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The support thread for anyone trying to lead an alcohol free life.

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WendyWagon · 30/06/2024 08:50

Hello and welcome. We are a bunch of people (mainly women) trying to give up alcohol. No judgement, just honest support and kindness
The original thread was started by @drybird2020 in 2020 and we have plenty of veterans who can offer advice and signposting.

We don't encourage moderation purely as it can be triggering for some to read.

I'm Wendy and I'll be the captain of the ship for the next two months or so.
I gave up drinking in January 2022.

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southernbelles · 06/07/2024 16:40

Crunchymum · 06/07/2024 15:07

I don't know what else is going on in your life @southernbelles so I won't offer any false hope that being AF will fix everything.

But I can tell you that we've all been there to some degree. We've all had that feeling of wanting to give up, the feeling of desolation and worthlessness, the feelings of not wanting to be here, the feelings of not wanting to carry on.

I never wanted to give up on life per se but drinking was such a part of my life they sometimes felt like one and the same.

I still have a lot of work to do, I still have issues in my life that cause me great pain but since I stopped drinking I've never felt that same level of despair about things. I have shit days and shit times but I've never dragged down to that level since I've been sober.

Be very kind to yourself, show yourself the same compassion and kindness you would show a friend or loved one in this situation.

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I honestly don't think I deserve kindness, I need bringing in line!

southernbelles · 06/07/2024 16:41

But at the same time I very much appreciate the sentiment ❤️

WendyWagon · 06/07/2024 16:58

@southernbelles kindness is the best medicine.
I didn't drink in the week until I did. I have wfh a lot and managed to get the booze in by 6-7pm and then it was out of my system by the morning, that was my screwed reasoning!
I am the queen of shameful stories. Dancing, singing, speaking in Latin to show off when someone was being rude to me (I can't really speak it but I can read it) . The worst, flashing my Spanx. Still living that one down.
My DH has been really helpful to me. We're lucky. A supportive spouse is rare.
I would advise you get the booze out of the house for a few months. It worked for me. Others were probably OK. I wouldn't have been.
Get some porridge down you (much better than a big fry up), bananas too.
Early to bed.

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Onewildandpreciouslife · 06/07/2024 17:58

Welcome @southernbelles . I get it. Alcohol turns off that anxiety, so for a short period of time, you feel free, and you don’t want that feeling to end. Your comment about not wanting to come home at 745 really struck home for me - I remember those days well.

The truth is, though, that alcohol massively increases anxiety. It makes your cortisol levels rocket, and it takes about 10 days for them to get back to normal levels. I have been amazed how much my anxiety levels have improved since going sober.

There is a great quote by an author called Laura McOwen, which is something like “The question is not “is this bad enough I have to change?” But “ are things good enough to stay the same?”. And underneath it all, the question “am I free?””

EastCoastDamsel · 06/07/2024 18:41

@WendyWagon (and all the others) is 💯 right @southernbelles

Being kind to yourself is absolutely the key. I love this quote from the start of Laura McKowen's "We are the Luckiest"

"1. It is not your fault.

  1. It is your responsibility.
  2. It is unfair that this is your thing.
  3. This is your thing.
  4. This will never stop being your thing until you face it.
  5. You cannot do it alone.
  6. Only you can do it.
  7. I love you.
  8. I will never stop reminding you of these things."

Alcohol is an addictive poison that changes our brain chemistry and makes us feel like weak, useless failures that don't deserve kindness. But we absolutely are worth it, just as we are.

We have arrived at our AirBnB in Belgium. DH is watching the football and I am relaxing with a Hoegaarden Rose 0.0% Raspberry AF Beer. Delicious.

Day 35 AF

EastCoastDamsel · 06/07/2024 18:44

Good luck at the music festival this weekend @bornonvalentines and your new day 1.

Really glad you came back .

southernbelles · 06/07/2024 18:50

Onewildandpreciouslife · 06/07/2024 17:58

Welcome @southernbelles . I get it. Alcohol turns off that anxiety, so for a short period of time, you feel free, and you don’t want that feeling to end. Your comment about not wanting to come home at 745 really struck home for me - I remember those days well.

