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Spandauer · 29/09/2026 19:01

Mid-terms looming, approval falling, prices rising, wars ongoing - Ping Ping and Fu Shuang must be wondering what heinous crime they committed to be banished chosen as envoys of friendship between China and USA. 🐼🐼

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RedTagAlan · 21/10/2026 15:38

SerendipityJane · 21/10/2026 15:18

Ah, I see the problem. I was remembering that the US doesn't have the concept of an "opposition" so I was expanding the question to all lawmakers

If we are limiting ourselves a subset that is "lawmakers that are not members of the GOP" then by definition they are unable to exert influence by dint of not being in power.

But as a whole it was once the role of congress to check and balance the executive. As some (presumably unapproved) history books will record.

The UK has a similar vein of argument. You will find posters who are convinced that it was Labours fault Brexit went so badly.

Quote "The UK has a similar vein of argument. You will find posters who are convinced that it was Labours fault Brexit went so badly."

Yup. But the UK also have Reform folk. Who blame everyone for everything because they are not doing the Reform policies. Even though Reform don't actually have many policies.

The US do have Libertarians I suppose. The folk who say there should be no roads, and everyone can use hoverboards to get around. They never explain how they will get their ammo reloading supplies delivered though.

SerendipityJane · 21/10/2026 15:43

Yup. But the UK also have Reform folk. Who blame everyone for everything because they are not doing the Reform policies. Even though Reform don't actually have many policies.

While true, I was referring more to posters who are not Reform supporters - mainly Tories. There were a couple on the Brexit forum who insisted that it was Labours fault Boris got such a bad deal. Also that it was Labours fault that Theresa May couldn't get a deal.

And I may be wrong, but I am sure there have been some Republicans who have said that it's the "Democrats fault" for somethings that have happened since Trump taking power.

RedTagAlan · 21/10/2026 15:46

SerendipityJane · 21/10/2026 15:43

Yup. But the UK also have Reform folk. Who blame everyone for everything because they are not doing the Reform policies. Even though Reform don't actually have many policies.

While true, I was referring more to posters who are not Reform supporters - mainly Tories. There were a couple on the Brexit forum who insisted that it was Labours fault Boris got such a bad deal. Also that it was Labours fault that Theresa May couldn't get a deal.

And I may be wrong, but I am sure there have been some Republicans who have said that it's the "Democrats fault" for somethings that have happened since Trump taking power.

Trump blames Biden and Obama for near everything.

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logicisall · 21/10/2026 16:10

Huh? This cosying up to Putin is way beyond a joke now.

Steve Witkoff told Vladimir Putin that he was a humanitarian and said he saluted him during peace talks on Ukraine in St Petersburg.
Donald Trump’s top envoy arrived in Russia’s second city on Wednesday to discuss proposals for a peace deal after a meeting with European representatives and Volodymyr Zelensky in Norway.
“You talk so much about my president, President Trump, being a humanitarian,” Mr Witkoff was filmed saying, while addressing Putin.
“You are a humanitarian also, sir, and I salute that, I commend you and I thank you again.”

The meeting coincided with civilian casualties in Ukraine being at their highest in years, according to the United Nations.
The Russian president has been accused of deliberately targeting civilians with drones and missiles, as well as civilian infrastructure such as energy facilities and bridges.
The International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for Putin in March 2023 over the unlawful deportation of children, while numerous war crimes – such as summary executions, torture and rape – have been documented against Ukrainians in occupied territories.
During the meeting at the grand Constantine Palace, Mr Witkoff also thanked Putin for making a deal with the US to supply much-needed diesel.
“We’ve brought some papers. It’s really some ideas, some sort of peace deal between Russia and Ukraine, and you’ll read that at your leisure,” he said.
He also urged Putin to consider resuming trilateral talks including Ukraine “as a next step in the peace process”, and told the Russian leader his talks with Mr Zelensky in Oslo were “productive”.
Putin conveyed his thanks to Mr Trump for his efforts to settle the conflict and said Russia was interested in restoring economic and bilateral ties with the US.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/676969ee4c4a4e52

Witkoff salutes ‘humanitarian’ Putin

Donald Trump’s envoy holds latest Ukraine peace talks with Russian president in St Petersburg

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/676969ee4c4a4e52

SerendipityJane · 21/10/2026 16:15

logicisall · 21/10/2026 16:10

Huh? This cosying up to Putin is way beyond a joke now.

