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Crisis What Crisis? The One You Start To Wish You'd Stockpiled Like Your Crazy Friend? Continuation thread (3)

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RedToothBrush · 22/10/2026 10:05

Previous threads
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5576816-aibu-to-think-my-friend-is-overdoing-emergency-stockpiling?page=1
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5585259-crisis-what-crisis-is-my-friend-over-doing-the-stockpiling-and-am-i-too-continuation-thread-2?page=1

Continuation of the AIBU to think my friend is overdoing emergency stockpiling thread for discussion about the government advice to stockpile for an imminent emergency and what the heck that emergency might actually be.

Spoiler: it's more of a perfect storm of lots of factors coming together to potentially form one great clusterfuck from economic woes, global energy shortages (mainly diesel), potential food shortages, war and madmen to crazy weather patterns rather than a clear identifiable singular thread.
This is a practical thread and a bit of a handhold thread to make sense of events and how they may affect you. This is not an end of the world thread.

Remember an emergency can range from a temporary unexpected event to a much longer crisis but the underlying principles generally stay the same.

This is the official government information and advice, if you want further details on what the actual recommendations are:
https://prepare.campaign.gov.uk/get-prepared-for-emergencies/

ROUGH STATUS REPORT (as of 9am 22nd Oct - please note this isn't fully comprehensive, and is moving FAST)
Civil Unrest reported in:
France, Italy, Greece, Belgium, Albania, Indonesia - multi reasons, but largely due to economic pressures and the cost of living
Spain has had problems but these have temporarily stopped, probably due to significant weather related issues due to the Dana effect
More protests planned for this coming weekend
High Alert in the Middle East:
Netanyahu now committed to regime change in Iran, as he believes they are developing a nuke.
The US has pulled all Embassy Staff from Saudi Arabia and is hoping no one notices that they've ordered personal and families across the Gulf home and then seem to have lied that they have.
The Emir of Qatar has stated at their equivalent of the annual King's Speech at the Opening of Parliament that war was coming and to prepare for the worst scenarios. US pulling planes out of Qatar.
The Egyptian PM has warned the country of severe crisis ahead - given the nature of the country this is related to their alliance with Saudi Arabia and their reliance on the Suez Canal which the Yemeni rebels now control access to and their exposure to famine
Iran is saying if there is another attack, the gloves are off and they'll try and wipe out the middle east oil industry as they go down, as well as hitting critical civilian infrastructure.
Much movement / noise is similar to run up to the first US attacks this year. Debate over whether the attack will come before the Israeli Election or the US Midterms - possibly within 72hours - latest mood music suggests potentially this weekend. Seems to be shifting to a when not if.
Israel election: 27th Oct
Prices and Shortages:
Diesel needs no real reminder - we need it for haulage, mass transportation and farming, we are screwed without it. Fuel Emergency declarations in West Virgina, Kentucky, Michigan, Maryland, Arizona, Nebraska and Texas - typically allowing limited dyed diesel use for ag or commercial vehicles. Illinois and Missouri have also allowed by not under emergency orders. Less reported is the fertiliser shortage and knock on effect, poor yields this year and the effect of El Nino on next years, sulphur export bans and the blockade on Ukrainian and Russian wheat exports which are particularly crucial in feeding North Africa and the Middle East. This is liable to have significant impact on the UK with 6% rises in food already expected next year (and there's every reason to believe this will be higher especially with civil unrest all over the place). Reports of aviation fuel running low in some parts of Europe with emergency supplies (which can't last forever) being used.
El Nino:
See above about farming and also think of disasters - like the ones Spain is facing with flooding. Storm Austin is incoming and there is a weather warning for the South of England with power outages and flooding possible today/tomorrow.
The Internet:
PHP is 70% of the internet. Its got compromised so it can pretty much all be hacked. This is VERY BAD (in capital letters). Many websites offline whilst this is sorted including multiple government ones around the world.
Just AI generally - everything from putting everyone out of work to just hacking and killing us all. No Biggie.
Trump and the Mid Terms:
Trump is firmly losing his marbles. He's defected to Russia, can't stop rambling about men's arses, is waving at non-existent people, his team are known to be considering ways to impose martial law, he's getting heckled at Trump rallies by his own supporters, 83% of all voters think the biggest problem in the US now isn't the cost of living crisis but government corruption. He's being called a traitor by some of his fellow Reds. Mid Terms look a disaster and Trump probably won't accept them. He's reversing bills that Congress passed weeks ago by executive order.
Mid-Terms: 3rd Nov
Ukraine and Russia:
Ukraine facing massive problems still cos Elon has got the ump. Starlink isn't working at face enough speeds. They've bombed a shedload of Data Centres in Russia. This has killed off the Russian Internet and many Trump/Musk supporters in the process (one way or another) which screws up Twitter (and its value) for them. Ukraine is getting blamed for diesel shortages cos they refuse to stop hitting Russian refineries even though it has no choice now its been cut off by the US. Zelenskyy now says Trump isn't an ally. Trump wants Zelensky gone and thinks Putin is being reasonable and Ukraine doesn't want peace. Germany states it would have activated Art5 if the confirmed Russian sabotage attack on Liepzig had been successful.
Russia is apparently planning to step up its sabotage campaign in Europe after having successfully sunk a few boats in EU waters (Romania / Bulgaria - these sinkings have been in both international waters off the coast AND within their official territorial waters).
Economy:
Lots of debt. Much concern over the implications of this particularly with regards to AI and state debt in the US, UK, France and Japan (but not restricted to). Much money put into gold by China. Background of this bad given the approach of potentially multiple crisis.
France Moody's credit review: Due tomorrow 23rd Oct - expected to be not good especially in the current political climate in France
UK Budget: 28th October

