Who is English?

[mids2019]

I see reform have started a debate about the meaning of being English which has stirred a few feathers. To my mind anyone who is born in the country is English..

I would say moving to a country does not necessarily make you a national of a country e.g. if I moved the South of Spain as a retired I don't know if could reasonably call my self Spanish but children of English people definitely could.

One thing that is worth debate is how you frame heritage and is this important? For instance would 2nd.generation immigrants from India would want to be referred as English but if Indian oriigin? Is there an actual desire for people of foreign heritage to maintain a part of their identity connected to their country of family origin for cultural reason?

So basically no one has stopped you flying a flag, you just have no desire to?

So why are you angry at minorities?

Read the quotes!

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But unlike the pp who said the English alone don’t have any not a culture, you do think we do?

Ok that’s good.

She’s quoting that poster. People use quotation marks when quoting a poster.

Air quotes usually follows rl use but ok.

It reminds me of the Labour politician who said the stuff about the countryside and black labs.

Yes I do think you do but asked which ones aren't allowed now. It could be a simple one. An example would be, for Scots, if weren't allowed to have steak pie at New Year any more. There would be riots 😆

Thank you! Not "air" quotes . Just run of the mill every day quotes.

Ahh the old use of language to try and get your point across. Let’s play then, why do you hate the English?

@nomas
So basically no one has stopped you flying a flag, you just have no desire to?
So why are you angry at minorities?

Ok a good example might be the recent Labour MP statement that warm ale, black labs, the pub and what she deemed to be an old fashioned view of the countryside didn’t exist.

There’s been plenty of similar backlash.

What?

Ok. I don't really keep up with Westminster. Too interested in Holyrood.

Like any far right anywhere they are using the local flag (often with additional indivifual group flags). But everyone here did wet blanket, folded with "oh well, we can't use our flag because these people do".
If this thinking was common, most people anywhere would be ashamed of their flag.
In Scotland they waved the saltire.
They also use Union Jack. Should that be considered undesirable flag because of this as well?
It's sad and weird really imho

Ok there’s an English tradition though. And one that a Labour politician walked in to rather idiotically.

I was replying to nomas

The pub or the black labs?

So like France which is a secular society.

All of what she said has caused a reaction.

What kind of reaction?

Are you on IG? Or just mn

On but never use it. Only got an account for my work. On Twitter but not been on for months and mainly follow Scottish politics.

It’s mostly just people posting their lovely black or other colour labs in pubs or outside, plus ridiculing Labour over it.

Look it up. She is the MP for Suffolk Coastal. Jenny Riddell Carpenter. Probably easier than getting MN to describe the incident to you. Anyway when you see what she said you will understand the reaction.

Will do thanks.

I am English! And I love my country, despite its faults.

How bizarre to assume I’m not.