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Penguinsandspaniels · 09/03/2026 12:21

@pasanda and @wouldratgerbeunknown sorry our posts aren’t giving you hope - I wish and hope things will be different for you both

but doesn’t matter if they are little drinkers or big - anyone is welcome who needs this space

I will say that unless they want to stop and put in the hard work , they won’t become sober

wouldratgerbeunknown · 09/03/2026 12:34

@Penguinsandspaniels so sorry I’m not being critical at all! This thread has been and continues to be a lifeline for me. I’m so grateful for the support and advice. I’ve got an escape plan in place thanks to all of you . I just think I was incredibly naive when I was first directed here and didn’t see what was staring me in the face. You all helped to open my eyes.

pasanda · 09/03/2026 12:35

Isthisit2025 · 09/03/2026 11:45

@LavenderFieldds This is exactly how I feel. When my DS is ‘ok’ (basically when he’s at work) I feel ‘normal’ then I spiral if I notice something or he doesn’t come straight home from work. I want to work but I don’t. I want to go out but I don’t. I want to socialise but I don’t. Can you see where I’m coming from? It IS mentally exhausting.

@pasanda it is a ‘living grief’ we are grieving for the lives our ‘children’ should be having/had. It is torture. I found Famanon was not for me. Too structured and not the ‘hug’ I needed. There’s no feedback either. I know they are not meant to give advice but at least somethibg rather than after pouring your heart out “thank you”. I just found it all a little bit cold. I hasten to add they are all very nice people just going through the hell that we are on this thread. There is a meeting (smart) online tonight at 5.45. I attend this every Monday.

The meeting I attended was a discussion about authority. The first 20 minutes was spent reading things out from a list of sentences. Not what I expected at all, but if it helps people, and it clearly does, then I think it’s a great resource for those who get something from it. I think I thought it was going to be more of a discussion about what we were all going through. A sort of yes! I understand and sympathise. Indeed, a ‘hug’.

Isthisit2025 · 09/03/2026 12:46

@pasanda Al anon/Famanon and the like may suit others but it wasn’t for me, and really that is what you want, for it to suit your needs. The meeting I attend (zoom) people share their thoughts/feelings and situations. There is certainly an acknowledgment of what we are going through, and conversation between the participants which never happened on the group I was on before. Groups differ I think so maybe give the SMART a try and see what you think. I have only attended this one so cannot comment on other SMART groups.

pasanda · 09/03/2026 12:53

Penguinsandspaniels · 09/03/2026 12:21

@pasanda and @wouldratgerbeunknown sorry our posts aren’t giving you hope - I wish and hope things will be different for you both

but doesn’t matter if they are little drinkers or big - anyone is welcome who needs this space

I will say that unless they want to stop and put in the hard work , they won’t become sober

I absolutely accept that right now, she is nowhere near ready for help. She is nowhere near being able to commit to sobriety. Would not manage the hard work this entails. I have lived with her drinking/adhd/mh/emotional dysregulation/self harm/vaping/smoking/anorexia/reckless behaviour/abuse for years now. Despite her being only 22yo!! She has had psychotherapy/DBT/quetiapine/sertraline/venaflexine/elvanse/amfexa/aripiprazole/concerta , a psychiatrist who misdiagnosed her with bipolar, thousands spent on trying to help her.
NOTHING has worked and she is so disillusioned with ‘help’ that she has given up. And so have I.
I no longer offer her ‘support’ in this way. I have learnt that it won’t work until she’s ready and unless she believes it will.
But I am always kind and calm and supportive in a motherly way (even though she hates being mothered!). I can’t be anything else, I am her mother after all.
But…. I KNOW she has to be the one to decide to access help. She knows I will pay for rehab for her the minute she decides she is ready.
But right now, I just sit and watch. And try to cope the best I can
😪