Steve Witkoff told Vladimir Putin that he was a humanitarian and said he saluted him during peace talks on Ukraine in St Petersburg.
Donald Trump’s top envoy arrived in Russia’s second city on Wednesday to discuss proposals for a peace deal after a meeting with European representatives and Volodymyr Zelensky in Norway.
“You talk so much about my president, President Trump, being a humanitarian,” Mr Witkoff was filmed saying, while addressing Putin.
“You are a humanitarian also, sir, and I salute that, I commend you and I thank you again.”

The meeting coincided with civilian casualties in Ukraine being at their highest in years, according to the United Nations.
The Russian president has been accused of deliberately targeting civilians with drones and missiles, as well as civilian infrastructure such as energy facilities and bridges.
The International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for Putin in March 2023 over the unlawful deportation of children, while numerous war crimes – such as summary executions, torture and rape – have been documented against Ukrainians in occupied territories.
During the meeting at the grand Constantine Palace, Mr Witkoff also thanked Putin for making a deal with the US to supply much-needed diesel.
“We’ve brought some papers. It’s really some ideas, some sort of peace deal between Russia and Ukraine, and you’ll read that at your leisure,” he said.
He also urged Putin to consider resuming trilateral talks including Ukraine “as a next step in the peace process”, and told the Russian leader his talks with Mr Zelensky in Oslo were “productive”.
Putin conveyed his thanks to Mr Trump for his efforts to settle the conflict and said Russia was interested in restoring economic and bilateral ties with the US.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/676969ee4c4a4e52

Maybe Putin should get a Nobel Peace Prize.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 21/10/2026 16:15

RedTagAlan · 21/10/2026 14:57

I thought he enabled it, because his thing is SCOTUS. He wanted a conservative court, no matter what it took.

He was not Trump-and-co's opponent. He was one of Trump-and-co.

SerendipityJane · 21/10/2026 16:37

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Panda-monium - Trump Thread #170
ohreallyIsee · 21/10/2026 17:21

oh dear, what a shame

PerkingFaintly · 21/10/2026 21:47

Here we go, here are some articles about Russia seeding disinformation to chatbots, optimising its sites to be picked up by the bots rather than read by humans – because humans don't bother to click through and check.

Researchers Reveal How Russia’s Propaganda Network “Infects” Leading AI Chatbots
https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/researchers-reveal-how-russias-propaganda-network-infects-leading-ai-chatbots-7106
Pravda floods search results and web crawlers with pro-Kremlin propaganda, distorting how large language models process and present news and information. This results in Russian propaganda flooding the information space.
More than 3.6 million articles published in 2024 alone, entrenched in propaganda, have made their way into the outputs of Western AI systems, according to NewsGuard. The AI chatbots repeated false narratives laundered by the Pravda network 33% of the time, the audit revealed.
American Sunlight Project (ASP) has termed this tactic “LLM [large-language model] grooming.”

Claude and Mistral Echo Kremlin-Aligned Claims in Over 70% of Tested Answers
https://united24media.com/investigations/claude-and-mistral-echo-kremlin-aligned-claims-in-over-70-of-tested-answers-23655
The questions were built from data voids, meaning topics that Kremlin-aligned sites promote but that mainstream outlets rarely cover. In one example, GDI [Global Disinformation Index] examined a fabricated Russian claim that its forces had captured Volnoye (Ukrainian: Vilne), a real village in Ukraine's Dnipropetrovsk region. The report emphasized that the alleged Russian capture had never happened.
In the responses highlighted by GDI, neither model cited Ukrainian news outlets to substantiate the alleged capture.
[...]
GDI linked the findings to the rise of zero-click searches, which it put at around 60%, where users accept an AI summary without visiting the original source. “Whoever controls the AI answer summary will control the narrative,” GDI concluded.

Researchers Reveal How Russia’s Propaganda Network “Infects” Leading AI Chatbots

A pro-Kremlin network has deliberately infiltrated leading artificial intelligence chatbots with false narratives about Russia's war in Ukraine.

https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/researchers-reveal-how-russias-propaganda-network-infects-leading-ai-chatbots-7106

PerkingFaintly · 21/10/2026 21:49

I haven't watched it yet, but this looks like an interesting seminar on "LLM grooming".

https://www.disinfo.eu/outreach/our-webinars/10-april-llm-grooming-a-new-strategy-to-weaponise-ai-for-fimi-purposes/
Join us for a discussion with Sophia Freuden, a researcher from The American Sunlight Project, as she unpacks the emerging concept of LLM grooming – a novel strategy to manipulate large language models (LLMs) for foreign information manipulation and interference (FIMI) purposes.

