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Would you vote to re-join the EU in another referendum?

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GorgeousSpringtime · 01/10/2026 14:24

Simple question. If there is another referendum to re-join the EU, will you be voting to re-join?

This isn't to have a go at anyone who supported Brexit, or who supported Remain, it's just a quick straw poll. Thank you. Smile

If anyone is wondering, (or cares!) I think I will vote to re-join. (I won't say at this point what I voted for last time...)

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LongDarkTeatime · 04/10/2026 11:01

EasternStandard · 04/10/2026 10:54

Not sure what it has to do with the pp’s boss or why she would be brought up as a counter, but re-joining is complex.

Adopting the euro would not be straightforward at all.

That an interesting point.
Are you saying you don’t think Brits have the same resilience when dealing with a change that French, Germans, Italians, Spanish (and 15+ other countries) showed in transitioning?

FlyingCatGirl · 04/10/2026 11:03

Pineneedlesincarpet · 04/10/2026 10:22

They are very poor countries which will need a huge injection of funds from the EU on accession. Money which will need to come from somewhere. It will be a repeat of what happened when the eastern bloc countries joined at the start of the century and of course freedom of movement will mean large numbers imof workers can travel anywhere. Which was one of the seeds of Brexit of course.

We need to be very careful what we are joining.

I can assure you that they aren't very poor countries at all bar the fact the poor Ukraine is getting pummeled by war. You don't travel to these countries and have a false image of them being poverty stricken hell holes! I've travelled in all of those countries bar Moldova and Ukraine and trust me, they are places I could happily live!

Alternativelyviewed · 04/10/2026 11:04

ProfessoressaSazzasez · 04/10/2026 10:52

I never needed medical treatment in France but reciprocity worked perfectly well in Italy.

The point is the same levels of care and access to treatment were not equal .
Where as we gave to all immediatly.

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Alternativelyviewed · 04/10/2026 11:06

FlyingCatGirl · 04/10/2026 11:03

I can assure you that they aren't very poor countries at all bar the fact the poor Ukraine is getting pummeled by war. You don't travel to these countries and have a false image of them being poverty stricken hell holes! I've travelled in all of those countries bar Moldova and Ukraine and trust me, they are places I could happily live!

Thanks it's not that I don't trust you it's just we havant just seen it before we are living it now..
When I was younger and going out there were no Eastern Europe tent cities in London and organised begging gangs.

Clavinova · 04/10/2026 11:15

FlyingCatGirl · 04/10/2026 09:16

Yes people did get kicked out because they made the income threshold for a visa to stay 25000 which most of the low and unskilled jobs don't pay! Hence why we lost vast swathes of agricultural workers, hospitality workers, care workers! You cannot pretend different! They were forced out because they didn't meet the 25k threshold!

It's been ten years, why have NEETS and people on benefits not ran to fill those jobs yet? They don't want to do it! Care homes can't waste time on people that don't want to be there and will not perform properly or turn up every shift! It's a much more complicated issue than you make it out to be. If they don't want to be there they will make excuses not to be, they'll find a way to get back on benefits until the benefits system gets toughened up.

The Balkan countries want to be more EU aligned which proves my point that nobody is leaving and others are joining.

There are 4 million EU citizens in the country now, plus 400,000/500,000 non-EU family members who came with them - how many more do we need? Can the EU citizens receiving benefits work more hours to fill up some job vacancies?

Newbutoldfather · 04/10/2026 11:15

@FlyingCatGirl ,

‘It doesnt matter what your opinion is on why these countries are joining, they are joining and thus gammons are alone in their view of the EU being bad abs failing, it isn't is it!’

Gammons?! I hope that racist sexist word is an autocorrect?!

