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Spandauer · 29/09/2026 19:01

Mid-terms looming, approval falling, prices rising, wars ongoing - Ping Ping and Fu Shuang must be wondering what heinous crime they committed to be banished chosen as envoys of friendship between China and USA. 🐼🐼

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CaveMum · 22/10/2026 10:06

Sorry about the formatting in that post!

PerkingFaintly · 22/10/2026 10:10

Justsaynonow · 22/10/2026 00:58

I also read that there seem to be issues with machines flipping votes in some states.

Sorry I can't remember where, but I've recently read an article saying that the introduction of doubt into people's minds about the reliability of vote-counting is itself a big win for the Trump administration.

The doubt could be about the machines, about the electoral officers, about unqualified voters, whatever. The point is that the existence of such doubt makes those voters whose choice didn't win, much more likely to reject the election results. It also induces paralysing self-doubt into the conscientious among voters whose choice did win.

Well I say it's a big win for the Trump administration. The real winner here is Putin and his ongoing project to degrade the liberal democracies.

Trump likes to see Farage as his mini-Trump. But Putin sees Trump as his mini-Putin. The Trump administration and Project 2025ers fully embrace the attempt to end US democracy, right enough; but they slot in very nicely as a piece of Putin's larger plan.

SerendipityJane · 22/10/2026 10:34

PerkingFaintly · 22/10/2026 10:10

Sorry I can't remember where, but I've recently read an article saying that the introduction of doubt into people's minds about the reliability of vote-counting is itself a big win for the Trump administration.

The doubt could be about the machines, about the electoral officers, about unqualified voters, whatever. The point is that the existence of such doubt makes those voters whose choice didn't win, much more likely to reject the election results. It also induces paralysing self-doubt into the conscientious among voters whose choice did win.

Well I say it's a big win for the Trump administration. The real winner here is Putin and his ongoing project to degrade the liberal democracies.

Trump likes to see Farage as his mini-Trump. But Putin sees Trump as his mini-Putin. The Trump administration and Project 2025ers fully embrace the attempt to end US democracy, right enough; but they slot in very nicely as a piece of Putin's larger plan.

There really is no reason to use machines for voting. None whatsoever. It's the one activity that should be as analogue and clunky as possible. It's intrinsic inefficiency is also it's safeguard against malice. It's a feature not a bug.

And I write as someone whose life has been spent railing against luddites and a failure to embrace progress.

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PerkingFaintly · 22/10/2026 10:37

Anyway, let's see if these stories about voting machines turn out to have any substance, or are just more disruptive disinformation.

SerendipityJane · 22/10/2026 11:19

This caught my eye. It seems the equivalent in the US is about 41 per million.

Panda-monium - Trump Thread #170
CaveMum · 22/10/2026 11:20

Today’s HC-R

October 21, 2026 (Wednesday)

Everything feels out of whack in the United States.

First of all, the president’s behavior is becoming more and more erratic. Earlier this week, he walked past the open door of his armored car, known as “The Beast” and wandered toward an open field before Secret Service agents redirected him.

And he is losing any filter he used to have. At campaign rallies, he has taken to commenting on how he finds Ohio Republican senator Jon Husted physically attractive. “I looked at his a‑‑, and then I looked at his legs, and my—I said, ‘His a‑‑ is like, it’s like a pile of muscle.’ Then I looked at his legs, and I said, ‘Man, his feet are big.’ Then I looked at his shoulders, and I tapped him on the shoulder, and it actually hurt my hand. It was like a piece of steel. I said, ‘This guy’s a monster.’”

Today he snarled at CNN’s Kaitlan Collins: “You don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re a dummy. You’re a low-IQ person, you’re a dummy, and you work for CNN.”

In the news, Trump’s abandonment of the traditional allies of the United States to embrace Vladimir Putin and Russia remains front and center. Today, videos circulated of Trump’s special envoy to Russia, Steve Witkoff, praising Putin as a “humanitarian” even as the Russian military continues to bombard Ukrainian civilians, this week killing a baby in a stroller at a public park.

Today, former secretary of state Hillary Clinton told Kara Swisher: “I continue to believe that Putin has things on Trump. I continue to believe that he is holding photos, videos, whatever it might be.” Clinton reiterated that Trump “is a willing Putin puppet to help Putin. Putin's not going to stop with Ukraine…. I guess Trump has this idea that he wants to divide the world,” Clinton said. “He gets the Western Hemisphere, Putin gets Russia and Europe, and Xi Jinping gets the rest of the world.”