We explore how the pro-Russia Pravda network appears to have mass-seeded LLMs with tailored inputs, potentially reshaping the way these systems learn, respond, and even influence the architecture of the internet itself. We examine what LLM grooming actually entails, what evidence points to coordinated activity by the Pravda network, and what this could mean for the future of AI and global information ecosystems. We also look at the wider consequences – political, social, and technological – and consider how both state and non-state actors might use similar tactics, and examine what can be done to mitigate these risks.

10 April: LLM grooming: a new strategy to weaponise AI for FIMI purposes - EU DisinfoLab

Join us for this session to unpack the emerging concept of LLM grooming – a novel strategy to manipulate large language models (LLMs) for foreign information manipulation and interference (FIMI) purposes.

https://www.disinfo.eu/outreach/our-webinars/10-april-llm-grooming-a-new-strategy-to-weaponise-ai-for-fimi-purposes

logicisall · 21/10/2026 22:32

I think the US is getting ready to launch attacks against the Houthis in Saudi Arabia
in about half a Zacharia or so, and expect some retaliation.

JERUSALEM/ISTANBUL/DUBAI, Oct 21 (Reuters) - The US State Department has ordered some diplomats and family members to depart from its missions in Saudi Arabia and plans to withdraw family members from a number of other US missions in the region, US officials told Reuters.
State Department spokesperson Tommy Pigott said in a post on X that the department ordered the departure of "non-emergency US government employees and their family members in Saudi Arabia only" amid attacks by the Iran-aligned Houthis in Yemen on civilian targets in the country.

walllaw · 21/10/2026 22:55

Has anyone here been following the controversy over the ad run by the Ramaswamy campaign in Ohio? It's the most nauseating thing I've ever seen. Vance is defending it.

Justsaynonow · 22/10/2026 00:55

walllaw · 21/10/2026 22:55

Has anyone here been following the controversy over the ad run by the Ramaswamy campaign in Ohio? It's the most nauseating thing I've ever seen. Vance is defending it.

I did read it was backfiring. Amy Acton has come out with a rebuttal.

Dr. Amy Acton (@amyactonoh) on X

Vivek Ramaswamy is not fit to lead. Watch our new ad.

https://x.com/amyactonoh/status/2112639257655279780

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 03:15

PerkingFaintly · 21/10/2026 21:47

Here we go, here are some articles about Russia seeding disinformation to chatbots, optimising its sites to be picked up by the bots rather than read by humans – because humans don't bother to click through and check.

Researchers Reveal How Russia’s Propaganda Network “Infects” Leading AI Chatbots
https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/researchers-reveal-how-russias-propaganda-network-infects-leading-ai-chatbots-7106
Pravda floods search results and web crawlers with pro-Kremlin propaganda, distorting how large language models process and present news and information. This results in Russian propaganda flooding the information space.
More than 3.6 million articles published in 2024 alone, entrenched in propaganda, have made their way into the outputs of Western AI systems, according to NewsGuard. The AI chatbots repeated false narratives laundered by the Pravda network 33% of the time, the audit revealed.
American Sunlight Project (ASP) has termed this tactic “LLM [large-language model] grooming.”

Claude and Mistral Echo Kremlin-Aligned Claims in Over 70% of Tested Answers
https://united24media.com/investigations/claude-and-mistral-echo-kremlin-aligned-claims-in-over-70-of-tested-answers-23655
The questions were built from data voids, meaning topics that Kremlin-aligned sites promote but that mainstream outlets rarely cover. In one example, GDI [Global Disinformation Index] examined a fabricated Russian claim that its forces had captured Volnoye (Ukrainian: Vilne), a real village in Ukraine's Dnipropetrovsk region. The report emphasized that the alleged Russian capture had never happened.
In the responses highlighted by GDI, neither model cited Ukrainian news outlets to substantiate the alleged capture.
[...]
GDI linked the findings to the rise of zero-click searches, which it put at around 60%, where users accept an AI summary without visiting the original source. “Whoever controls the AI answer summary will control the narrative,” GDI concluded.