The countries that are joining are universally quite poor and, of course, the EU will hugely benefit them:

The European Union average GDP per capita in purchasing power standards (PPS) stands at approximately €41,600. Countries seeking to join the EU (candidate countries) currently trail significantly behind this benchmark, typically operating at a fraction of the bloc's average. 1, 2]
📈 Candidate Countries vs. EU Average
According to recent data compiled by Eurostat and Euronews, candidate economies measure as follows in PPS relative to the EU average (=100):

  • 🇹🇷 Türkiye: ~72% of the EU average
  • 🇲🇪 Montenegro: ~53% of the EU average
  • 🇷🇸 Serbia: ~52% of the EU average
  • 🇦🇱 Albania: ~42% of the EU average
  • 🇲🇰 North Macedonia: ~42% of the EU average
  • 🇧🇦 Bosnia and Herzegovina: ~35% of the EU average 1]

Freedom of movement becomes a huge problem with poor countries as, obviously, they are more than happy to displace native workers for a fraction of the wage. And, as the main second language in these countries is English (other than maybe Russian), we would bear the brunt of it were we to rejoin and were they to be accepted (I am sure Goldmans is right now proposing some creative finance so that they look like they meet the financial criteria).

I assume that, as with the old Eastern Block, there will be ‘transitional arrangements’ and, if we are a bit more sensible than Blair, we will use them.

However, poor countries acceding to the EU make everyone else poorer for at least a while. Ultimately, it can be argued, everyone gets richer as trade increases and the poorer countries become richer. But ultimately is decades, and the interim friction can be brutal.

In addition, the more countries there are, and the more disparate in cultures, the more the democratic deficit increases. And the more strain there is on the Euro.

Ultimately, there is more of a case for Canada to become a state (or at least merge with the U.S on more equal terms) than a ‘deepening’ of the EU. At least they share a language and, broadly, a culture.

I am very much for joining the single market and getting back freedom of movement (assuming the new joiners get very strict transitional arrangements) but, to join the EU, we have to go in open eyed and believe in ‘the project’! I think the project (ultimate federation) is deeply flawed for reasons that I have explained. However, if you are young and idealistic, I accept you may have a different opinion.

Finally (!), an honest and respectful debate is a really good thing. But both sides need to understand and address the legitimate disagreements.

Which were Europe's richest and poorest countries in 2025?

Gross domestic product per capita in purchasing power standards varies significantly across Europe in 2025. One in three people in the EU lives in a country where GDP per capita in PPS is above the EU average.

https://www.euronews.com/2026/04/07/gdp-per-capita-in-purchasing-power-which-were-europes-richest-and-poorest-countries-in-202

Pineneedlesincarpet · 04/10/2026 11:16

FlyingCatGirl · 04/10/2026 11:03

I can assure you that they aren't very poor countries at all bar the fact the poor Ukraine is getting pummeled by war. You don't travel to these countries and have a false image of them being poverty stricken hell holes! I've travelled in all of those countries bar Moldova and Ukraine and trust me, they are places I could happily live!

They are significantly poorer than western European countries and will be net recipients. I'm sure they are lovely. But their economies are not on a par. Moldova's economy is 0.5% the size of the UKs for example. And is in Putin's orbit at the moment and is considered his next target.

EasternStandard · 04/10/2026 11:18

LongDarkTeatime · 04/10/2026 11:01

That an interesting point.
Are you saying you don’t think Brits have the same resilience when dealing with a change that French, Germans, Italians, Spanish (and 15+ other countries) showed in transitioning?

No that’s your post. I’m interested in the economic reality of adopting the euro and the impact on mortgages and pensions for a start.

Clavinova · 04/10/2026 11:18

FlyingCatGirl · 04/10/2026 11:03

I can assure you that they aren't very poor countries at all bar the fact the poor Ukraine is getting pummeled by war. You don't travel to these countries and have a false image of them being poverty stricken hell holes! I've travelled in all of those countries bar Moldova and Ukraine and trust me, they are places I could happily live!

I can assure you that they aren't very poor countries at all bar the fact the poor Ukraine is getting pummeled by war

Ukraine was the poorest country in Europe even before the war started.