Meanwhile, Trump claims he had nothing to do with the slowing of Starlink over Ukraine, telling a reporter: “I wasn’t involved.” When asked if Elon Musk ordered it, Trump responded: “I don’t know who did it, but I was not involved.”

Congress members, including Republicans, have vowed to hold whoever was responsible for the cuts accountable. Representative Brian Fitzpatrick (R-PA) said on Monday that those limiting Starshield “will be fully investigated and will be held fully accountable.” He said Congress would investigate and mete out “immediate harsh and punitive budget cuts to any responsible agency or agency head.”

Musk is not taking that threat calmly. In response to a report by Calen Razor in Politico that Democrats intend to investigate Musk’s role in cutting Ukraine’s access to Starlink communications networks, leaving Ukraine vulnerable to Russian attacks, Musk posted on social media: “Live by the sword, die by the sword. Those who pick fights with me should understand that I will find out who is really pulling the strings and come for them, not just their puppets …”

His was a shocking threat against members of Congress, but the move of Europeans and Canadians to develop their own satellite communications systems given the dangers of relying on Starlink seems to be worrying Musk. If Congress also moves the United States away from his contracts, he could be in real trouble. As Douglas P. McCormick noted in Fortune last June, Musk’s trillion-dollar fortune is not real. Almost all of his net worth is unrealized equity in companies he runs. His wealth is simply the market’s estimate of the worth of his promises to deliver in the future, and those promises depend on government contracts.

Americans are beginning to see the costs of Trumpism more generally.

As Paul Krugman noted in his newsletter this morning, twelve million Americans have lost healthcare coverage under Trump, and those who still have it have seen the cost of their premiums rise sharply. The situation will get worse in the future, since when they wrote their One Big Beautiful Bill Act, Republicans put the worst of their cuts off until after the midterms.

The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities reports that enrollment in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) fell by more than 5 million people, or nearly 13%, between July 2025, when the Republicans enacted the One Big Beautiful Bill Act, and June 2026. Nearly half of those no longer receiving benefits are children. Starting this month, more of the costs of SNAP will fall to states. The amount of their payment will be based on their error rates, causing them to err on the side of denying benefits and cut costs, leading even more to lose benefits in the future. Some states may have to withdraw from SNAP altogether.

In The Atlantic today, David Frum wrote that the bill for Trumpism is coming due. Although Trump promised in his first term to eliminate the national debt and in his second to balance the budget, maybe even financing a $2,000 check for every American taxpayer, the budget deficit for the fiscal year that ended on September 30 clocked in at about $2 trillion, about $160 billion more than it was during former president Biden’s last year as president. Next year’s deficit will likely be even greater.

How we got to this point, Frum reminds us, is that the Republicans’ 2025 extension of their 2017 tax cuts will reduce government revenues by $4.5 trillion over the next ten years. Their cuts to Medicaid and SNAP reduced spending by $1.1 trillion. That leaves a growing deficit that climbs to more than $4 trillion as the cost of servicing the debt grows.

Economist Justin Wolfers explained: “Washington has discovered a brilliant financial strategy. Cut benefits for people who need them, cut taxes for people who don't, and borrow the difference from people who aren't old enough to vote.”

Those numbers, Frum notes, don’t include the cost of Trump’s war on Iran. The administration acknowledges that fuel and munitions for that war have cost about $45 billion, but the real costs run far higher with the destruction, for example, of U.S. bases in the Middle East. The Department of Defense has asked for an additional $200 billion for the war, and Trump has asked for $1.5 trillion to fund the military in 2027, which Frum notes is up 44% from before the war on Iran.

In order to stay in power, Republicans are peddling what Jesse Watters of the Fox News Channel recently called “fear porn.” Matt Gertz of Media Matters quoted Watters’s explanation: to engage non-MAGA voters, he said: “You have to say, these people are going to take your healthcare, they're going to let in the Third World, they’re going to jack up your taxes, and that’s what’s going to get people to come out to vote. You have to say, these people are scary and dangerous, you know what we're all about. And that’s really a choice.”