Interesting.

I have often wondered how Chinese LLMs work with the great firewall.

I remember their first one, DeepSeek, had manual programming overrides on "sensitive" issues, and that suggests the greater web was used. But I also recall there was talk of a nicked data set being used. But anyway, if Chinese LLMs can only use Chinese web, I would have thought that would be different to free world LLMs.

But yes. If flat earthers were to flood the web with "the earth is flat", I daresay AI ( SI sorry), would eventually end up saying the same?

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 03:46

This is of interest.

Meta ordered to pay $25 billion in New Mexico case over Cambridge Analytica scandal | CNN Business

Fuzzy memory again. Was Bannon not mixed up in this ?

Ah yes. He was.

How Steve Bannon used Cambridge Analytica to further his alt-right vision for America | CNN Politics

"Former Cambridge Analytica staffers tell CNN that Bannon’s vision came to fruition through their previous employer, which they described as a weapon of psychological warfare. They say that Cambridge Analytica’s parent company had worked on government and military contracts that aimed to change foreign populations’ behaviors, which aligned with Bannon’s intentions.

Two former employees said that Bannon was personally involved in the company’s early stages and that he played a direct role shaping its strategy and goals."

“This was Steve Bannon’s baby,” said former contractor Christopher Wylie, who described Cambridge Analytica as “Bannon’s arsenal of weaponry to wage a culture war on America using military strategies.”

Tut tut.

I need to upgrade.

Panda-monium - Trump Thread #170
RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 04:26

A press gaggle. A wee one, so less of a gaggle, maybe more of a quackle ? Hmm... what's in this coffee ?

Anyway. This ties up with the discussion here yesterday, about what is wrong and how to fix it. I think so anyway.

Press Gaggle: Donald Trump Speaks to Reporters After Marine One Arrival - October 20, 2026 — Trump Archive (trump-archive.com)

So let's hear the quacks in this quackle.

"QUESTION 00:00:00-00:00:02 (3 SEC)
Mr. President, how is the ballroom coming, sir?"

Hello again Mrs Fox. Raymond, go deliver that Brisket while I deal with Mrs Fox. ( Who gets that reference ).

"DONALD TRUMP 00:00:02-00:00:03 (1 SEC)

Great."

Great stuff Don. A new persona? Man of few words ? We like it.

"It will be the best anywhere in the world. It's gonna be great. Thank you."

Maybe not.

"QUESTION 00:00:11-00:00:13 (2 SEC)
How was the rally in North Carolina [Inaudible]?"

"It was a great rally, and we're gonna see some very good results. The, uh, rally was fantastic. Thank you."

"QUESTION 00:00:20-00:00:23 (3 SEC)
Is $400 million enough to win in November?"

"Hope so."

And that's it.

What a stunning question really. And a more stunning answer. The whole idea of the concept of money in politics just being accepted as normal. That election outcomes in a democratic system comes down to how much is spent. Fuck policy and ideas, it's just money.

As I have said before, I see universal suffrage democracy as a new experiment in humanity. And we have not even got to the universal suffrage bit without the whole experiment being corrupted. And here we have POTUS, the so called defender of world democracy, the person who is supposed to be driving this experiment, openly endorsing the corruption.

And meanwhile, the Lisa Simpsons of this world, the people who want to see real change for the benefit of all, or for as many as possible, they have no chance. They have been priced out.

Press Gaggle: Donald Trump Speaks to Reporters After Marine One Arrival - October 20, 2026

Question: Mr. President, how is the ballroom coming, sir? Donald Trump: Great. Question: [Inaudible] North Carolina? Donald Trump: It will be the best anywhe…

https://trump-archive.com/item/8985be0e-157d-4f33-9312-208a63996b48

Justsaynonow · 22/10/2026 06:34

Justsaynonow · 22/10/2026 00:55

I did read it was backfiring. Amy Acton has come out with a rebuttal.

Good community note

https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/2112715555434283204

sigh. link issues again

Llttledrummergirl · 22/10/2026 08:23

walllaw · 21/10/2026 22:55

Has anyone here been following the controversy over the ad run by the Ramaswamy campaign in Ohio? It's the most nauseating thing I've ever seen. Vance is defending it.

