that it was unfair and a bad example to set my DC's to give him one after they did as they were asked.

Luckily the friend's mum turned up to collect him and in all the fuss the ice creams were momentarily forgotten so I dodged the issue, but AIBU to not want to give him an ice cream?

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Poohbearsmom · 21/07/2010 11:20

I would not have been happy to collect my child and told he'd had no dinner but ate his ice-cream... Im the parent il feed my child when we get home dont ruin his appetite by giving him just the pudding, just wait till he's gone to give your dc's their pud.
If he doesnt eat your dinner, dont bribe or force him to try or he'l be the only one with no treat thats horrible imo to do to a lo. Just offer some fruit/small snack just not to leave him hungry but let his parents feed him his tea when he goes home or like others have said arrange for him to be collected before you serve tea or delay your tea half an hour let them play everyone happy no fuss, stick with your rules for your kids but i can imagine how stressful it could be to a lo not even 5 being given out to over not eating something he didnt want to/didnt like/wasnt used to... Had you served pasta with a sausage on the side and he hadnt tasted either ok he's being a bit of a fussy one but you made a meal your kids are used to and hes prob not so its a diff story... None the less id still not make a big issue out of it with other ppl's dc's... I think the best thing is to have a chat with him mum tell her what happened ask her what she'd prefer

grapeandlemon · 21/07/2010 11:20

You are unbelievably harsh - it's a playdate they are meant to be having a bit of fun.

I sincerely don't know how you could have sat there and handed out the ice-creams to your children while he sat there with nothing. He is a guest in your house.

"Sausage pasta" sounds really revolting, I am Italian it is not exactly a delicacy. I grew up in Tuscany and they keep the pasta dishes quite bland for children, and will always vary the pasta dish or any food to suit a child's palette.

I always ask the parents what kind of thing the child likes to eat before I have a child over to play. I think you need to work on your manners. I doubt he will want to come over again though.

minipie · 21/07/2010 11:24

grapandlemon - the OP has clarified she didn't give ice creams to any of the kids.

Plopsie · 21/07/2010 11:26

I wouldn't have given the child ice cream after he refused to try a first course which he had said he liked so no, you're not being unreasonable to have considered it.

grapeandlemon · 21/07/2010 11:27

Oh really? Apologies I missed that.

porcamiseria · 21/07/2010 11:30

"I think tomato-y pasta is a pretty big expectation on a 4/5 year old"

Now I am lucky enough to have a non fussy eater, but surely by 4-5 they can eat saucey food???

flockwallpaper · 21/07/2010 11:32

I have lived outside of the UK too and I agree with mrsspock. Mine have eaten whatever the adults eat from a young age and all visiting children behaved in the same way.

This thread is a real eye opener.

5DollarShake · 21/07/2010 11:33

I'm with Sandinmyshoes - some of you really are unspeakably rude!!

Pasta and meatballs is considered a child-friendly favourite - plus Italians routinely eat pasta with sausages (probably pepperoni, though - God imagine how things would have kicked off if the OP had deigned to serve something like that! ).

What do you all serve up - meat and 3 veg?

Honestly, this thread is scaring me from ever have my DC's friends over to play when they get older - all the things that you're saying yours would rather die than eat!!

I thought pasta or rice with a tomato-based sauce was pretty tame, but apparently not. I honestly do not remember it being like this when I was little - you went to someone's house and had what they had and weren't pandered to.

And how many times does it have to be said - the OP did not give her DC ice-cream either!

OP - YANBU.

FellatioNelson · 21/07/2010 11:43

Not at all unreasonable to not want to give him one - if those are your rules then it would be unfair for your children to see you make exceptions for someone else's child, when thye've stuck to the rules. HOWEVER: I would think it very to go ahead and give them to your children to make an example of him - not very hospitable to a guest. Not setting a very polite example, and will create bad feeling with his mother, who will no doubt be told a totally different version of the story, about how he really tried hard to finish all his dinner but you gave him too much, or something.