In September, Watters warned that “the Democrat party and its communist base are running against America” and “want to shatter the pillars of Western civilization.” He continued his dark fantasy: “They want to abolish the Senate, police, ICE, and of course the border. Some of them are even calling for reparations and rent control. Others have a little bit of a problem with whites, and a majority of Democrats don't prefer capitalism. It's like we're fighting the Cold War here in our own country.”

Host Sean Hannity told viewers: “We can vote to build on the successes of President Trump, his first two years in office, or you can shred your Constitution, allow our country to be taken hostage by this new radicalized leftist democratic socialist communist movement and their far-left extremist candidates.” He called Democrats “completely insane.”

A company formed last month in Wyoming has been circulating in Texas phony leaflets and text messages pretending to be from a trans rights group. Addressed to the “student” of the household, the flyers claim to be a resource guide for transgender and LGBTQ+ youth. The flyers are deliberately inflammatory, purporting to give a roadmap to children for how to separate from their parents and replace them with other adults or organizations.

Right-wing groups are sharing the mailers and linking them to Democrats. A Republican candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives called them “disgusting and evil” on social media and posted further: “The radical left is trying to brainwash Texan children and unravel the basic framework of our society.”

In Ohio, Republican gubernatorial candidate Vivek Ramaswamy released what the editor of the Cleveland Plain Dealer called “the most vile political ad in Ohio history.” It features the biological mother of his opponent, Dr. Amy Acton, saying Acton is a liar for saying she lived in a tent as a child. In the ad, the woman tells Ohioans not to “let her become your governor.”

Acton, 60, has not seen her biological mother since she was 12, when she and her brother were removed from the woman’s home after a grand jury indicted the woman’s second husband for raping Acton. The woman helped her husband escape custody and avoid trial until he died. Charles Hilu of the National Review reported that court records confirm Acton’s history, and noted that the impoverished family did, in fact, spend a winter living in a tent.

Acton’s brother replied to the ad, saying both of them had been abused, but she had received the worst of it as she tried to protect him. “Shame on Vivek,” he said.

While Vice President J.D. Vance defended Ramaswamy’s ad, others were appalled at his attempt to use her childhood trauma against her.

The Columbus Dispatch endorsed Amy Acton and called the ad “revolting.” MK Pritzker, the wife of Illinois governor J.B. Pritzker, donated $500,000 to Acton, saying: “Bad men gain power when we refuse to stand up and fight.”

New Jersey’s Republican former governor Chris Christie told Karen Tumulty and Dan Merica of the Washington Post: “The question for all Republicans is whether this type of attitude is what we want leading our party going forward. For the last decade, our party has been infected by a corrupted moral center. Vance’s acceptance of this campaign ad only breathes life into the disease that we should be seeking to cure.”

Today Ariana Baio of the Guardian reported that Neil Bush, the brother of President George W. Bush, has voted for Democrat James Talarico rather than Texas attorney general Ken Paxton to be the next U.S. senator from Texas. Bush explained: “I have been a Republican for most of my life, and I still believe deeply in many traditional Republican principles. But character matters more than party affiliation. Our democracy depends on leaders who respect our institutions, tell the truth, accept accountability, and seek to unite rather than divide.”

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 11:36

SerendipityJane · 22/10/2026 11:19

This caught my eye. It seems the equivalent in the US is about 41 per million.

It reminds me of a Breitbart headline I saw a few years back. Paraphrasing sorry.

Iceland gun crime up 400%, immigration up 300%.

I can't remember the details, but I recall fact checking it. They had a double murder. And they had taken UN refugees. The two things in the headline were factually true, but totally unconnected. And both were in single digets. As in gun crime usually less than 1 a year, and they had taken about 4 UN refugees.

The Trumpsters comments were the usual. Libtards ruining Iceland, stock up on ammo, AND VOTE FOR TRUMP.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 22/10/2026 13:40

I am reminded that back at the end of last century my son, in the Royal Navy, was instructed in the use of a sextant as part of his officers training.* This was explained to me as being because the Navy wanted to be certain that if anything went awry with the American based satellite navigation system used by RN ships, its officers would be able to navigate without it. That now seems to have been a sensible precaution: like Ukraine, the UK is an "ally" of Trump's (attempted) autocracy.