Anjelika · 09/03/2026 12:55

My experience of Al-Anon is just like the ones described here! I was at absolute rock bottom when I went to one of their meetings - a bewildered mother of 3 young kids with a DH in the throes of addiction. No sharing of thoughts/feelings or situations. Very rigid formula - they picked one of the 12 steps and went round the room asking everyone for an example of what it meant to them. I never went back. I am tempted to give SMART friends and family a go. My DH is currently in a period of sobriety but, as we all know, this won't last.

pasanda · 09/03/2026 13:01

Anjelika · 09/03/2026 12:55

My experience of Al-Anon is just like the ones described here! I was at absolute rock bottom when I went to one of their meetings - a bewildered mother of 3 young kids with a DH in the throes of addiction. No sharing of thoughts/feelings or situations. Very rigid formula - they picked one of the 12 steps and went round the room asking everyone for an example of what it meant to them. I never went back. I am tempted to give SMART friends and family a go. My DH is currently in a period of sobriety but, as we all know, this won't last.

Exactly the same. No mutual support offered. I won’t be trying again but will definitely try Smart now

Penguinsandspaniels · 09/03/2026 13:03

Oh I know you aren’t being critical - just you want a happy ending

we were all naive. I should have stayed apart the first time so feb 2022 so would be 4yrs now but I wanted us to work. He just didn’t sadly

Penguinsandspaniels · 09/03/2026 13:05

pasanda · 09/03/2026 12:53

I absolutely accept that right now, she is nowhere near ready for help. She is nowhere near being able to commit to sobriety. Would not manage the hard work this entails. I have lived with her drinking/adhd/mh/emotional dysregulation/self harm/vaping/smoking/anorexia/reckless behaviour/abuse for years now. Despite her being only 22yo!! She has had psychotherapy/DBT/quetiapine/sertraline/venaflexine/elvanse/amfexa/aripiprazole/concerta , a psychiatrist who misdiagnosed her with bipolar, thousands spent on trying to help her.
NOTHING has worked and she is so disillusioned with ‘help’ that she has given up. And so have I.
I no longer offer her ‘support’ in this way. I have learnt that it won’t work until she’s ready and unless she believes it will.
But I am always kind and calm and supportive in a motherly way (even though she hates being mothered!). I can’t be anything else, I am her mother after all.
But…. I KNOW she has to be the one to decide to access help. She knows I will pay for rehab for her the minute she decides she is ready.
But right now, I just sit and watch. And try to cope the best I can
😪

No words I can offer just a very unlike mn hug x

Fibblet · 09/03/2026 13:51

Alanon was hopeless for me too… I didn’t want to hold hands and pray, or read from a leaflet. It felt like a weird cult!

CharlotteByrde · 09/03/2026 14:54

Thinking of you all. @Isthisit2025, I would take some time off. I did not, and although I found work helpful as a distraction and an escape from home/him, I still feel I should have focused on my own mental health far more than I did at the time and am still paying for that now. So if you feel you need a break, take one.

AcrossthePond55 · 09/03/2026 15:37

@pasanda Everyone is welcome here! It doesn't matter if 'our' addict necks a handle of vodka or drinks 3 beers a day. It is the affect of their drinking on us that matters.

@wouldratgerbeunknown I hope all is going well for you. Not asking for an update, just sending 'hugs and hope'.

When I found this group I was already past the 'this is scary' phase as I was smack in the middle of the nightmare already. But I can understand that a glimpse of the futures that some of us have already lived can be overwhelming.

Penguinsandspaniels · 09/03/2026 17:58

Same as across the pond. I found this group after I had left dh - but I wish’s I did it sooner. But equally I know I had to try one more time incase - I now know no matter what I do or say - or his kids - that he will never stop lying and will never stop drinking

pasanda · 10/03/2026 08:58

Thanks all for the reassuring comments. This is such a supportive thread and I’m glad I found it.
After she woke up yesterday afternoon DD was in agony with abdominal and kidney pain. We got some antibiotics but she didn’t want to take them unless the pain came back (ibuprofen had knocked it out). She was asleep when I went to bed so I’m not sure how she is but two things struck me. One, how can she put so much ‘shit’ into her body, but be very reluctant to put something that may help her into her body! 🤷‍♀️
secondly, is it bad that I hoped she had a severe kidney infection and would need to go to hospital and be on IV antibiotics? She is severely, severely needle phobic and has consistently refused any blood tests so this perhaps would’ve given an opportunity to find out about her liver & kidney function and nutritional status.

