to have refused to remove the photo?

[moominmarvellous]

A friend of mine has emailed asking me to remove a picture of her DD from an album on Facebook of my daughters birthday party.

Just to clarify, it's the back of her child, in fancy dress, she's in the distance in a photo taken of two other children. I know she doesn't like her DD's pics on there, so I deliberately didn't include any of her or tag her Mum in pics to draw attention to anything.

I'm begining to wonder if they're in the witness protection programme!

I wasn't clear on the answer proudnsad, just feel some replies have been made without reading some of the relevant facts and then added a bit of speculation so I was coming across as even worse than I'd originally considered.

I asked in a public forum so was prepared to be told YABU, but some aspects have been a bit unfair so thought I'd say so.

Yep, remove it. Whatever the reason, it's her say...

moom - your photo your say what you do with them - people don't actually have a say about their photograph being taken and until such a time - then the photogrpah is yours to do what you like with it.

If you don't like this - then get onto your MP to get the law changed

No no no!

It's your photograph, taken on your property with (presumably) your equipment. You own that photograph and its copyright. She has no legal or moral right to ask you to take that down - irrespective of if it contains a photo of her kid(s).

I'm at the stage now where if anyone requests I remove any of my work from being posted on line I tell them to get lost simply because I'm sick of combating this insidious idea that any kind of photograph needs some kind of permission of the people appearing in it.

If people don't want to appear in photos then don't leave the house.

Tell her to get lost - especially given her daughter isn't even the subject of the pic.

Isn't it called right to one's own image?

You cannot publish pictures of other people without their consent.

I can understand you think she's precious but after all it is her kid. Just blur it as you said you would.

FWIW: did she ever say she didn't want her dd photographed? I am quite vocal about not wanting my own image or my dd's splashed out on FB so I'd rather no photographs were taken at all.

Bit far out but maybe she borowed said costume from someone and they forgot she had it and may want it returned if they see her dd in it

No??

Well agree her child her say but I would request she takes off all photos of your dd and keep it that way.

YANBU to feel the way you do, but you were right just to grit your teeth and go along with it. I don't like the whole you-must-have-my-wriiten-permission-before-you-dare-take-my-picture thing, it makes me feel weird and creepy. The OP was not hiding in bushes taking pictures, it was a photo of her DD at a party!! I love pictures of my DS's at social events, and always ask for copies to keep for when they are older. If I felt strongly about them being posted on fb I would say so at the time and as the person in question has pictures of her dd on fb AND saw the pic at the time, it would suggest there is more to it.

yanbu - your photo - you can do whatever you like with it, id make it my profile picture, but then i dont have any friends that would ever be so petty - she seriously needs to get a life!

Was she miffed that her DD wasn't the subject? If she posts pics herself of her DD and others she is being unreasonable in saying no-one else can do the same. Particularly if she knew when you took it that your intention was to publish it and said nothing. The only thing you are legally obliged to do is provide her with a copy of it.

is this her birth child or has child been adopted? If adopted that may be the reason for not having photo on the net. Foster children are not allowed to be on net because of confidentiality, cold it be something like that?

"Isn't it called right to one's own image"

No such thing. Some professional photographers may ask models to sign a waiver but this is legal arse covering and nothing to do with a persons "image".

"You cannot publish pictures of other people without their consent."

If that photo was taken in a public place or in private property with the permission of the owner then you absolutely do not need permission.

As I've stated in another thread, there is no such thing as privacy in a public place. Absolutely categorically not - that's why its called "public".

Take a look in any news paper sports section - do you think the paper asked the thousands of people in shot in football stadiums for their permission?

When I shot my last wedding, did I ask the permission of every individual in every photograph before I published photos on my site?

Do Tesco ask for your permission for taking your "image" on their CCTV if you walk through their car park?

Stop talking out of your arse.

To repeat myself, OP you have no legal or moral obligation to remove that photo. If the parent of the child in question does not want her picture taken then she shouldn't let her out in public - let alone to a party.

You may as a courtesy remove the photo (though I certainly wouldn't and I'd be clear in telling her why) but you are doing nothing wrong in refusing to do so.

This idiotic "think of the children" hysteria about public photography pisses me off no end. Your children may end up on someone else's photo album - tough. It's part of living in a free country.

yanbu the world has gone mad, and eatyourveg comments were ridiculous - smacks more of her own hangups and atitudes than yours - think it is entirely natural to photograph events and post online - i do it all the time as DS grandparents are overseas and like to see whats going on in his life - sometimes this includes copies of pics of him playing with friends - not just on facebook but god forbid also on my blog ..

this is like that whole thing about those kids riding their bikes to school - nanny state, mollycoddle kids to death and protect them from what - life ...

every parents right to choose but like windward says - if you don't want your kids on film - keep them indoors, they are picked up on cctc every day which could be viewed by pervy security guard - nothing you can do about it ...

rant over

no hangups here cheepz and yes the owrld has gone mad but as you so rightly say every parent has the right to choose, this parent said no so should be respected. End of!

Why are you legging it by the way - frightened you would be shouted down? Now who has got the hangup?

Every parent has the right to choois and should refuse public appearences if they don't wish photogrpahs to be taken - most parties have photos taken, what do people think will happen with the photos?

She's most definitely her birth child.

I have said from the start that had there been any exceptional circumstances, I could get it and would have been more cautious....although in this picture you cannot even see the colour of the childs hair due to the nature of the costume. So in all honesty I may still have posted it without thinking that was wrong, but wouldn't have questioned her wish for me to remove it.

And how's this for irony - our mutual friend reminded me that in the past her DD was on the books of a child modelling agency!! Perhaps she was miffed I didn't pay first!

Madness. Total madness.

mumbar - that's the kind of reason I'd have for needing it removed!

Parents (and everyone else) lose the right to chose when they step out in public.

I have thousands of photos of thousands of different people - most of which have appeared in some form or another on my website.

These people have no right to chose if I take these photos and no right to chose what I do with them.

If they don't like that then tough - don't go out in public.

As a proviso to that, I have - very occasionally - removed photos when requested to when given a decent reason and as long as the request have been just that - a polite request. Nothing is more likely to get a "no" than some uninformed demand from some ignorant parent complaining that I have a photo with their precious Tarquin picking his nose on a beach.

Where has this ridiculous idea that people shouldn't take or publish pictures of kids came from?

I love the use of ''Tarquin to describe the spawn of precious parents, never fails to make me chuckle

She sounds ridiculous and everyone who has posted suggesting that they would ask you to remove it too, if she were their daughter, is also ridiculous and pretty pathetic, really.

If she deosn't want her kids on FB, then its her cal. She is probably just concerned that NEXT TIME the photo could be a pace shot, and she is nipping it in the bud.

Accepting a birthday invite is not and should not be construed as "why yes, I would love my child plastered all over your FB page".

I hate hate hate when people have their children all over their FB page. Did the children agree to this? Doubt it.

her "call" and "face" shot

what are you going to do when school friends - no their parents put photogrpahs of your dc on a socail networking website ( which there are for under 14's )? there will be lots of children - teens that take cameras to school, roller disco, bolwing etc - and then they will go home and put photogrpahs up that they took

they will not first ask each parents if they can doo this

This isn't something you are going to be able to stop, and a little like getting a telephone in the 1970's first a few people had one nd then there were all your firends getting a phoe or a colour tv - this will go on and get bigger and more wide spread