The truth is, though, that alcohol massively increases anxiety. It makes your cortisol levels rocket, and it takes about 10 days for them to get back to normal levels. I have been amazed how much my anxiety levels have improved since going sober.

There is a great quote by an author called Laura McOwen, which is something like “The question is not “is this bad enough I have to change?” But “ are things good enough to stay the same?”. And underneath it all, the question “am I free?””

Thank you, this is so true. I had no idea about the cortisol levels for 10 day thing though!

Excessive drinking at social occasions started when I had an awful abusive boyfriend years ago. He drank every day & masses on social occasions, & became nastier on these occasions. I remember one night I was matching each pint he had with a large glass of wine. 5 glasses in & I threw up on the pavement outside in full view of everyone, that was a low point. I was with him for 6 years & it was hell, & unfortunately drinking alcohol was how I coped. I hate admitting this. I'm no longer in a bad situation but I can see how I developed drinking alcohol as a coping mechanism. The way I consume it now is very different; it's far less frequent & far less in terms of volume, but still more than I want.

I have had a far more positive afternoon; I've just come back from a lovely sunny walk with my boys & it was just beautiful ❤️ still feeling ropey but better than I did.

WendyWagon · 06/07/2024 18:54

@bornonvalentines welcome back.
@EastCoastDamsel the AF beer sounds great.

I shall be in bed early tonight. I've had two AF Gordon's cans. I stuck a small piece of lamb in the air fryer. Lovely with couscous. Son and daughter not here.
I think I need new pyjamas. I might order some David Napier ones. My late mother had their nighties. They never wore out.
Coffee ice cream next folks.

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REP22 · 06/07/2024 19:53

I am glad to hear that your day is working out OK @southernbelles - sounds like you have some great men (big and little!) in your life.

Thank you for sharing part of your story. Lots of it resonate. For a long time I smoked as well as drank. I gave up smoking but drink seemed to take more of a hold as people liked and laughed more at "confident drunk me", or so I believed, I then used it as a crutch when I was awkward or nervous. It then became, in my mind, a means of "self-medication" to shut out awful dreams, horrendous memories and recollections of an awful, toxic childhood, deal with grief, it goes on, until one day I had real problems trying to live a normal life without my "liquid life-support".

But some people can sink superhuman qualities of spirits and not feel they have an issue. Others can 'only' put away a few glasses of wine in a sitting and KNOW that they have a problem. We are all so different. Something has sparked in you a desire to be different and I am so glad you were brave enough to come looking and find us.

I don't feel that I deserve kindness either. But I'm learning more and more that that is because that was how I was "trained" as a child to be. Judgment and pressure were always factors in my life. I tried to be accepted and loved and was distraught when I was berated or punished in public. But I know now that I never could have succeeded - because I was expected to meet an impossible ideal and failure was inevitable. I was set up to fail. Even now, my M berates me in front of people for my perceived fallings. I took her to coffee this morning with her friends and, when one mentioned having IT troubles, straight away with no reference to me it was "REP22 will come round and fix it for you." Last week she hit me in public because I told a friend a joke she didn't approve of. At a recent big family dinner, where we were about to help ourselves from the table, my M glowered at me as I picked up a plate and spoon and said loudly "Remember, there are other people present...!" I am in my late 40s. 🤬

I don't think it was ever about me. I can't change how she behaves in any of this. She will never change. All I can change is how I react to it. Counselling and therapy have helped immensely. I am also on antidepressants (Mirtazapine. Lovely). A big realisation for me in my own path was realising that alcohol is, as @Onewildandpreciouslife and others have said, a depressant drug (genuinely - this is scientifically proven). It actively counterbalances/cancels out the effects of prescribed medical antidepressants and mood stabilisers. PLUS, it makes us feel anxious, physically sick, guilty, humiliated, ashamed of our antics (once we've sobered-up) and the self-reflection that the post-drinking feeling brings is agonising. Not to mention the knot of fear about what we might have said/done/posted on FB the night before, and wondering how we can face people ever again...