FlyingCatGirl · 04/10/2026 11:21

Alternativelyviewed · 04/10/2026 11:06

Thanks it's not that I don't trust you it's just we havant just seen it before we are living it now..
When I was younger and going out there were no Eastern Europe tent cities in London and organised begging gangs.

Albania is a difficult country, we took a bus from Tirana which is Albania's capital and a nice city to Lake Ohrid in Macedonia and the problem is all that journey was just mountainous terrain and villages where the only jobs are mining for materials to make bricks and paving slabs etc, it did bring home that there is a lack of urban areas and jobs in these countries. Some of these countries just don't have enough industries and jobs.

Newbutoldfather · 04/10/2026 11:21

@EasternStandard ,

‘No that’s your post. I’m interested in the economic reality of adopting the euro and the impact on mortgages and pensions for a start.’

That’s an easy one to at least have a stab at.

If we exchange at current rates, mortgage rates go down about 1% (difference in interest rates) and annuity rates go down a similar amount for the same reason. Pension net values would be unchanged.

FlyingCatGirl · 04/10/2026 11:22

Clavinova · 04/10/2026 11:18

I can assure you that they aren't very poor countries at all bar the fact the poor Ukraine is getting pummeled by war

Ukraine was the poorest country in Europe even before the war started.

But Ukraine is one of the world's biggest suppliers of sunflower oil and flour grain isn't it? You need to realise that these countries are building themselves up after years of communist rule and other dark histories, you have to give them credit and support them rather than knocking them back down.

EasternStandard · 04/10/2026 11:23

Newbutoldfather · 04/10/2026 11:21

@EasternStandard ,

‘No that’s your post. I’m interested in the economic reality of adopting the euro and the impact on mortgages and pensions for a start.’

That’s an easy one to at least have a stab at.

If we exchange at current rates, mortgage rates go down about 1% (difference in interest rates) and annuity rates go down a similar amount for the same reason. Pension net values would be unchanged.

But we can’t adjust specifically for our issues in the future?

FlyingCatGirl · 04/10/2026 11:24

Pineneedlesincarpet · 04/10/2026 11:16

They are significantly poorer than western European countries and will be net recipients. I'm sure they are lovely. But their economies are not on a par. Moldova's economy is 0.5% the size of the UKs for example. And is in Putin's orbit at the moment and is considered his next target.

But they are trying to build themselves up after years of communist rule and other dark histories, I see no reason to punish them for that rather than helping them thrive. I love it in the Balkans, I'm sad when it's time to come home. To be fair they keep immigration wel controlled too.

Clavinova · 04/10/2026 11:25

ProfessoressaSazzasez · 04/10/2026 10:40

The surge in the “small boat” channel crossings (many not so small) is a direct result of Brexit.

In the EU, if one country refuses you asylum, they all have. No point moving to another to ask again.

But if you can get to a non-EU country conveniently located just off the coast, you can start afresh.

I’d rather we took documented & controlled numbers of asylum seekers than an unknown, unknowable number who disappear from view.

Edited

The surge in the “small boat” channel crossings (many not so small) is a direct result of Brexit.

Not according to Shabana Mahmood earlier this year - giving evidence to the
Home Affairs Committee -

‘But is Brexit responsible for the boats? I don't think that's true.'
‘the idea that this has happened because we've lost the access to Dublin and the returns agreement with the EU, I think that's too much of a stretch’.

Newbutoldfather · 04/10/2026 11:25

@FlyingCatGirl ,

‘I can assure you that they aren't very poor countries at all bar the fact the poor Ukraine is getting pummeled by war. You don't travel to these countries and have a false image of them being poverty stricken hell holes! I've travelled in all of those countries bar Moldova and Ukraine and trust me, they are places I could happily live!’

Why would you post something that is easy to check and blatantly untrue?!

Ukraine’s GDP per capita pre war was under $5,000, or an 1/8 of the GDP average.

