Man has jumped into Tiger enclosure

[PrincessHoneysuckle]

At Yorkshire wildlife park.Anyone seen the video? I live local to it and the video of the man wagging his finger at it telling it no like a toddler is shocking.Hes lucky he wasnt killed.

The freedom and needs of the majority shouldn't be limited to accommodate the minority in my view.

What are you missing by not being able to physically access a tiger enclosure? How would that in any way limit you?

I'm really lost now TBH. I have objectd. kindly, to something said on the post, but am now under attack. I can assure you that i have better things to worry about now. It is unbelievable. And no, I will not be judged as to my intellect.

Indeed. Somewhere in the middle?

Because I think personal responsibility is massively important, @ToKittyornottoKitty . if you think "they" should think for you and make your life risk-free, I can't agree.

WTF? seriously, when?

But it's all speculation, no one knows why he did what he did.
You can't change the world because of one incident. Nothing is 100% safe. We risk assessment all the time, if this man didn't have the capacity to do that then he should have had carers. If he didn't why not. If he did where were they? That's what needs investigating and changing.
People with mental health issues go one level crossings when a train is coming, no one has got rid of level crossings because it's realised these numbers are statistically low compared to the amount of people who use them as they should be. The wildlife park has almost one million visitors a year and this has never happened. Why should they bankrupt themselves changing the fencing for one incident. They are on their knees as it is with the effect of COVID and the rising cost of living. If changes were enforced they would probably close and the animals could go somewhere where they are not as well cared for and it would have a massive impact on the local economy. But as long as it's stopped the 1 in 12 million (approx) chance of this happening again then that's ok.

It's not around freedom of needs, it's about the level of support. As i've already written issues such as social care budgets and carer recruitment/ retention all play into this. Adult social care is vastly underfunded and not a priority politically which is why AB isn't including it in his social care reforms.

Awful, but it’s not the zoo’s fault anymore than it’s the drivers fault if a mentally ill person decides to throw themselves in front of a car.

The DM is reporting a claim that a woman tried to stop him.

This thread strted out as a love our cats and what they do, even when they are naughty. It has now been turned into an perosnal attack. An attack on cats, and whether or not we shoudl keep them and love them.

The turn around is hideous.

Yes, I am a very intelligent human being, who has a love of feliines, but it you don't like them, have your say and go.

I will not be judged anymore.

Thank you

But funding all and every social care shortcoming would add billions to government debt. I already pay my whack, and I am not ready to pay any more. No matter how deserving the cause.

Yep. I live on a housing estate that was previously an 'asylum'. It definitely had its criticisms but... we're surrounded by countryside and it was in effect a self-contained village and community with its own farm, church, bakery, butchers, cricket team, workshops.

Compare that to the hospital that my sister was sectioned to a couple of years ago - well she was drugged to make her so apathetic she no longer wanted to kill herself and she had her own room where she spent most of the time as there was nothing else to do.

disgusting.

I think, genuinely- someone somewhere has commented on the wrong thing.

The thread of posts you’re replying to starts with mine saying:

Can we stop calling disabled people mentally disturbed, morons or “low ability people” please?
It’s, for want of a better phrase, rude as fuck.

As far as I’m aware, as the writer of that post, it wasn’t referring to you.

This is also not a thread about how much we love cats even when they do naughty things.

I am wondering if there’s a mispost or confusion somewhere.

My husband and I were just discussing this earlier. We have visited YWP for the past five years or so now, most recently back in July.
Granted we went before the summer holidays and midweek so likely quieter than it would have been on Saturday. But, for those who haven't been the park is huge - There were few members of staff around, that we could see anyway, unless they were actively feeding or doing talks.
I wouldn't have even known who to contact/how to get help if we had witnessed this. I also wonder how quickly the staff/security/keepers responded and how they were alerted.

As above, the enclosures are secure, and I'd hate to move to all the animals being behind glass walls.

Because today it’s animal enclosures that you want to make more enclosed… but what will it be tomorrow? If someone with ND runs into a road and gets hit by a car are you going to want high fences around every road? What about lakes/rivers/railways?

We can’t babyproof the whole world at great cost based on the actions of a tiny minority. There is a level of basic responsibility and risk assessment you need to take for yourself/the person you’re caring for.

Actually, given your judgement. I'd like to ask what you actually know of me? What I do? What I have done? Who I am? Nope! No idea. I can tell you, however, that I will not be kicked into shit by someone like you. So offenive.

Shame, really, because educating and caring for vulnerable people does cost money and it will inevitably come out of your “whack.”

And my “whack,” for the record. And everyone else’s “whack.”

The general consensus isn’t (yet) just “lock them all up because it’s cheaper for the taxpayer,” so for now - your whack will have to continue to suffer. I’ll cry into my son’s DLA for you.

If you’d like to continue being upset about that, might I suggest starting a different thread, because this one isn’t about the cost of disability, it’s about a deceased man and a wildlife park.

I’ve watched the video (the one that stops after he pointed, like telling a dog off and to sit and tiger seems to listen!). About 20 seconds long. I believe there’s a longer one I haven’t seen. But in the one I saw, there was nothing to indicate he was obviously using Makaton. Natural hand gestures we all use are part of Makaton, it’s the point of it. We don’t know for sure certain it was Makaton, anyone familiar with it will know, and know it’s hard to tell from that part. He could’ve been using normal gestures saying no, stop etc. Like many would when trying to tell off a dog or domestic cat.
Given the amount of speculation was he high, drunk, general idiot, additional needs, whatever else… I think if he did have additional needs it would’ve been said by now.

There have been no official reports or confirmation yet from the main stream media (BBC, Reuters etc...) about the state of mind or any possible mental disability or disorder of the man who jumped into the tigers' enclosure.

However, multiple assumptions are currently circulating about the fact that this person had some of form of significant mental issues.

Does anybody know anything about it for certain or at the moment these are just assumptions?
Thank you

They are just assumptions as of right now.

Terrible,. I experienced lions etc in their own environment a couple of years ago. It's not pretty, even there in their homeland.

I agree 100% with you in regards to his support. My first post on this thread said as much.

Learning from incidents and changing because of them is normal safety procedure. I gave the airline industry as an example earlier. After any incident they change safety procedures and learn rather than leaving things the same and letting the risk of repetitian happen.

Not all LD people are ND, or indeed vice versa.

I think considering a toddler recently drowned in a lake, we could perhaps make them harder to access.

But the same actually applies. What is the negative impact on your life if you can’t walk onto a motorway, or jump into a lake?

There absolutely is a level of responsibility for the person you’re caring for, and I have made clear in other posts that I personally accept that responsibility and neither take my son places he’s likely to put himself at physical risk, nor do I expect his school to.

But, arguing against keeping motorways and tigers away from people just seems like arguing for arguing’s sake.

Nobody actually wants to be in those spaces, unless they’ve got no understanding of risk or are willingly putting themselves at risk. You won’t miss out on not being able to walk into the M1. You don’t want to.