The relief that drinking brings is fleeting at best. It really doesn't last long. And it's a chimera - it isn't an 'upper' or mood-enhancer; it's an anaesthetic. I think it was in one of Catherine Gray's books where she says something like "alcohol is supposed to make you happy - so, if that was true, the more drunk you are, the happier you are. But look at the average city centre at about 3am, drunks falling out of their clothes, puking in doorways, crawling on the pavement, stumbling about crying, being restrained in senseless fights by Police and bouncers. By definition those people, having drunk the most, should be at their most happy. But do those people look happy to you?"

Oh lordy, hark at me, banging on. I'm so sorry. And I'm sorry to go on about me. We've all walked different paths to get us here. But there are some common themes. Difficult families when growing up, unrealistic expectations, abusive relationships. We are all here though, standing on common ground. The difference is that we are standing together. Stand with us, if you want to, we get it, we understand. You are welcome here and we hear you. Your voice matters.

Because we are none of us exactly the same, different things and strategies help different people in different ways. These are the books that helped me the most, @southernbelles : The Sober Diaries: The brave and brilliantly funny memoir that is changing lives: Amazon.co.uk: Pooley, Clare: 9781473661905: Books and The Unexpected Joy of Being Sober: Amazon.co.uk: Gray, Catherine: 9781912023387: Books. They are witty, non-preachy and real. I recognised a lot of myself in Catherine Gray.

I do sincerely apologise for the lengthy overly-personal essay. @WendyWagon - please do forgive me in your merciful wisdom for taking up so much deck-space.

And so, to return to my less-introspective reality, and better indicative of my posts more generally - here's a picture of the dog sh*gging a bluebell.

Strength and love to you all. x

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Sortingmyselfoutdayatatime · 06/07/2024 19:55

Welcome @southernbelles . There are some very wise women on here. I absolutely get the turn down the volume on the anxiety. If you drink enough it briefly turns off. Problem is it doesn’t stay turned off and then the come down just turns the volume up higher than ever.
watching the tennis and drinking sparkling apple juice

NextPhaseOfLife · 06/07/2024 22:30

Ah, @REP22

Your writing is so eloquent evocative. What a life your mum has wasted, not able to glory in and cherish a daughter such as you.

You really are fantastic. And still so young. What adventures you and REPdog are still to have 💕💕💕

Loubelle70 · 07/07/2024 07:15

Im.back 😁.
Hey everyone.
3 month and 1 week sober.
Sorry not posted for couple weeks really busy with work etc.
Hope everyone is ok and strength sent xxxx

Loubelle70 · 07/07/2024 07:19

@REP22 i am so sorry your mother is like that....my mother is exactly the same. I had to go no contact a year a go..for my mental health and self esteem..im a lot better.

EastCoastDamsel · 07/07/2024 08:08

Morning all. Lovely sunny day here. Stayed up playing Scrabble with DH and the kids. It was great fun. Don't remember enjoying a game of Scrabble as much in years.

@REP22 I am so sorry to hear about your M. Our relationships with our parents have such a long lasting impact on us and most of the time we don't even realise it and just believe that it is us that are defective. Amazing that you have been able to get therapy and help you move towards accepting yourself. You have been an amazing support to me and I do look forward to reading your posts (and seeing your lovely doggo). You are an amazing inspiration. Thank you for being here🙏🏻

@WendyWagon without derailing the thread too much. On the skincare front...
I have quite a fair amount of discolouration from growing up in the 80s in a sunny country with a very outdoorsy lifestyle (I was a pony club fanatic and spent every weekend and school holiday at the yard in the desperate hope that one day I would have my own pony - never happened 😥) but very little consideration for sunscreen. I also, unfortunately have had some quite noticeable melasma, especially on my upper lip - which makes me look like I have a moustache.

I have been using low dose tret at night and a niacinamide serum (the ordinary) in the morning along with LED mask and a couple of Tixel treatments and this has so far improved the general texture and some of the discolouration but I am interested in including a good vitamin C serum.

What can you recommend? (On the Vit C front bit also in addition/instead of the the above?)

