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Penguinsandspaniels · 20/02/2026 20:24

Nogoodusername · 20/02/2026 18:05

That’s very true @AcrossthePond55. I had to give up hope that my Ex would ever get on top of his addiction in order to be able to break free of him, save myself and leave him. I still wish he would recover because it’s a shit life and his amazing daughters deserve better. But I made the final break when I really gave up hope. I don’t think he will ever be in any form of sustained recovery, I think alcohol will kill him - either from an accident, or ill health or suicide. I am not paralysed by hope any more (two years was enough). I’m still bloody furious at him mind you, shocked and sad, but I don’t hope and so I am rebuilding my life now.

I could have written this

word for word

HowardTJMoon · 20/02/2026 21:24

Nogoodusername · 20/02/2026 18:05

That’s very true @AcrossthePond55. I had to give up hope that my Ex would ever get on top of his addiction in order to be able to break free of him, save myself and leave him. I still wish he would recover because it’s a shit life and his amazing daughters deserve better. But I made the final break when I really gave up hope. I don’t think he will ever be in any form of sustained recovery, I think alcohol will kill him - either from an accident, or ill health or suicide. I am not paralysed by hope any more (two years was enough). I’m still bloody furious at him mind you, shocked and sad, but I don’t hope and so I am rebuilding my life now.

This is heart-breakingly accurate. I gave up hope with my ex when I realised that out of me and her, I was the only one who wanted her to stop drinking for good. She didn't. She just wanted to get back to "normal" drinking. By that point she'd tried and failed so many times that I lost any expectation of her ever being able to achieve it.

I wasted years in the wait-and-see of hoping that she'd finally turn the corner and we'd get to the life I envisaged for us. And all the time I was stuck in wait-and-see of what might be our future, I was ignoring the reality of what I, and our children, were actually living through day after day. "Nothing changes, if nothing changes". It's an incredibly trite and deeply irritating phrase but, my god, is it true. I reached the point where I could no longer bear what my life with her had become so something had to change and I had to be the one to change it.

AcrossthePond55 · 20/02/2026 22:05

pointythings · 20/02/2026 20:08

I agree that life with an addict changes you, but I don't think it's necessarily for the worse. Yes, I am tougher than I used to be - that really helped when my mum died; I was able to balance grieving with all the horrific life admin that comes with a death. It also really helped when my DC had their struggles with mental health. I was able to support without getting panicky or overly emotional, which made it easier for them to accept my advice.

Lastly, I wouldn't be able to support others both here and in RL without my experiences, so silver linings.

Thank you for this. It gives me hope that when this is over I will have found my silver linings, too.

I think what I regret losing is my sense of trust in life (DH would call it naïveté), of knowing my place in the world. I had really bad times before I met DH (2 abusive relationships) and I thought I'd finally found my 'happy place'. Well, I did find it and it lasted 38 years. At my age I hope I have the energy to find my new one. I know it's out there.

Nogoodusername · 20/02/2026 22:08

There is something truly comforting about everyone relating to my post - it makes me feel like I wasn’t insane and wasn’t me. Thank you. I know it, but it gives me so much strength to hear it.

There is a huge amount of something similar to ‘sunk costs fallacy’ isn’t there @HowardTJMoon in those years where you stay. As a non addict, you feel sheer disbelief that this really could be ‘it’, that they may never get into sustainable recovery. It feels unimaginable - how on earth could you be prepared to put up with this life of chaos and conflict rather than give up the substance and return to what we had before/ move onto the really good life we could have together/ as a family. I also had an amount of - he has to recover and I can’t walk away or all the hell I have gone through to this point will have been for nothing. Then as you said, at some point there is the realisation that ‘nothing changes if nothing changes’ - and it’s give up hope and save yourself. You can’t save them. You can save yourself and any children. It’s a realisation so shocking akin to a gut punch I think.

My Ex also doesn’t really want to stop drinking for good @HowardTJMoon. He says it in rehab, or in the immediate days post rehab, but faced with a choice between surfing the waves of cravings and doing the hard work daily of a life without the crutch of alcohol? No. He wants the substance. Or he wants the substance when he wants it without physical dependency (so drinking ‘normally’ I guess - lots of poor me about how everyone else is allowed to drink with their mates or to celebrate or when stressed. True, but none of those people are dependent on it and withdraw by 2am are they)/ Or perhaps more accurately, he wants us all to let him continue to rely on the crutch of alcohol to celebrate and numb and function without losing anything. The boundaries make him furious. How dare we (ex wife, ex partner me, siblings, social services, friends, business contacts) expect him to give up his alcohol for good. We should unconditionally support him because he is a person in need. Don’t we realise how hard his life is and how special a case he is? I mean this seriously as well - Ex is constantly telling me how out of everyone in whatever rehab/ support group/ AA meeting it is way harder for him to give up because of ND/ mental health/ childhood trauma/ and then of course everything he has lost from addiction - family, wife, me, children, business. I spent days of my life trying to argue that point - that he lost those things because of addiction, that he relapsed twice before losing overnight contact (and eventually all contact), that his business failed because clients couldn’t trust him anymore because he was under the influence or lazy and unreliable, of people who he had mentioned who had just as much to overcome as him. Crucially, trying to persuade him that he had to put in the daily hard work now to get all of those things back in the future. It’s so freeing not to ever have to have those conversations anymore. I can read all the emails, tick off which mood in Ex it is this month, but ultimately live my life.