Userccjlnhibibljn8 · 10/03/2026 11:09

Coming here for a brain dump, and I will give this post a content warning for unpleasant content, and it is probably more for those of us 'on the other side'....

It is just on 2 years since I last saw my husband alive and that is unsurprisingly triggering lots of thoughts. I'll preface this with the statement I am doing OK, and rationally and emotionally I know that life is better now, and I am much healthier in myself. I stopped seeing my therapist regularly a few months ago.

But I am getting to thinking about my husband's state of mind, he was (based on my own armchair psychiatry) definitely exhibiting signs of extreme anxiety, paranoia and possibly psychosis. Our last conversation was totally bonkers to my mind, and dangerous as it was had while he was physically surrounded by replica guns, airguns, knives and a working cross bow. While I didn't quite think he would use them on me I wasn't sure, and he was talking about using them on terrorists that might have been threatening me, and that was the thing that lead me to call the police as I was no longer sure that I was safe. Throughout our relationship he expressed deep anxiety when I was not with him - for example telling me I should not be going to see my elderly parents on a rainy day because the 1 hour drive was not safe. Controlling behaviour definitely, but also bound in a world of anxiety he lived in.

He would never seek or accept help for this, because he wanted a shot gun license and felt that any contact with a doctor would mean he would not get one. So he self medicated with Alcohol and had done from long before I knew him.

However with all this knowledge and understanding I still find it really hard to not feel guilty that I took the actions to kick him out, and then reinforced them by getting the needed court orders. This step sent him on his final spiral and 8 months later he took his own life.

I read so many threads here about situations where it is obvious to an outsider that a poster should LTB, but the power of hope, and love means that you don't. I did at a point that it became unbearable, and now I feel that I have been robbed of the opportunity even to grieve his death honestly, or to tell him that I still loved him, but could not sustain my life with him.

I am confident even through his control, alcohol and anxiety he genuinely loved me, while I continued to enable him he had moments of clarity, but then the shadow overtook him again, and finally I had to get out as those moments became less and less. Human nature says you want to protect those you love, thinking of people who jump into rivers to save their dogs and then drown, and realising I finally lost my compassion and took the step to save myself first and that feels selfish and the nag of guilt is still there.

Writing this down tells me I probably do need another session with my therapist, but to those who have been there, does this reasonate, is there anything you have done that helps bring the rational thoughts to the front, and reduce the guilt.

Zebracat · 10/03/2026 11:44

@Userccjlnhibibljn8 . Oh my dear, anniversaries are so hard. Please arrange an appointment with your counsellor. You did the right thing, and you know you did. It’s very sad that he didn’t seek help and that he took his own life, but it would have been so much worse if, in his psychotic state, he had harmed others. And he had the means to do so. Imagine If you hadn’t acted, and then he had gone on some wild rampage, awful. The pattern for so many of us seems to have been that we accepted a bonkers world view and suppressed our own needs for years, but then castigate ourselves for finally saying no. I’m really glad you saved yourself.

pointythings · 10/03/2026 11:54

@Userccjlnhibibljn8 it's time. That's the only thing that works. You're 2 years out and so the anniversaries are still awful. Time wears it away. I'm almost 8 years out, and it's really only since Christmas that the DC and I feel we're at peace. For us, what helped was going through his stuff in the loft and finding a lot of good memories that had been buried for years. Everything is a lot more balanced now.

