Fuck. Russian bomb has hit Poland.

😁😆

Watching as worried

A thread featuring, "where was the trigger warning", to "there is nothing to worry about" a lot of mystic Megs, many in denial, many frighted and apparently we should all behave and believe the exact same thing 🤷

Its lots of noise. But in practical terms there won't be a huge amount of action. There will be something but we are not at Defcon 1.

I'm pretty relaxed about it at this stage.

Next 24hrs will be largely theatre.

What happens next is a political decision more than a military decision.

Thats more predictable than people think, if you understand european politics and levels of other concerns.

Any guided weapon can malfunction..hopefully it mostly happens during testing but fire enough of any brand of weapon, especially under war time conditions and you will get failures..

A report regarding Gulf War One, which saw the first wide spread use of cruise missiles

" Two of the most celebrated weapons of the Persian Gulf War, the Air Force F-117A Stealth attack jet and the Navy Tomahawk cruise missile, struck considerably fewer of their targets than military officials have asserted publicly, according to the most recent classified analysis.......

The Tomahawks, 288 of which were fired from surface ships and submarines in the Persian Gulf, Red Sea and eastern Mediterranean Sea, hit their intended targets slightly more than half the time"

www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-04-10-mn-340-story.html

Reports online say missiles so that sounds like more than one

It definitely wasn't there the first time I read the thread title.

So who did pay you, piper, and whose tune is it?

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You don’t need to be a munitions expert to know that. 🙄

The leaders are going to do what they always do and that’s precisely whatever is in their best interests.

What matters now is how NATO and Poland decide to spin it.

and this was 5 miles over the border. I thought modern missiles were extremely accurate.

Some posters got upset that there was no trigger warning and requested one be added.

I understand them no more than I do the people who think there is nothing to worry about it are certain they know the future.

Nobody knows what a group of leaders will do they each have different objectives, for example Zelinsky is all for Article 5 and keeping me poor, Putin goodness knows what's going on with him, Biden does not seem to know what's going on, Macron isn't wanting to do Nukes.

Poland want to play to the farmers who saw a tractor targeted or have the worst luck ever in the middle of a low population village and in the middle of a field just happen to be blown up, and not an empty bit of field.

They are big they can be jammed or fired at etc.

*but not big

Official statement of Poland's Ministry of Foreign Affairs (English translation):

On 15 November 2022, another hours-long, massive shelling took place of the entire territory of Ukraine and its critical infrastructure by the armed forces of the Russian Federation. At 3:40 pm, a Russia-made missile dropped on the village of Przewodów, district Hrubieszów, Lubelskie province, and resulted in death of two citizens of the Republic of Poland. Therefore, Minister of Foreign Affairs Zbigniew Rau summoned the ambassador of the Russian Federation to Polish MFA and demanded immediate and detailed explanation. - Łukasz Jasina, MFA Spokesperson

Thank you for putting my mind at ease.

The whole situation is so scary, like on a knife edge!

lol Biden doesn't seem to know what's going on sums him up entirely I think 😂

Absolute tripe.

Russia's armed forces are busy getting their arses kicked by their Ukranian neighbours, so much so that they are calling up old men and sending them to the front with no equipment, and they are having to buy ordinance from DPRK just to have something to shoot back with. Russia has absolutely nothing to gain by deliberately provoking NATO as it already has far more on it's plate than it can handle.

The Russian cruise guidance systems are notoriously unreliable and inaccurate, and they've deliberately been flying them close to Ukraine's borders in an attempt to evade detection and Ukrainian air defences. An error like this was inevitable.

Modern weapons can be very accurate, as long as they work...which isn't all the time.

Firstly that artillery shell analogy is a really bad one to use...fire an old style shell and as long as the gun is pointed in the right direction and the right charge is used off the shell goes in a parabola towards the target...nothing for it to do in flight, no moving parts needed to control the flight path.

Modern weapons guided weapons they are much more complicated than that, they actively have to be able to control their route/flight path so they are quite complex and it doesn't take much to go wrong with the workings such as a failed electronic component, hydraulic or mechanical parts breaking and they become completely dumb ..and then off they go, who knows where?

I'm sort of guessing here but a failure rate of maybe 1% overall these days is possibly as good as it gets with NATO kit. Given the Russians have fired hundreds of some types of missiles, and they probably have a higher failure rate than NATO that means there is a good chances a few of those have gone "rogue".

Why on earth would putin want to attack Poland. He has got enough on his hands with Ukraine

Dear, sweet Jesus; you can’t really believe that?

Spot on. Here's a video of a Russian missile launch gone wrong. Complex systems malfunction.

It’s so scary I’m still watching live news coverage and reading online in my bed. Got work tomorrow I don’t think I’m going to be able to sleep. I don’t want us in a war. I don’t even think we should be spending billions giving Ukraine weapons never mind getting our soldiers involved themselves. Zelenskiy is really trying to amp it up

@worraliberty then I apologise and that is bloody ridiculous!! It's pretty clear what it's about! 🤦‍♀️