WendyWagon · 07/07/2024 10:23

Morning all.
Sorry was still in the hammock as feeling a bit perkier 😊

@Loubelle70 Are you nearly at 100 days my friend? A pivotal point.

@REP22 you are a wonderful writer. Never stop on my account or anyone else's. Your mum tales have the effect of giving me flashbacks. Mine as you know was a game player. I console myself that my late dad was great. We all miss him everyday. He lived with us for 18 years. He was the DC Manny.

Skincare.
I use a spf 35 marine cream (not launched yet). I am testing.
Various cleansers
Vit C from a South Korean brand
Night cream same as day without the spf.

@EastCoastDamsel
All acids mean you must wear a sun factor. If you have visable pigmentation I recommend Shiseido concelar. It is amazing. You can get it from most online retailers or pop into Harrods if it near.
I use Mac radience foundation which is serum based.
My skin is line free as I started in beauty as a 15 year old Boots girl.
It's hard to recommend what works for me because I have had the best for free for forty years. I do like Estee Lauder, Clarins and Shiseido. I've tried nearly everything. Beauty pie was great, jeju cream was good. I might sign up again.

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BigFatSoberLife · 07/07/2024 10:31

Hello all!

Interesting to read your Skincare routine is fairly simple @WendyWagon. I've tried everything including botox, but have recently started just doing cleanse, tone, moisturise and I think my skin is happier with less.

I'm also taking collagen, omega 3 oil supplements and healthy diet, loads of water etc and obviously no booze which truly is a top beauty secret imo.

Hay-fever is bothering me a bit, but it's raining today so hopefully that will stop soon.

@REP22 I also love your writing, so don't stop (and please don't stop posting dog pics either 😄).

WendyWagon · 07/07/2024 10:44

@BigFatSoberLife I can't have botox due to a contract restriction. Ditto plastic surgery. Tbh I don't think I need it. Each to their own. A few of my friends have it.

I had the red vein treatment as I had a fair amount of broken veins after all the boozing. I think I had three sessions. It hurt! £60 a session (less than my old weekly booze spend)
Teeth also make people look younger or older. I had a couple of crowns after giving up the grog. The acid in wine had ruined my teeth. Sadly steriods and chemo are having a pop at my teeth now.

I think the 100 day AF mark can show a real difference in your skin, hair and the brightness of your eyes.

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WendyWagon · 07/07/2024 10:45

Oh and eat fish if you're not a veggie. The best skins I see are Scandinavian.

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EastCoastDamsel · 07/07/2024 11:07

Many thanks @WendyWagon .

I do now wear SPF 50 religiously every day no matter the weather and reapply when going out. But the damage that has been done is done sadly.

Will give the Shiseido a go. (Skincare is my new splurge)

BigFatSoberLife · 07/07/2024 11:09

WendyWagon · 07/07/2024 10:44

@BigFatSoberLife I can't have botox due to a contract restriction. Ditto plastic surgery. Tbh I don't think I need it. Each to their own. A few of my friends have it.

I had the red vein treatment as I had a fair amount of broken veins after all the boozing. I think I had three sessions. It hurt! £60 a session (less than my old weekly booze spend)
Teeth also make people look younger or older. I had a couple of crowns after giving up the grog. The acid in wine had ruined my teeth. Sadly steriods and chemo are having a pop at my teeth now.

I think the 100 day AF mark can show a real difference in your skin, hair and the brightness of your eyes.

I had botox twice and tbh didn't quite get the hype 🤷‍♀️. Each to their own as you say, but I wasn't a big fan

REP22 · 07/07/2024 13:28

Good day to you all. @NextPhaseOfLife , @Loubelle70 (great to see you again!), @WendyWagon , @BigFatSoberLife- thank you all so much for your kind words of encouragement and solidarity. I cannot express adequately how much it means to me. ❤💛💙x