I would have said pointedly:

Chilren, as X hasn't even tried to eat his dinner I'm afraid there can be no pudding for anyone, until he has gone home. It would be rude to eat it in front of him,l wouldn't it? I'm sure you understand.'

I've had kids like this to my house many a time - hate them!

That way, you can look his mother in the eye and say 'I'm sorry if he is still hungry - I gave what he said he liked, but he didn;t seem to want it'. And leave it at that. You still have the moral high ground without seeming smug or cruel.

Francagoestohollywood · 21/07/2010 11:44

As an Italian, I would just like to point out that we don't have "pepperoni", which is, I believe, an American invention.

We have salsiccia (sausage) and it is often used to make ragu' for pasta.

Fussy eaters are everywhere though, not just a British feature.
True, we don't really have "children food" here in Italy, and pasta with tomato sauce (which is full of vitamins!) is a staple in the Italian child's diet.

babywrangler · 21/07/2010 11:46

I sympathise OP,
My DS (9) has a longstanding friend (12) who is an utter nightmare. I used to avoid having him around whenever possible but when he came over as part of the group of old friends' kids he always refused to eat, despite demanding I cook something different for him.

He basically challenged anything we ask him to do (or stop doing!). It's incredibly wearing and makes the whole thing exhausting and stressful.
Things got worse and worse. He really was spoiling things for everyone else until I finally (when he was 6) put my foot down and explained to him that, if he wanted to come here for a sleepover/tea etc, he had to follow our house rules. (eating something from the selection offered, not demanding I cook or order something special for him then pushing it round his plate; dinner at the table not while playing the Wii; upstairs to wash and change when we call bedtime; not teasing the dog etc).

Just stuff that makes having a group of bigger kids round at mine easier when I have a job, younger DCs and baby to deal with too!

Shortly afterwards his mother confided in me that he'd never been invited round anyone else's house a second time but had recently started to be asked a little more often .

From your post it sounds like your DC's friend, although much younger, was difficult in a similar fashion and the eating thing was just symptomatic of not knowing how to behave at other people's houses.

I think you would be doing this child a favour if you gently explained some of the etiquette of visiting for tea. I wouldn't get into a battle about it, but kids often accept different rules for different places quite easily.

You may also find it easier to do a selection of sandwiches with stuff like sliced cucumber, cherry tomatoes, cheese cubes, bread sticks etc so everyon can pick and choose what they like at this age. Easier on you and less likely to result in a refusal to eat standoff.
Also, get a heads up from parents beforehand what their kids like eating.

Also, you can use a visitor's bad behaviour to show your kids what they shouldn't be doing (after visitor has gone). Ds and I used to have quite a laugh about how irritating his friends antics were (I do a great impression!).

My DC's difficult friend still tries it on but now accepts me laying down the law.

DH still point blank refuses to have him over if I'm out tho . And having him here with his parents is another story altogether. I love them to pieces but hate having to tell him off while they studiously ignore his behaviour or watch him having a major tantrum at them to get what he wants .

I think you are within your rights to insist on some rules that make having kids round fun for all .

YANBcompletelyU

minxofmancunia · 21/07/2010 11:48

YABVVU, can't believe you gave your dcs ice cream but not him, that's just cruel, what, ultimately do you think this achieves, in the long term?? Just makes you look like a food facist and extremely uptight.

the child was a 4 year old guest in your home, maybe something a bit more generic that you know a child would def like would have been more in order??? If thiswas my dd I wouldn't be sending her there again. I give her a range of foods and expect her to at least try something but NOT guests, and I never force her to eat if she isn't hungry/doesn't like something. When her little friends come round they generally have pizza/ fish fingers, waffles, beans something I know they will eat.

BunnyLebowski · 21/07/2010 11:50

OH FOR CHRIST'S SAKE

Will you read the bloody thread before going off on a misinformed rant!!!

She didn't give any of the kids ice cream.