Nogoodusername · 20/02/2026 22:10

In the end, not only did I finally manage to give up hope, but I also found a way to give up that guilt about abandoning - the realisation that the spiral had happened under my watch, so clearly destroying myself physically and mentally for years wasn’t even helping him recover therefore what was the point. I was setting myself on fire to try and keep him warm and he was still cold.

AcrossthePond55 · 20/02/2026 22:16

@Penguinsandspaniels

where is Rock bottom ? as afaik dh hit that 2yrs ago being kicked out by me and losing everything

You'd have thought so, wouldn't you? I would've thought the same about DH losing me, his sons, and his dog. But he didn't. And neither has yours. I have no idea what their 'rock bottom' could possibly be if it's not the loss of love. It think it must be something neither you nor I could even imagine.

But you know what? I think that for some of them there really IS no 'rock bottom'. No matter what happens the drink will still be more important. I guess that's why they die as a result of alcoholism. No loss of love nor family, no illness or physical infirmity, for many of them not even sleeping on the streets, nothing is more important to them than that next drink.

Nogoodusername · 20/02/2026 22:18

Like your Ex @Penguinsandspaniels, my Ex’s rock bottom will be death. Nothing that any normal person would consider to be rock bottom has been so far - loss of wife, partner, kids (not seen or spoken to them at all in almost a year now), house, rented flat, business, health, fitness, friends

Penguinsandspaniels · 20/02/2026 22:26

Def not insane @Nogoodusername tho least your dh went to rehab. Mine refused

and yes I’ve said before that dh said it’s ok for you. You can drink every night (erm no I don’t)

in a Whiney voice

why can’t I have one - erm coz you can’t stop at one. Or your one is one bottle not one shot

HowardTJMoon · 20/02/2026 22:33

AcrossthePond55 · 20/02/2026 22:16

@Penguinsandspaniels

where is Rock bottom ? as afaik dh hit that 2yrs ago being kicked out by me and losing everything

You'd have thought so, wouldn't you? I would've thought the same about DH losing me, his sons, and his dog. But he didn't. And neither has yours. I have no idea what their 'rock bottom' could possibly be if it's not the loss of love. It think it must be something neither you nor I could even imagine.

But you know what? I think that for some of them there really IS no 'rock bottom'. No matter what happens the drink will still be more important. I guess that's why they die as a result of alcoholism. No loss of love nor family, no illness or physical infirmity, for many of them not even sleeping on the streets, nothing is more important to them than that next drink.

Yup. I thought with my ex that us splitting up would be her rock bottom - after all, she repeatedly told me that it was all my fault so if we were no longer together there'd be no reason for her to drink like that, right?

hen I thought that Social Services getting involved would be it. Then I thought that our children going on the Child Protection Register would be the line in the sand for her. After that it was her being told that she can't be trusted to have our children overnight - surely that would be enough? And then when it was decided that she couldn't even see them unless she'd passed a breathalyser test. And then when she lost her driving license for drink-driving. After that she went to rehab and was sober for a whole year and I was so hopeful that it was the turning point. But then she started drinking again and had seizures - that's got to be the wake-up call. And then when she was hospitalised for weeks due to ascites, oesophageal varices and liver damage...

It turned out that her rock bottom was death.

AcrossthePond55 · 20/02/2026 22:57

@HowardTJMoon

You know what hurts? It's realizing how little we meant to them. I know it's an addiction and addiction is a disease, but it's still so painful that we mean/meant so little to them when they meant everything to us. Hurts even worse that it's the same for the children, too. I guess you could say that I'm 'lucky' that my sons are grown and able to see their dad through adult eyes. How much more terrible it is for you and others who have had to try to explain things to young children.

HowardTJMoon · 20/02/2026 23:15

AcrossthePond55 · 20/02/2026 22:57

@HowardTJMoon

You know what hurts? It's realizing how little we meant to them. I know it's an addiction and addiction is a disease, but it's still so painful that we mean/meant so little to them when they meant everything to us. Hurts even worse that it's the same for the children, too. I guess you could say that I'm 'lucky' that my sons are grown and able to see their dad through adult eyes. How much more terrible it is for you and others who have had to try to explain things to young children.

