Man has jumped into Tiger enclosure

[PrincessHoneysuckle]

At Yorkshire wildlife park.Anyone seen the video? I live local to it and the video of the man wagging his finger at it telling it no like a toddler is shocking.Hes lucky he wasnt killed.

No because you didn’t answer my question

Perhaps you should say what you meant.

What makes it not a zoo?

According to the news tonight the man is dead, The tiger is okay.

I think it’s about managed independence.

I absolutely believe that significantly disabled people deserve to experience things that they enjoy. However, if they can’t experience that safely then either measures need to be in place so they can, or they need to be taken somewhere they can access.

My son for example is allowed on “outdoors” school trips, provided he’s on reins and is 2:1 with his known staff. He’s not allowed on trips to the town centre, because of the risk of traffic, or anywhere with unmanned bodies of water. He wasn’t taken swimming a few weeks back because his behaviour was horrendous immediately before. Fair enough, don’t take him, I wouldn’t either.

I’m fine with that, because he doesn’t get nothing, but also isn’t taken places he’ll harm himself or others, and isn’t set up to fail.

It’s not about no risk, it’s about managed risk.

Animals, like humans carry viruses and get sick. Yes, it's become more of a problem because of the loss of habitats, smaller environments etc, plus dwindling numbers. But unless we are going to do a human cull (the mere suggestion of contraception for some countries puts people in a spin) there isn't any other answer, other than these solutions or we allow the species to go extinct.

Do you not know what a wildlife park is?

Did you even bother to read the thread before commenting??

The fact is not every “attraction” can be made 100% safe for every single disability. It just can’t. Later on you say a train is not an attraction. Depends on the train. At Christmas my family used to go on a steam train for a ride to see Santa. The whole thing was a fun Santa experience. It was not a train that was in “service” for the public. It was purely an attraction. There was absolutely nothing to stop someone jumping onto the tracks or in front of the train as it arrived etc.

I’ve also been to a day out at a racing car driving experience. You get to drive a Ferrari or something. If someone has a severe disability meaning they cannot drive no amount of adjustments can make it so they can drive safely without killing themselves or others. Sure they could be a passenger only. But that’s not the experience. Plus what if the person with special needs grabbed the driver or the wheel while he was driving at 70mph? That could kill everyone in the car and possibly others watching.

There are many other “attractions” that just cannot be made safe for absolutely everyone no matter what.

All those who want the enclosures covered over bear in mind this park has been open since 2009 and had dangerous animals in since 2010 when they first got Lions. They have had no incidents before this.
There is no need to change the enclosures. You can't fall into any of them, you would have to purposefully climb in to any of them and it would not be easy.
The Tigers enclosure is high up with 2 layers of fencing that's also very high to climb over.

ALL learning disabled people can’t? Or as you speak about NT people, do you mean ALL ND people can’t? Bloody hell, has anyone told the highly qualified professionals undertaking mental capacity assessments not to bother? Some random on the internet already knows that ALL learning disabled/ND people can’t make informed choices about anything.

I am nothing other than blunt, but I am not unkind. I sympathise and understand (a bit) your situation, because as a 19 year old in 1978 I worked with institutionalised young people. The teenaged kids in Horfield General, on the edge of Bristol, covered the spectrum of mental and learning disabilities. There were all sorts, from the NV autistic (and quite fisty) lass to the soppy romantic Down's lad. I took 15 skating one morning, and it was probably the bravest thing I have ever survived.

I know that Yorkshire wildlife park is advertised as a wildlife park, conservation centre and zoo

i see the thread has reopened.
I am so sad for all the staff, just an appalling tragedy.
and for all the other visitors
i saw a video and the amount of people who turned their phones to record was shocking

I read the post it says he’s lucky he wasn’t killed - he was killed. I also commented because people are saying about the tiger being killed, the tiger hasn’t been

Agreed

'It's up to the business owner to make the attraction safe & accessible for everyone regardless of disability.' as PP said is ridiculous. Not everything can be for everybody. It's time people got used to that fact.

Given the well documented issues with social care, carer recruitment and an increase in those needing support not to mention the increase in anti social behaviour I believe it would be safer for both visitors and the animals to be inclosed and viewed through windows.

Just because this is the first instance in x number of years doesn't mean that safety and safeguarding shouldn't be improved. There is always room for improvement and more that can be learnt

So true. It's disgusting.

I've heard the guy was special needs.

You're a day late and a dollar short my love.

What, out of interest, is kind about locking those with severe cognitive impairment in asylums?

How would that better serve them than allowing them to not be locked up, but to still be with people who could adequately manage their safety and wellbeing?

Animals, like humans carry viruses and get sick.
Aka survival of the fittest. If we have - and the evidence is there - taken over this planet and made in impossible for many other species to live in any numbers, then perhaps we need to admit that and stop all this conservation nonsense which is largely done to appease our guilty consciences. I acknowledge there is good conservation but a lot of it is problematic.

Further, how about we stop 'allowing' stuff? Accept that it is unlikely that the species that caused the problems has the answer to the problems.
Like I said, conservation of a species comes at a cost to individual members of that species. Often debatable as to whether the costs outweigh the benefits.

Completely agree with this. The cost to every zoo or any type of attraction to try and do this in case any other grown adult (there’s no way a toddler or small child would have scaled it) would be ridiculous. The parks do their jobs by ensuring the animals can’t get out.

We can’t baby proof the whole world. Every where has some form of risk and the onus is the individual to have some level of common sense when out and about, e.g. don’t run into traffic, don’t jump into a lake, don’t climb into an enclosure with an apex predator. If you are lacking that to the degree that you need to be with someone then it’s on them to judge whether that person is truly suitable to visit a zoo and they need to ensure a very close eye is kept.

You wouldn’t turn your back on a toddler at a busy zoo for multiple reasons, the same needs to be applied to anyone who is out with a person who is known not be able to make decisions rationally. If you are aware you’re unable to protect them enough then don’t visit a zoo.

But there is no need to put the animals through that. The whole point of the Yorkshire Wildlife Park is all the animals have huge enclosures where they can chose to go inside or outside as they please. That should not change because one person in the millions that have visited went into an enclosure.
Bearing in mind it's all assumption that he had mental health issues, he may have been on drugs it's not yet been published.
We cannot change the world for the minority.
There are issues with care I agree that's what needs to be dealt with. Again we don't know if that was the issue.

You are the poster that just keeps on giving aren't you? Are you trying to shock and upset people on purpose? Completely and utterly tone deaf