FellatioNelson · 21/07/2010 11:54

I realised she didn't Bunny but she said it was because they all got distracted or whatever. Had they not got distracted, she was obviously asking the herself the question 'Can I do this, or would it be too mean?' so I was answering in light of the hypothetical situation!

sorebore · 21/07/2010 12:00

babywrangler - 'Ds and I used to have quite a laugh about how irritating his friends antics were (I do a great impression!)'
Are you for real? What a nasty lesson to teach your son about how to treat and talk about other people.
For the OP - totally understand you wanting to be consistent, but rather than my house my rules, maybe it could be bent a bit to be more like my kids, my rules.
And - not sure if anyone else has said it - probably best if you are serving a pasta dish to serve a bowl of plain pasta, and a bowl of sauce and a bowl with the sausages. A 4 year old might like sausages, might like pasta but be a bit uncertain if they are mixed together, and I don't think you should let yourself be so wound up by it.
Finally - the posters who were so rude and horrified at the sausages in tomato sauce meal - how rude to criticise the OP's cooking. It might sound a bit strange but really broccoli + tomatoes + sausages + pasta is hardly that outrageous.

BrightLightBrightLight · 21/07/2010 12:02

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Deliaskis · 21/07/2010 12:04

I can see both sides here, he is only little and probably expected sausages and a pile of spaghetti hoops or something.

I can't understand though why the OP didn't just make him some toast/cheese on toast/sandwich or something instead.

When I take my Brownies away there is the occasional one who doesn't like the meal, and I take them into the kitchen and show them what they could have instead - sandwiches, scrambled eggs on toast, beans on toast, etc. I don't 'pander' any further than that and it has never been necessary, but no, a Brownie wouldn't get pudding if they hadn't eaten some 'not-pudding' first.

It never really had to turn into a dilemma about whether to give ice cream or not. Although accepting if nobody got ice cream anyway then it is kind of a moot point, and I do think people are being a bit harsh calling the OP mean, as nobody got ice cream so where is the meanness?

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5DollarShake · 21/07/2010 12:04

Fellatio - no, it was in the fuss and distraction of collecting the children that the OP didn't tell the Mum about no ice-cream. A bit different.

FrancagoestoHollywood - OK, you don't have pepperoni, but you do have sausage (of whatever form) and pasta. That was my point.

Francagoestohollywood · 21/07/2010 12:07

Oh yes 5dollar, sausage can be added to all sorts of carbohydrate .
Peperoni are peppers here!

thesecondcoming · 21/07/2010 12:08

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5DollarShake · 21/07/2010 12:09

And yet more people piling on to be unspeakably rude (BLBL). Do you people talk to others like this in real life? Say these sorts of things to people's faces if they go to the trouble of providing you with hospitality?

Unbelievable...

ProfessorLaytonIsMyLoveSlave · 21/07/2010 12:17

The OP did ask (in the AIBU forum) "what's wrong with sausage pasta?"

And she hasn't (AFAIK) gone to the trouble of providing any posters here with hospitality . She's specifically asked them, in a forum section intended for full and frank exchange of views, what they think of the sound of her pasta dish. And they've told her (a wide range of differing views).

I think half the problem with the original incident was that the sausage pasta dish isn't as near-universally appealing as the OP had assumed it was, so establishing that plenty of people would have extremely strong negative feelings about it is also very relevant.

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FellatioNelson · 21/07/2010 12:18

I don't object to kids who are really fussy eaters - no skin off my nose. What I object to are kids who are rude and ungracious, and demanding and who have no idea of how to behave in someone else's home when they are a guest. I know this boy was only 4, but I've had ten year olds behave like that, and it's unpleasant.

I don't bother to make an issue out of it - not my job to train someone else's child in manners - I just make a mental note that they are brats who won't be invited back in a hurry.

5DollarShake · 21/07/2010 12:20

Did the OP ask what's wrong with sausage pasta? I thought it was other contributors to the thread...