They are all interconnected and one or many could tip us into abject chaos. Or not. The risks here are sky high. Of what? Take your pick.

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LegoPandemic · 24/10/2026 11:06

Been prepping in a minor way for a while.
Water - have quite a few 2l bottles and 3 camping water carriers filled.
Food- always have lots of tins/ pasta etc
Camping stove was bought for DS DofE and we also have a gas hob.
Calor gas stove which we occasionally use anyway, for heating one room.
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My main worry is washing.

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FindingMeno · 24/10/2026 11:12

I miss my calor gas heater from back in the day.
They pack a punch heat wise!

LegoPandemic · 24/10/2026 11:16

FindingMeno · 24/10/2026 11:12

I miss my calor gas heater from back in the day.
They pack a punch heat wise!

DS uses an unheated room in our house for his hobby, so we have one in there for the depths of winter.
I’ve bought a spare cylinder this week..

FindingMeno · 24/10/2026 11:21

We had ours when we lived in a house with no heating.
That downstairs, and a paraffin heater upstairs on the landing.

HoraceCope · 24/10/2026 11:55

we had one, dont know why we got rid of it!
took up space i spose

GentleSheep · 24/10/2026 12:20

I've a Soto Fusion Trek camping stove (a bit pricey but I like the wider burner area and that you don't place a pot/pan directly above the stove) as well as a basic British Army cooker that uses solid fuel (Fire Dragon).

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SOTO-Fusion-Detachable-Compact-Regulator/dp/B09NXWKRR5?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&psc=1&smid=A2GBM2433TTBJ

HeckYeah · 24/10/2026 13:44

Just did a £300 shop. Things are so expensive but they are all things we use so nothing will be wasted.

FindingMeno · 24/10/2026 13:46

£300 doesn't even buy shitloads as things are. And it'll only increase in cost.
I am reading " The Mandibles" at the moment. It's very interesting.

HeckYeah · 24/10/2026 13:49

FindingMeno · 24/10/2026 13:46

£300 doesn't even buy shitloads as things are. And it'll only increase in cost.
I am reading " The Mandibles" at the moment. It's very interesting.

No unfortunately far from a shitload. And where I live is even more expensive than the UK. It’s ridiculous really.

HeckYeah · 24/10/2026 13:51

I just googled The Mandibles, sounds interesting, I think I will order it. Thanks.

GentleSheep · 24/10/2026 14:01

Yes right now you can spend a lot yet come home with only a meagre amount. It will only get worse unfortunately, if the fuel/fertiliser crisis bites hard.

Holeymoley28 · 24/10/2026 15:48

Yes my Sainsbury’s shop not a prep shop just a the kids are off for a week small top up came in at £148 and it won’t last the week on the fridge is full and they go nom nom nom that will happen.