Most people would happily earn in a rich country (or an international wage) and live in a poor one, as you live very well.

They are objectively poor countries and your experiences as an international traveller clearly aren’t representative.

EasternStandard · 04/10/2026 11:27

Clavinova · 04/10/2026 11:25

The surge in the “small boat” channel crossings (many not so small) is a direct result of Brexit.

Not according to Shabana Mahmood earlier this year - giving evidence to the
Home Affairs Committee -

‘But is Brexit responsible for the boats? I don't think that's true.'
‘the idea that this has happened because we've lost the access to Dublin and the returns agreement with the EU, I think that's too much of a stretch’.

Sections of the media and some politicians have pushed misinformation for a while now re Brexit / crossings. I’ll give her credit for not doing the same. That misinformation is still pervasive though.

Ilovewhippets · 04/10/2026 11:28

Gammons?! I hope that racist sexist word is an autocorrect?

I’m surprised ‘gammons’ haven’t been mentioned already as it’s a favourite insult for leavers. All we need now is “not all brexiteers are racist but all racists are brexiteers”.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 04/10/2026 11:32

FlyingCatGirl · 04/10/2026 11:24

But they are trying to build themselves up after years of communist rule and other dark histories, I see no reason to punish them for that rather than helping them thrive. I love it in the Balkans, I'm sad when it's time to come home. To be fair they keep immigration wel controlled too.

The EU works if the economies of each country are similar so that there is balance. It's an economic club aimed at benefiting the members. Not a charity. Those new countries need to be in a position to provide adequate markets and to not be a drain. Ideally.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 04/10/2026 11:33

Ilovewhippets · 04/10/2026 11:28

Gammons?! I hope that racist sexist word is an autocorrect?

I’m surprised ‘gammons’ haven’t been mentioned already as it’s a favourite insult for leavers. All we need now is “not all brexiteers are racist but all racists are brexiteers”.

Which always struck me as odd as Europe is predominantly white.

Grower37 · 04/10/2026 11:34

EasternStandard · 04/10/2026 10:59

Why do you think the EU solves this?

Germany has the highest number of undocumented migrants.

And many of them from 2015 now have citizenship

FlyingCatGirl · 04/10/2026 11:38

Newbutoldfather · 04/10/2026 11:15

@FlyingCatGirl ,

‘It doesnt matter what your opinion is on why these countries are joining, they are joining and thus gammons are alone in their view of the EU being bad abs failing, it isn't is it!’

Gammons?! I hope that racist sexist word is an autocorrect?!

The countries that are joining are universally quite poor and, of course, the EU will hugely benefit them:

The European Union average GDP per capita in purchasing power standards (PPS) stands at approximately €41,600. Countries seeking to join the EU (candidate countries) currently trail significantly behind this benchmark, typically operating at a fraction of the bloc's average. 1, 2]
📈 Candidate Countries vs. EU Average
According to recent data compiled by Eurostat and Euronews, candidate economies measure as follows in PPS relative to the EU average (=100):

  • 🇹🇷 Türkiye: ~72% of the EU average
  • 🇲🇪 Montenegro: ~53% of the EU average
  • 🇷🇸 Serbia: ~52% of the EU average
  • 🇦🇱 Albania: ~42% of the EU average
  • 🇲🇰 North Macedonia: ~42% of the EU average
  • 🇧🇦 Bosnia and Herzegovina: ~35% of the EU average 1]

Freedom of movement becomes a huge problem with poor countries as, obviously, they are more than happy to displace native workers for a fraction of the wage. And, as the main second language in these countries is English (other than maybe Russian), we would bear the brunt of it were we to rejoin and were they to be accepted (I am sure Goldmans is right now proposing some creative finance so that they look like they meet the financial criteria).

I assume that, as with the old Eastern Block, there will be ‘transitional arrangements’ and, if we are a bit more sensible than Blair, we will use them.