*He never told his instructors that he already knew how to use a sextant: the family had one for use in taking the Coastal Master certificate, and used to navigate the house round town (not intentionally, but that was how it came out) using a south-facing window-ledge with a bowl of water on it so we had a fixed horizon to work with at noon GMT each sunny day. We often got to within a mile of our actual position: not bad, I thought.

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 13:53

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 22/10/2026 13:40

I am reminded that back at the end of last century my son, in the Royal Navy, was instructed in the use of a sextant as part of his officers training.* This was explained to me as being because the Navy wanted to be certain that if anything went awry with the American based satellite navigation system used by RN ships, its officers would be able to navigate without it. That now seems to have been a sensible precaution: like Ukraine, the UK is an "ally" of Trump's (attempted) autocracy.

*He never told his instructors that he already knew how to use a sextant: the family had one for use in taking the Coastal Master certificate, and used to navigate the house round town (not intentionally, but that was how it came out) using a south-facing window-ledge with a bowl of water on it so we had a fixed horizon to work with at noon GMT each sunny day. We often got to within a mile of our actual position: not bad, I thought.

I recall talking to a sailor friend (yacht club) about GPS, back in about 2005 or so. Because I had just got a Nokia phone with GPS. He said GPS was fine, but not to be trusted too much, because the charts might be out.

For what he was doing, in the Irish sea, it was navigational aids and the "traditional" methods he used.

AcrossthePond55 · 22/10/2026 13:53

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

US Naval officers are also trained in the use of a sextant and celestial navigation for the same reason. Fear of malfunction or sabotage.

It was dropped in 1998 and reinstated in 2015. The navigation team must take three daily positions during open sea transits. Watchstanders must 'hand calculate' sunrises, sets, moon rises & twilight times. And the gyrocompass is checked and calibrated daily using the sun or stars.

I think navigation by stars is fascinating. I've only seen it done once, decades ago, on a sailboat during an overnight trip up the Calif coast. More to keep the owner 'in practice' since we were never out of sight of land.

Spandauer · 22/10/2026 13:56

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 22/10/2026 13:40

I am reminded that back at the end of last century my son, in the Royal Navy, was instructed in the use of a sextant as part of his officers training.* This was explained to me as being because the Navy wanted to be certain that if anything went awry with the American based satellite navigation system used by RN ships, its officers would be able to navigate without it. That now seems to have been a sensible precaution: like Ukraine, the UK is an "ally" of Trump's (attempted) autocracy.

*He never told his instructors that he already knew how to use a sextant: the family had one for use in taking the Coastal Master certificate, and used to navigate the house round town (not intentionally, but that was how it came out) using a south-facing window-ledge with a bowl of water on it so we had a fixed horizon to work with at noon GMT each sunny day. We often got to within a mile of our actual position: not bad, I thought.

Reminds of my DF and his trusty slide rule. No new-fangled pocket calculators for him..
...unless being used as a double-check.

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SerendipityJane · 22/10/2026 14:11

If I was going to cross the town - let alone the Sahara or the universe - I wouldn't rely on any of the toys around at the moment. Far too much to go wrong with the basics, let alone anything critical.

For reasons we don't need to go into, I (used to) know how to read an ephemeris and take bearings. But it's a lost skill.

A younger colleague had to visit a site a couple of years ago. Like me, they used their phone as a sat nav. As you would expect, it crashed as they were on the motorway. As they had pretty much only every known sat navs since driving, they had no idea (a) where they were, (b) where they were getting off. The only saving grace was they didn't stop on the hard shoulder to reset the phone, but had the sense to come of at the next junction and do it.

CaveMum · 22/10/2026 14:30

When DH was in the RAF training as a “Mover” he had to learn all the mathematical equations for calculating distribution of air cargo loads, fuel requirements, etc. We’re definitely in danger of people becoming too reliant on tech.

SerendipityJane · 22/10/2026 14:56

CaveMum · 22/10/2026 14:30

When DH was in the RAF training as a “Mover” he had to learn all the mathematical equations for calculating distribution of air cargo loads, fuel requirements, etc. We’re definitely in danger of people becoming too reliant on tech.

Being brutal - from an evolutionary perspective - over reliance on tech will be a self limiting problem ...

“We just watched seven people stupid themselves to death.”

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placemats · 22/10/2026 15:07

We need to bring Street/Road/Avenue etc names back. Saves petrol/diesel/gas/electricity.

walllaw · 22/10/2026 15:14

Llttledrummergirl · 22/10/2026 08:23

The White house is being run by the best friend of a paedophile, with whom he spent much time enjoying lots of parties with young girls brought there by a women he is trying to release from prison.