I know where you're coming from but, kindly, you're not seeing the reality of addiction.

They're not continuing to drink because we're less important to them than alcohol. They're continuing to drink because THEY are less important than alcohol. Deep down they know what damage it's causing them but addictions are built of lies. For every lie they tell us about their drinking they're telling themselves a hundred. And every one of those lies has, at its core, a self-serving justification to continue drinking.

It's nothing to do with us. They don't drink because of us, and they won't stop drinking because of us. They drink because they're alcoholics and if they ever do stop they'll do it for their own reasons. It's a battle between them and their addiction. We're just collateral damage.

pasanda · 20/02/2026 23:25

pointythings · 20/02/2026 18:55

I agree with giving up hope, actually. The person in my group whose DS turned it around did that. She properly detached and it actually worked for the whole family. Very difficult to do though.

When you say 'I have to live with it' @pasanda does your daughter live with you? Because that is a boundary you can set, should you choose to do so.

She does still live at home yes. But is probably at her friends house 5/7 nights a week. This is how I can cope with - because I don’t see her at her worst.

AcrossthePond55 · 20/02/2026 23:26

HowardTJMoon · 20/02/2026 23:15

I know where you're coming from but, kindly, you're not seeing the reality of addiction.

They're not continuing to drink because we're less important to them than alcohol. They're continuing to drink because THEY are less important than alcohol. Deep down they know what damage it's causing them but addictions are built of lies. For every lie they tell us about their drinking they're telling themselves a hundred. And every one of those lies has, at its core, a self-serving justification to continue drinking.

It's nothing to do with us. They don't drink because of us, and they won't stop drinking because of us. They drink because they're alcoholics and if they ever do stop they'll do it for their own reasons. It's a battle between them and their addiction. We're just collateral damage.

That's really profound. Thank you for giving me a different perspective

pasanda · 20/02/2026 23:40

Hellodarkness- thank you.
when you wrote that you were where I am a year ago…. That scared me. It is a horrendous thought that this will continue for another month, let alone another year.

I had a glimmer of hope earlier. She asked me to drop off something for her at the pub. She was there with her friend ‘jack’ and was still drunk. He had taken a sickie because he was concerned for her today. I actually managed to voice my thoughts to her knowing that with his presence and in a public place, she wouldn’t get irate and antsy with me. I told her I was scared she would die. Jack agreed. Was also concerned. Said they would go back to his and just chill out for the evening. He seemed to recognise she needed to stop. She even called me on the way back asking for me to get her some help. As I said, a tiny glimmer!

totally crushed later on when I saw her in the pub with jack at 9pm. Pissed.

I honestly don’t know how her tiny body is still standing.

pasanda · 20/02/2026 23:41

i meant to also ask, is your son keen for the detox? Is it something he has asked for?

Penguinsandspaniels · 21/02/2026 08:27

Sorry that your wife died @HowardTJMoon. How recent /long ago ?

death will be ex Rock bottom I fear. Whether stroke -heart attack - bleeding from stomach - falling over and hitting head etc

when he does drink after 1/2w of not as no money - he always then has s&d after - which he says is a bug - amazing he gets a bug every month

his body is telling him no more - yet he continues

I don’t think he wants to get sober as still tells people he isn’t drinking or hasn’t had a drink for weeks /months

so many lies

Hellodarknes55 · 21/02/2026 08:55

pasanda · 20/02/2026 23:41

i meant to also ask, is your son keen for the detox? Is it something he has asked for?

Sorry to scare you. I think it’s good that she made that first request for help. That she actually said it.

We have been through the ups and downs of him not wanting help, not needing help, wanting to cut back a bit but not quit, to now being at a place where he says he wants to quit. I am unconvinced that he means it but he has been asking/ begging /desperate for help for well over 6 months now and has met brick walls. He is terrified if I am honest. Scared to live and scared to die.

He has been having DBT therapy for many months and I think it is helping.

We have been so focussed on the detox but being here in this group has helped me realise that it’s just another step in the process and what follows might be very hard.
So for now, yes he wants the detox. If he steps out of the unit he will be out and they will take his phone on arrival. It’s going to be a big ask.

pasanda · 21/02/2026 13:18

Hellodarknes55 · 21/02/2026 08:55

Sorry to scare you. I think it’s good that she made that first request for help. That she actually said it.

We have been through the ups and downs of him not wanting help, not needing help, wanting to cut back a bit but not quit, to now being at a place where he says he wants to quit. I am unconvinced that he means it but he has been asking/ begging /desperate for help for well over 6 months now and has met brick walls. He is terrified if I am honest. Scared to live and scared to die.

