Man has jumped into Tiger enclosure

[PrincessHoneysuckle]

At Yorkshire wildlife park.Anyone seen the video? I live local to it and the video of the man wagging his finger at it telling it no like a toddler is shocking.Hes lucky he wasnt killed.

Because that’s still unpleasant and restricting for the animal. How would you feel living under a chain link fence? You’d feel depressed.

Every 32 hours someone suicides by jumping in front of a train. Shall we shut down the rail network?

The lack of proper provision in the community is the very reason why so many people with LD/autism are now warehoused in secure psychiatric units for years and years - it's a 0 to 100 system, either family find a way of coping with little to no support, or the person gets shoved in a secure unit for years. It's a serious problem in this country and is very hushed up/underreported.

"Care in the Community" was never a benevolent/progressive/inclusive policy - it was cooked up by Enoch Powell and then Thatcher, as a way of saving money. That's all.

Agree.

I think we need big residential homes, with 50+ patients. It would be an employment hub and mean things like catering could be done at scale. A couple of acres of nice grounds for activities, but make it inescapable and rather than spending £££ on things like zoos and therapies that don’t really produce results, spend the money paying care staff better to attract dedicated people willing to make it a pleasant environment with a high level of engagement.

We really should be going back to making sure disabled people are calm and safe and comfortable and regulated, not spend £££££ on fairly pointless ‘therapies’, schools with swimming pools etc

100 years ago, 50 years ago, far far fewer pregnancies would go to term where the developing child would have been disabled, but with modern medicine that is not happening

Same with very prem births, the child would not have survived. Same with all number of disabilities and conditions, the child would not have survived.

There is also far far less provision as a whole, due to the way services are funded, carved up and very severe LD needs are not as interesting for people to promote, be visible, its all about menopause and ND. No one wants to discuss how difficult it is caring for a 20 stone toddler who smears and needs a feeding tube. You wont see that in any adverts or empowerment stories.

(Im menopausal by the way)

Every part of zoos and wildlife parks are restricting to the animals. Male tigers have a territory of around 100 square Km in the wild so even the best safari park or zoo is massively restrictive.

The policy, tacitly, is "be economically active or die" for working-age people. I think it's for the same reasons that inclusion is being inappropriately forced in the school system, to try and gaslight people into thinking that LD/SEN is a sort of personal failing to be somehow managed in a mainstream setting.

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Did you respond to the wrong post?

So why make it more restrictive? Nobody has the ‘right’ to see a tiger.

Welcome to the internet, where we have discovered that people have trouble distinguishing television and hearsay from established facts.

Sorry, have edited post to be clearer. I'm saying that the unspoken attitude seems to be that working-age people who are not economically active are not worth taking care of. It's awful and has really far-reaching consequences.

Far more. I don’t think the statistics have caught up yet. Just look at the absolute avalanche of posters with kids with ‘complex needs’ and ‘non verbal autism’. This also reflects my real life experience (as a regular mum with non SEN kids so I’m not unusually exposed to it). I know 6 school refusers with severe MH and ‘EBSA’, 3 children with non verbal autism who cannot communicate and have no danger awareness, and a few more with mid level autism who can communicate but will probably live independently.

Why? No idea. We should have fewer disabled children now, with better medicine and vaccines and scans. If you think back to the 1970s - no scans, ALL children with Down syndrome or spina bifida etc would be born. Now they hardly ever are. No vaccines for polio or meningitis or rubella - now we have those. So why so many disabled children, and why are nearly all of those disabilities ‘mental’ rather than physical? I really have no idea. I have some ideas - older parents, environmental toxicity, diets.

@Portmore this is one of the silliest things I have seen in a very long time on MN. What about roads? Someone might step in front of a car. Or what about London Underground stations? It only takes a second to step onto the tracks? High rise buildings with windows? Cleaning products that smell nice and have pretty colours. Dogs that will bite if taunted. And the list goes on….

Agree. I worked in disability support for over twenty years and I’ve seen first hand some of the consequences of ‘care in the community’. This is going to jump up and bite us on the arse at some point and governments of all colours have been kicking this particular can down the road for years.

Many of the parents caring for severely autistic children and those with complex MH conditions are already in crisis because their children are now grown and are much bigger and stronger than mum or dad, and have aggressive or downright violent meltdowns. I’ve seen families who have had to designate a safe room in their homes, in which to barricade themselves to protect from their own children. And I’ve seen parents who have had multiple trips to A&E or even been hospitalised after being assaulted. Support is a postcode lottery and in some areas it’s none existent.

Care in the community has failed so many disabled people and their families who are largely left with minimal support. And yet successive governments seem to be focused on reducing support for disabled people. The push to reduce what is spent on disability benefits now won’t save a penny because successive governments seem to forget one thing every single time - reducing the support doesn’t eliminate the need.

All that will happen is that cuts to disability benefits will push more and more people into an overstretched and much more expensive social care system. It won’t save a penny and it will result in misery for many disabled people and their families - but I guarantee you all you will hear is government ministers slapping each other on the back saying how it’s reduced the benefits bill. You won’t hear a word about the expense and pressure piled onto already woefully inadequate care services.

That man should be charged with animal abuse/cruelty.

I agree with this. I'm a carer with 33 years experience under my belt. Mercifully, I no longer work in the LD sector, and reading many of the comments on this thread just reminds me of the pressures associated with LD care.

For anyone who doesn't realise, the sector is currently experiencing 200,000+ vacancies, and that shortage is growing exponentially.
People are quick to blame the carers for this tragic incident at YWP, one even calling for them to be sued. That's before it's even been established that carers were involved.
Let's assume they were. People with LD can behave in unpredictable ways, and risk assessments can only manage the risks, not eliminate them.

It's a wonder that anyone still wants to work in LD care, given the appalling pay, conditions, and increasing pressures. People don't know the half of it.
So, yes, the situation will be even more dire in 20 years' time.

The man whos died? Good one! Wtf

Tigers are fine, man died

Well he's dead so....sort of paid the ultimate price.

It's a difficult one because currently we also don't have a fit-for-purpose inspectorate body to sensibly enable more large institutions to exist in practice (CQC look the other way in 99% of cases). Winterbourne View etc was not a one-in-a-million bad apple case, it was just one that happened to be caught on video. The level of abuse and sexual assault against LD/autistic/psychiatric patients beggars belief. Ditto the fact that care work is so exploitative and badly paid that it is almost impossible to recruit competent, compassionate people and get them to stay.

I have met females who are as bad if not worse.
Your post is vile.

Ozcams razor is our friend here.

What's blatantly obvious about it. The OP is about someone who survived a tiger attack in an enclosure at a wildlife park. Since then the he has been killed by the tiger.

That's somehow descended into an attack against people with disabilities and 'low IQ' who shouldn't be allowed to see the light of day.