He is named thousands of times in evidence gathered from the young girls involved.

Half his close advisors have wives who were babies when they were grown adults.

Why is this a surprise? The whole fucking lot is rotten.

I'm horrified, I think, that they are doubling down on it, and that Vance, who broke into the public eye with a memoir about the trauma of his childhood is endorsing it.

I hope I don't lose the capacity to be shocked and horrified, but I might be getting close.

SerendipityJane · 22/10/2026 15:18

walllaw · 22/10/2026 15:14

I'm horrified, I think, that they are doubling down on it, and that Vance, who broke into the public eye with a memoir about the trauma of his childhood is endorsing it.

I hope I don't lose the capacity to be shocked and horrified, but I might be getting close.

You ain't seen nothing yet ....

logicisall · 22/10/2026 16:46

Vance is a lying and self-serving piece of shit who should be ashamed of giving his children this as a role model. I'm surprised he doesn't combust on proximity to a Bible.😾

"There is no person who hates the idea of people enriching themselves fraudulently over access to the government than Donald J Trump.

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AcrossthePond55 · 22/10/2026 17:05

CaveMum · 22/10/2026 14:30

When DH was in the RAF training as a “Mover” he had to learn all the mathematical equations for calculating distribution of air cargo loads, fuel requirements, etc. We’re definitely in danger of people becoming too reliant on tech.

In my career with the Govt we did all kinds of complex calculations. When I started they were all done by hand (and a trusty TI pocket calculator but eventually computers took over. New employees were still taught the 'old way' (often by me) as part of their training and would complain "Why do we need to learn this, the computer does it for us". I told them they had to be able to look at the computer results and know if they were right (GIGO) and that they couldn't always count on the system being 'up'.

Nothing wrong with 'the old ways'.

SerendipityJane · 22/10/2026 17:12

AcrossthePond55 · 22/10/2026 17:05

In my career with the Govt we did all kinds of complex calculations. When I started they were all done by hand (and a trusty TI pocket calculator but eventually computers took over. New employees were still taught the 'old way' (often by me) as part of their training and would complain "Why do we need to learn this, the computer does it for us". I told them they had to be able to look at the computer results and know if they were right (GIGO) and that they couldn't always count on the system being 'up'.

Nothing wrong with 'the old ways'.

Fans of "The Peter Principle" will remember the point that people who were sceptical of progress, and who kept a flame burning for "the old ways" were often better equipped for when the tech (invariably) failed.

There was also the point that technology is not the solution to the Peter Principle, since all that would happen is the tech would be promoted beyond it's level of competence too.

AcrossthePond55 · 22/10/2026 17:14

Ramaswamy's despicable ad appears to be catching lots of flak and to be backfiring on him. Good!!!

Ohio Gov De Wine is calling it 'deeply disturbing' and calling for Ramaswamy to take it down, but won't rescind his endorsement for the bastard. Chicken shit.

Vance is doubling down on it. But we all know he's a piece of shit so no surprise there.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 22/10/2026 20:01

That latest decision about his complaint about Auntie Beeb is magic, isn't it? He'll no doubt slime his way out of it, but he may become aware that there are a lot of people saying loudly: "We see you for what you are, you lying grifter."

iwishitwouldstartraining · 22/10/2026 21:13

AcrossthePond55 · 22/10/2026 17:14

Ramaswamy's despicable ad appears to be catching lots of flak and to be backfiring on him. Good!!!

Ohio Gov De Wine is calling it 'deeply disturbing' and calling for Ramaswamy to take it down, but won't rescind his endorsement for the bastard. Chicken shit.

Vance is doubling down on it. But we all know he's a piece of shit so no surprise there.

Trump has come out in favour of Ramaswamy.

I know that owning and shocking the libs plays well with his base and that explains some of his more outlandish behaviour, but does he think his base is now pro child abuse?

Persephonia1966 · 22/10/2026 21:18

iwishitwouldstartraining · 22/10/2026 21:13

Trump has come out in favour of Ramaswamy.

I know that owning and shocking the libs plays well with his base and that explains some of his more outlandish behaviour, but does he think his base is now pro child abuse?

They support him

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