However, poor countries acceding to the EU make everyone else poorer for at least a while. Ultimately, it can be argued, everyone gets richer as trade increases and the poorer countries become richer. But ultimately is decades, and the interim friction can be brutal.

In addition, the more countries there are, and the more disparate in cultures, the more the democratic deficit increases. And the more strain there is on the Euro.

Ultimately, there is more of a case for Canada to become a state (or at least merge with the U.S on more equal terms) than a ‘deepening’ of the EU. At least they share a language and, broadly, a culture.

I am very much for joining the single market and getting back freedom of movement (assuming the new joiners get very strict transitional arrangements) but, to join the EU, we have to go in open eyed and believe in ‘the project’! I think the project (ultimate federation) is deeply flawed for reasons that I have explained. However, if you are young and idealistic, I accept you may have a different opinion.

Finally (!), an honest and respectful debate is a really good thing. But both sides need to understand and address the legitimate disagreements.

I'm not interested in your essays, the fact is those countries are building themselves after some pretty dark histories and hardships and all you can do is moan, the fact is they see the EU as a way to better their futures and it still proves my point that nobody is leaving and more and more are joining! My point is correct. And as for your melodramatic screech about the word gammon, where have you been for the last 10, 11 years? It's a well used phrase that everybody uses, I didn't invent it and your comment is ridiculously over the top! You lot call us remoaners though don't you! And what are you calling out it sexist for when it isn't even gender specific! You won't win me in this debate so let's leave it there!

Pineneedlesincarpet · 04/10/2026 11:39

FlyingCatGirl · 04/10/2026 11:38

I'm not interested in your essays, the fact is those countries are building themselves after some pretty dark histories and hardships and all you can do is moan, the fact is they see the EU as a way to better their futures and it still proves my point that nobody is leaving and more and more are joining! My point is correct. And as for your melodramatic screech about the word gammon, where have you been for the last 10, 11 years? It's a well used phrase that everybody uses, I didn't invent it and your comment is ridiculously over the top! You lot call us remoaners though don't you! And what are you calling out it sexist for when it isn't even gender specific! You won't win me in this debate so let's leave it there!

Gammon is a racist word though?

FlyingCatGirl · 04/10/2026 11:39

Ilovewhippets · 04/10/2026 11:28

Gammons?! I hope that racist sexist word is an autocorrect?

I’m surprised ‘gammons’ haven’t been mentioned already as it’s a favourite insult for leavers. All we need now is “not all brexiteers are racist but all racists are brexiteers”.

And you lot don't think it hasn't been tedious calling us Remoaners all these years!

Clavinova · 04/10/2026 11:39

FlyingCatGirl · 04/10/2026 09:31

You have ignored everything I've laid out in previous posts about the vast vast amount of benefits to being back in the EU and the significant risks and issues of not having our immediate neighbours to rely on, and yet you are still in denial! There are no real risks to going back in, it gets rid of the massive amount of damage it's done. You sound ridiculous pretending it's just about passport queues! I've literally laid out in earlier posts a massive amount of information on the problems of Brexit and why we need the EU, you need to read that instead of pretending it's just about a queue! Have your eyes and ears been sealed shut for the last ten years? Stop pretending nothing has changed, it's stupid! And no I haven't had bad queues but that's because I don't really go to places where masses of Brits descend at the same time! But it certainly has been a problem as has been well documented and some countries have again abandoned the EES system because its been too problematic! Get on YouTube and look up videos of airport chaos at places like Tenerife! My friend has been caught in it, passport queues going out the airport and across the car park!
We always had control of our own destiny, Nigel brainwashed you because he had offshore tax havens the EU were about to put the kibosh on so he needed to scare you into voting to screw your own country over.

Nigel brainwashed you because he had offshore tax havens the EU were about to put the kibosh on so he needed to scare you into voting to screw your own country over.

Farage has been campaigning against the European Union for 35 years - wouldn't it be easier for him just to move to Monaco or Dubai?

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