He has been having DBT therapy for many months and I think it is helping.

We have been so focussed on the detox but being here in this group has helped me realise that it’s just another step in the process and what follows might be very hard.
So for now, yes he wants the detox. If he steps out of the unit he will be out and they will take his phone on arrival. It’s going to be a big ask.

I found out this morning that dd is doing coke most nights and has now started on Valium. She told her friend that she likes doing it and enjoys it. Says she’s too far gone to stop. Admitted she had an app to log what she takes every day. Like she’s proud of it. Her ‘friend’ jack enables it all.
I wish for her to go to detox

I am totally helpless and can only watch from afar
All I do is cry

Nogoodusername · 21/02/2026 16:53

I’m so sorry @pasanda. my Ex’s ‘main/ primary’ addition is alcohol but he was also addicted to coke for a year ish - taking it 4 times a week. It’s absolutely evil for mental health and mood; I think it is mixed with god knows what these days and also they don’t sleep on it. It made hmm utterly vile - mean, aggressive, lacking in any compassion.

I really would advise you to get support - if you do SMART friends and family it is online and so might feel more anonymous? You really should ditch any shame though. You haven’t caused this and can’t cure it. It isn’t your shame to carry. They will really help you to find the strength to set boundaries that may help your DD in the long run (as enabling, in whatever form and however limited, only prolongs the crisis at your expenses) but will allow you to build a more peaceful life.

Hellodarknes55 · 21/02/2026 21:20

Blimey @pasanda. That’s a lot.
Will she still drive on all that?
Sending some love and light your way. I dont have any advice. I would just suggest that you need to take care of yourself.
The path is very rocky and we didn’t choose it.

We are feeding vodka to our son whilst we wait for the detox. I often buy 5 litres of vodka at a time and every time I receive comments from strangers. I go into full detail at every occasion about the alcoholic I am feeding and how it has devastated not only his life but mine.
Being really open and honest has helped me immensely. I have no shame. 9 times out of 10 the stranger has a close link to an alcoholic or a drug addict and will share a minute or two of support.
When I was a kid (in the 70s and 80s) friends of my parents were dying because of addiction and it was whispers behind closed doors and hiding bottles. I refuse to skulk about. I won’t cover for him.
After detox I will never buy him another drop. I am fully aware that it’s unlikely he will succeed but that’s my line in the sand now and I am clinging to it.

Take care of yourself.

Penguinsandspaniels · 21/02/2026 22:08

How much vodka Are you feeding your son?

5litres would last dh 5 days. He does a bottle a day when has money

do you mean you limit /give him a shot of it every few hours

Hellodarknes55 · 21/02/2026 22:19

Penguinsandspaniels · 21/02/2026 22:08

How much vodka Are you feeding your son?

5litres would last dh 5 days. He does a bottle a day when has money

do you mean you limit /give him a shot of it every few hours

He is down to 22 units a day. So over half a litre a day. He started nearer to 40 (a litre) Honestly, I was buying 2 bottles at a time to begin but buying vodka every few days was crushing me. Plus we cannot keep any alcohol in the house as he removes doors/locks etc. so my car boots have all our booze, household chemicals (which he likes to drink) and from time to time all our meds. We feed it to him through the day as we were told that his mental health is too awful for him to stop drinking.
Yup, it makes zero sense to me.
Been doing this since last August. Hopefully detox will be in the next 4 weeks.

Penguinsandspaniels · 21/02/2026 22:50

I would almost say that isn’t a lot v what dh drinks when has money

he will do a 700 bottle daily so 28 units or heading up to 200 a week

seems crazy that he’s having that amount since aug where if gave less a week over three months he may have been off it via your detox

how will his mh suddenly be better in detox when no booze

pointythings · 21/02/2026 22:52

Penguinsandspaniels · 21/02/2026 22:50

I would almost say that isn’t a lot v what dh drinks when has money

he will do a 700 bottle daily so 28 units or heading up to 200 a week

seems crazy that he’s having that amount since aug where if gave less a week over three months he may have been off it via your detox

how will his mh suddenly be better in detox when no booze

If you're in a medically managed detox, you get other medication to help you cope with the no booze. It's usually sedatives and the like. Meanwhile, because alcohol is a depressant, mood can improve if there is no alcohol being taken.

Once you're through detox, you're into the really hard work of addressing the reasons for the alcohol use, and that is often where it falls down. My late husband never got past the 'it's because of my wife' bullshit.

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Penguinsandspaniels · 21/02/2026 23:24

Is there always a reason why they drink ?

or some kind of trauma in their childhood or past

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