Our apple tree is still full of fruit though and a few home grown cucumbers on the vines. Haven’t done anything with the grapes naughty me.

Thankfully they don’t act like locust to the cupboards unless it’s pot noodles 🤣

HeckYeah · 24/10/2026 16:39

I have a huge walnut tree, but the squirrels took them all. Oh well.

HeckYeah · 24/10/2026 16:41

Holeymoley28 · 24/10/2026 15:48

Yes my Sainsbury’s shop not a prep shop just a the kids are off for a week small top up came in at £148 and it won’t last the week on the fridge is full and they go nom nom nom that will happen.

Our apple tree is still full of fruit though and a few home grown cucumbers on the vines. Haven’t done anything with the grapes naughty me.

Thankfully they don’t act like locust to the cupboards unless it’s pot noodles 🤣

You could always just freeze the grapes and eat as snacks or use as ice cubes.

MrsPernicious · 24/10/2026 16:42

HeckYeah · 24/10/2026 16:39

I have a huge walnut tree, but the squirrels took them all. Oh well.

You're gonna hate some fat squirrels to eat when the SHTF 😁

HeckYeah · 24/10/2026 16:43

MrsPernicious · 24/10/2026 16:42

You're gonna hate some fat squirrels to eat when the SHTF 😁

Ha! I win. 😂

Holeymoley28 · 24/10/2026 16:45

HeckYeah · 24/10/2026 16:39

I have a huge walnut tree, but the squirrels took them all. Oh well.

We have a tiny walnut self propagated off a big one from the allotment nowhere near the size for nuts yet. You’ll need to net it good.

Though our brand new cherry this year looked promising tons of flowers but then only four bloody cherries. Dh was not impressed.

Holeymoley28 · 24/10/2026 16:46

HeckYeah · 24/10/2026 16:41

You could always just freeze the grapes and eat as snacks or use as ice cubes.

I’ll have to see if I have any freezer space 😅

Maybe I could make a grape jelly or something. I’ll have to google.

DorothyParker111 · 24/10/2026 17:32

HeckYeah · 24/10/2026 13:51

I just googled The Mandibles, sounds interesting, I think I will order it. Thanks.

Interesting but depressing as hell. Suggest you are feeling robust before you start it. I read it when it was first published and it continues to haunt me now.

HeckYeah · 24/10/2026 17:36

Holeymoley28 · 24/10/2026 16:45

We have a tiny walnut self propagated off a big one from the allotment nowhere near the size for nuts yet. You’ll need to net it good.

Though our brand new cherry this year looked promising tons of flowers but then only four bloody cherries. Dh was not impressed.

Oh it is way bigger than up to our roof. We have tried cutting it but it grows about two metres every summer.

GentleSheep · 24/10/2026 17:55

Holeymoley28 · 24/10/2026 16:46

I’ll have to see if I have any freezer space 😅

Maybe I could make a grape jelly or something. I’ll have to google.

Ha! Grape jelly seems very posh. "It's the apocalypse but would you enjoy a spot of grape jelly? I made it for this very moment!" 😂

Holeymoley28 · 24/10/2026 18:02

GentleSheep · 24/10/2026 17:55

Ha! Grape jelly seems very posh. "It's the apocalypse but would you enjoy a spot of grape jelly? I made it for this very moment!" 😂

I may or may not have a jar of quince jelly in the fridge. 🤣

When shit hits the fan we shall have to eat the fancy things the children leave alone. Oh the shame 😂😂 A family member makes some lovely duck and liver pate. Wonderful on some crusty bread. Jars of pesto will come into their own haha

No beans for me no no. Fabulous jellies and such.

HeckYeah · 24/10/2026 18:05

DorothyParker111 · 24/10/2026 17:32

Interesting but depressing as hell. Suggest you are feeling robust before you start it. I read it when it was first published and it continues to haunt me now.

Not sure I feel robust at the moment..

HeckYeah · 24/10/2026 18:07

GentleSheep · 24/10/2026 17:55

Ha! Grape jelly seems very posh. "It's the apocalypse but would you enjoy a spot of grape jelly? I made it for this very moment!" 😂

🤣