Wendy, I am so sorry that my words about my M were triggering of flashbacks for you. I am sorry that you and @Loubelle70 - and others similarly let-down - did not have the parent that you deserved. It's extremely unfair, although none of it was our fault. My own DF was lovely, and often the voice of reason and restraint in our household, although he was something of an enabler, sadly. He was taken very suddenly and tragically a few years ago and was much mourned. The local community remembered him in ways that I had no suspicion of - it was literally standing-room only at his funeral and memorial services (which was great comfort, as I was not allowed to speak in tribute at his services because "I am an embarrassment" c/f M, backed-up by GoldenBallsPuppet DB who lives 5 hours away and visits rarely, if ever) - and so many strangers spoke to me subsequently about Dad; how he soothed a situation with a smile and gentle joke, how he bought a bunch of daffs for the lady in the chemists' because he saw her crying out the back when he went to collect M's prescription, that sort of thing. I am my father's daughter and am very proud of that. I like to think that the best of him lives on in me and I will no longer be cowed by my other parent's attitude towards me and the world. It wounds, but it no longer has any power over me. And I am - hopefully more and more each day - no longer reliant on drink to numb the pain.

I like to keep in mind the poem "This Be the Verse" by the great Philip Larkin. NSFW, but keeps me smiling. 😊

Another sober morning this morning for me. I filled up the bird feeders and planted out my seedlings (night scented stocks and nicotiana) in my garden. There are far too many of them and death is inevitable - my garden is God's waiting room, where even cacti would come to die. But I have planted them all out in the borders and done some weeding, so even the littler ones have at least a chance at life. The dog supervised from his armchair. It wee-ed down with rain and I got absolutely soaked. It was a very happy morning indeed. After I had finished, I sat on the step of my french windows and watched a robin, a blue-tit and a sparrow on the bird feeder. It was so worth being sober and awake for. The number of weekend mornings I have missed because I was too hungover to rise before 3pm are too numerous to count. I wouldn't have missed this morning for £100+.

My M has been going out in her garden every night after dark with a high-beamed torch, picking slugs off her borders and chucking them into her neighbour's garden. I had to return the seedling pots to her this afternoon. The dog helped me to fill one of them with slugs from our garden, which I have quietly replaced beside her gazebo. 😈😉

Hope you are having an OK weekend. Here's Himself at cricket yesterday, actively immersing himself to the full in the day's play.

Strength and love to you all. Keep going. It's tough but it's worth it. xx

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Loubelle70 · 07/07/2024 14:13

@REP22 your dad, although enabled mum, sounds like a lovely gentle soul, im glad he was there yo counteract your mum, in a way. My mum was single parent so we never had dad around but my parental grandparents were amazing, i could cry that they saved my life i feel. Although long since passed, they were loving...caring...warm...never critical of us...i think i wouldnt be alive now if it wasnt for them..im so grateful.
Out of a negative theres a positive ♥️...btw i also look forward to your posts xxxx

Loubelle70 · 07/07/2024 14:14

@WendyWagon aww thanks wendy...yep 100 days nearly. I hope youre ok?. ♥️

WendyWagon · 07/07/2024 14:39

@REP22 you are a very smart person. I wish you lived in the south (I think you said your abode is north). I'd be at the cricket with you on the old seedlip!

I think that because my mother had been so spoilt and was very beautiful she thought she could do as she pleased. Her family were completely odious. My mother was great at putting her own children down. Her remarks re my university and subsequent career didn't quite match up until I sold a company I had shares in.
I was never pretty in her opinion either. A dreadful thing to say to anyone.
The DM could be achingly funny and tiger like, think Joan Rivers crossed with Princess Margaret. However she had to be queen. No ifs or buts.
I didn't realise my drinking stemmed from my childhood bullying until I went into therapy. I thought it was the awful boyfriends. Like most of us I started drinking at 14. However there was no drink in our house so parties only.
The loneliness after my father died was the catalyst for the dependancy but it had started when I moved too far from London and had to give up my big job.
Post the crash things were dire and we took a decade to recover.
However we can all choose a new path and I am actually enjoying life more. My DC chat to me and I've been able to help my daughter. I woulld never want anyone to say I was like my mother!
We are but a work in progress.

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WendyWagon · 07/07/2024 15:27

It is 0.5% I believe

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