I second going back to your therapist, because you're hitting the next stage of what absolutely is complex bereavement. You needn't weather it alone.

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Penguinsandspaniels · 10/03/2026 12:57

That’s a lot of you to digest and I’m hearing guilt in your post

it is not your fault he killed his self

your actions of kicking him out did not make this happen

he was in charge of his own life and actions

I get the guilt. I have it with dh no 1 but you have to make peace with it or you will go crazy

Isthisit2025 · 10/03/2026 13:50

@pasanda My DS is the same. Consumes copious amounts of illegal substances but won’t take antidepressants that may actually help his mood if he tried them.

AcrossthePond55 · 10/03/2026 14:03

@Userccjlnhibibljn8

I'm still smack in the middle of it but your statement "I am confident even through his control, alcohol and anxiety he genuinely loved me" resonates.

I have no doubt that despite all the insanity and drinking my DH loves me deeply. I think yours did you, too. They just can't/couldn't love us 'the right way' due to their addiction. But as I've said to DH when he tells me how much he loves me "Love has never been the issue. The issue is your drinking". I've found peace in accepting that in your and my situation love is/was simply never enough.

I had therapy many years ago. And my therapist told me during our last session to remember that just like with a car sometimes a 'tune up' is needed. So, see your therapist, you may be due for that tune up.

Penguinsandspaniels · 10/03/2026 14:58

I’m not convinced dh loved me at the end. He said he did. He says he does now. Or does he miss the good life he had with me

he certainly loves vodka more than he loved me - or dd - or his other kids - or anything tbh

AcrossthePond55 · 10/03/2026 16:17

Penguinsandspaniels · 10/03/2026 14:58

I’m not convinced dh loved me at the end. He said he did. He says he does now. Or does he miss the good life he had with me

he certainly loves vodka more than he loved me - or dd - or his other kids - or anything tbh

Oh, they defo love alcohol more than us. And I'm sure they miss the lives they so cavalierly threw away.

The love they feel for us isn't love as you and I know it. It isn't a healthy, unselfish love at all. It's 'love' as they see it through their distorted brains. I think an addict can only feel a selfish love based on what they want. And that's certainly not a love we want or can depend on.

I've come to accept that. And now DH's protestations of love do not touch me in any way. They're like water off a duck's back.

pointythings · 10/03/2026 17:09

I think they love us insofar as they are capable of love outside their addiction. It's a love that is made of habits and it runs on autopilot, badly. They need to continue loving us to maintain their self image as 'a good guy', but in reality their loving us has no.morr deep meaning than them putting on their socks.

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AcrossthePond55 · 10/03/2026 18:26

but in reality their loving us has no.morrdeep meaning than them putting on their socks.

@pointythings

This is so true. I guess that's what I mean by 'not love as we know it'. No, it has no meaning because it's not 'love in action' as real love is. It's love that sits back and takes but gives nothing of value in return. Just words.

And that's painful when you're still in the 'helping' stage. Our 'honest love' runs smack up against their 'selfish love'. And we always come out the worst for it.

LavenderFieldds · 11/03/2026 09:35

AcrossthePond55 · 10/03/2026 18:26

but in reality their loving us has no.morrdeep meaning than them putting on their socks.

@pointythings

This is so true. I guess that's what I mean by 'not love as we know it'. No, it has no meaning because it's not 'love in action' as real love is. It's love that sits back and takes but gives nothing of value in return. Just words.

And that's painful when you're still in the 'helping' stage. Our 'honest love' runs smack up against their 'selfish love'. And we always come out the worst for it.

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This is exactly where I’m at. We went away for a holiday last week, I booked it to coincide with our 10th anniversary. Got a text message from
him while I was out entertaining the children whilst he had a lie in, saying “happy anniversary, my love”. That was it. And in the meantime, he bought alcohol and a £30 piece of beef for himself. I had a fancy coffee for £4.95 and felt guilty because we don’t really have the money. He just takes, takes, takes.

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