Man has jumped into Tiger enclosure

[PrincessHoneysuckle]

At Yorkshire wildlife park.Anyone seen the video? I live local to it and the video of the man wagging his finger at it telling it no like a toddler is shocking.Hes lucky he wasnt killed.

Well not given we will be able to see a bloke get shot imminently. We aren't quite as evolved as we think when push comes to shove I fear.

The owner of the park?

The world isn't risk free for anyone.

Because he's one of only 500 Amur Tigers left in the world. The biggest cat on earth.

Difficult to charge a dead person. How would you do that?

We've gone too far with inclusivity. Someone with learning difficulties who doesn't understand danger should never have been in this environment. No one has a "right" to attend a zoo.

This is the 2nd event this year when someone who should never have been in that environment has caused serious financial hardship and negative publicity to people just trying to make a living and contribute towards animal conservation. There's a post flying round FB at the moment about a woman attending Peppa Pig world with her autistic child and kicking off that they wouldn't "bend the rules" for her. Why the hell should they?!

I completely agree i don't think many realise how stressful and awful the work is for the low pay.

I worked in a care home for adults with learning difficulties amd challenging behaviour whilst I was at uni. It was awful, I dreaded going into work and I was often scared of the people I was supposed to be caring for. Staff members were regularly attacked. There were 3 bites which broken the skin and a broken arm in the time I was there. I worked there for under a year, then i managed to find another job which fot around my course. I was regularly pinched, scratched, spat at and hit. One of my professors pulled my to one side at one point because he assumed it was domestic violence.

We were expected to take these individuals out in public. To zoos, cafes, aquariums etc. I think there was only 1 resident who seemed to enjoy this. Thankfully we were always short staffed so most trips were cancelled whilst I worked there.

We had training to restrain l but it really depended who was with them to whether this could be successful. One of the men was well over 6ft and weighed around 200lbs. And in contrast some of the staff were women not far over 5ft and 100lbs. When there were incidents inside the home it often took more than 2 staff to be able to restrain certain residents, yet they were only 2 to 1 out in the community.

My son is an adult with a severe learning disability and complex needs. He lives in a supported living house - an ordinary house on an ordinary street which is tailored to his needs. He has 24/7 care and doesn't go out without his support workers or us with him. He doesn't need to live somewhere "secure". He would find a setting with lots of other people very distressing. He left his specialist school at 16 because he couldn't cope with that type of environment.

I read this while being hugged by my almost 16 year old happy chappy who loves life more than anyone I know and has Down's Syndrome. ❤️

That’s lovely ❤️❤️ but the majority of babies with DS are now terminated (this is a fact not a judgement)

Obviously we don’t know what happened here, but I agree, if this is the case - this man was failed

The person could have had suicidal ideation.

Is every person who attends a zoo or wildlife park going to go through an assessment before entering such establishments/businesses?

No vaccines for polio or meningitis or rubella - now we have those.

' No vaccines for polio or meningitis or rubella - now we have those. '

I have had all those and I was born in the 1950s

This is a tragedy, but the zoo did nothing wrong here. I will be interested to learn more about the man in this story and his motivations. Ultimately, we should remember that people with disabilities are allowed to make mistakes, even catastrophic ones.

If this man has SEN, it is possible that a caregiver could have intervened and prevented him from making this mistake. It’s an obvious one that no one can argue anyone should make. However, it is very easy to start restricting other choices. There is discussion on this thread of institutional housing and group meals. These can take away people’s simple right to choose their own food or sleep schedule. Autonomy always needs to be part of this discussion, even if there are some obvious things that no one should ever do.

Maybe say that without quoting me as I'm feeling particularly fragile right now. That way I wouldn't have got the notification.
Yes I'm aware of that. I don't live in my own bubble but I don't need reminding.
I am thankful I didn't have to make that heartbreaking decision as I chose not to have the tests in pregnancy. I honestly don't know what I would have decided had I known. Therefore I respect every person's decision.
It hasn't been easy. He almost lost him several times as a baby.
He's now a happy healthy teenager and my world is a lot brighter for having him in it.

The issue is these aren’t secure and don’t cater to economies of scale. I’m not suggesting the setting should mix all the residents or it should be chaos, far from it. But there are now so many cases of mental disability they can’t all live in 1 house each.

I’m really glad but the point I was making was a separate one.

But the vaccine wasn’t introduced until 1960ish. So by the 70s you would see the result of disabled children.

Yes I agree. Safety is paramount here rather than enjoyment. It sounds very traumatic. I think each resident would have to have a safe bedroom, somewhere they could be left for a couple of hours without hurting themselves. Sadly I just can’t see society affording 24/7 2:1 supervision which is what many of them will need.

The problem is that zoos are inherently more cruel and abusive to animals than leaving them in their natural environment, so it’d make more sense to ban zoos. An outcome I’d be happy with because I find it horribly depressing seeing animals caged for the entertainment of humans.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6n9r3n7858zo

It's secure enough for him. You do realise that not all people with a learning disability are interested in running off. They are individual human beings with individual needs just like you and me.

I worked as a support worker for people with learning disabilities.

One of the gentlemen was obsessed with emergency vehicles. He was convinced that they needed his help when they had their lights and sirens on.

It started off relatively harmless, and as it was a special interest we would take him on trips to the fire station and to talks about emergency services.

Then it escalated into dangerous territory. He would start running towards them, across roads or anything else that was in his way. He was 6 ft 2 and a big bloke, I was 21 and 9 stone wet through so it was terrifying. I could not physically stop him, but my boss insisted I should keep taking him out without any extra help or cover because 'we can't afford to have two staff just for him'.

He started getting so angry if one went past outside and I wouldn't open the locked front door (had to keep it locked due to ither residents who were a flight risk and non verbal). I had to dodge a fire extinguisher that was thrown at my head once.

I ended up quitting. I genuinely loved my job, but felt I couldn't keep the service users safe in those conditions. And honestly, it just was not worth the pay I was getting.

Last I heard he had to go into a secure unit. Seeing this story made me feel so sad, as I wondered if this young man was possibly similar.

You've not heard of self injurious behaviour. Being shut in a 'safe room' is likely to cause that in many cases. That's why hospital settings are appalling for many with a learning disability.