The White house is being run by the best friend of a paedophile, with whom he spent much time enjoying lots of parties with young girls brought there by a women he is trying to release from prison.

He is named thousands of times in evidence gathered from the young girls involved.

Half his close advisors have wives who were babies when they were grown adults.

Why is this a surprise? The whole fucking lot is rotten.

Spandauer · 22/10/2026 09:35

Justsaynonow · 22/10/2026 00:58

I also read that there seem to be issues with machines flipping votes in some states.

I hope that this isn't true and just a case of a few fat fingers. But I've now learnt that the worst you can imagine is going to be true with 🍊💩, Musk et al.

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Spandauer · 22/10/2026 09:50

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 04:26

A press gaggle. A wee one, so less of a gaggle, maybe more of a quackle ? Hmm... what's in this coffee ?

Anyway. This ties up with the discussion here yesterday, about what is wrong and how to fix it. I think so anyway.

Press Gaggle: Donald Trump Speaks to Reporters After Marine One Arrival - October 20, 2026 — Trump Archive (trump-archive.com)

So let's hear the quacks in this quackle.

"QUESTION 00:00:00-00:00:02 (3 SEC)
Mr. President, how is the ballroom coming, sir?"

Hello again Mrs Fox. Raymond, go deliver that Brisket while I deal with Mrs Fox. ( Who gets that reference ).

"DONALD TRUMP 00:00:02-00:00:03 (1 SEC)

Great."

Great stuff Don. A new persona? Man of few words ? We like it.

"It will be the best anywhere in the world. It's gonna be great. Thank you."

Maybe not.

"QUESTION 00:00:11-00:00:13 (2 SEC)
How was the rally in North Carolina [Inaudible]?"

"It was a great rally, and we're gonna see some very good results. The, uh, rally was fantastic. Thank you."

"QUESTION 00:00:20-00:00:23 (3 SEC)
Is $400 million enough to win in November?"

"Hope so."

And that's it.

What a stunning question really. And a more stunning answer. The whole idea of the concept of money in politics just being accepted as normal. That election outcomes in a democratic system comes down to how much is spent. Fuck policy and ideas, it's just money.

As I have said before, I see universal suffrage democracy as a new experiment in humanity. And we have not even got to the universal suffrage bit without the whole experiment being corrupted. And here we have POTUS, the so called defender of world democracy, the person who is supposed to be driving this experiment, openly endorsing the corruption.

And meanwhile, the Lisa Simpsons of this world, the people who want to see real change for the benefit of all, or for as many as possible, they have no chance. They have been priced out.

I honestly don't think anyone would miss press questions now. They are utterly pointless given that his press quackle (love it!) are almost entirely from RW/MAGA outlets now.

I can't remember if it was on this thread (so apologies if this has already been noted) but apparently Trump is thinking of getting rid of the press briefing room in the WH and returning it to being an indoor swimming pool (as originally installed by FDR and covered over by Nixon) so presumably there would be no need for a new press Barbie either.

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CaveMum · 22/10/2026 10:06

I just saw this on Facebook about the disgusting Ramaswamy:

When Dr. Amy Acton was twelve years old, she testified before a grand jury against the stepfather who had raped her. Her mother, rather than stand with her daughter, stood with the man accused of the crime backing him in court, then staying married to him until he died decades later. The last time Acton saw her mother was in that courtroom, in 1978, when she leaned in to kiss her goodbye and her mother turned her cheek away. Nearly half a century later, her mother has resurfaced in a $4 million attack ad, paid for by Acton's opponent in the race for governor of Ohio, calling her daughter a liar.

The opponent is Vivek Ramaswamy, the hard-right biotech billionaire who briefly co-led Elon Musk's disastrous DOGE initiative and has sought to position himself as Trump's successor. He confirmed on Tuesday that the ad came from his campaign. Acton's brother, Philip Stearns, who was removed from their mother's custody along with Amy as children, denounced it as "despicable."

"Our birth mother stayed married to Amy's rapist until he died," Stearns said. "This desperate, disgusting attack reveals exactly who Vivek Ramaswamy is at his core -- a pathetic excuse for a man who is willing to hurt anyone as long as it gets him what he wants."

The ad itself is built on a cruel sleight of hand. In it, Acton's estranged mother, Donna Arthur, does not explicitly address the sexual abuse she chose to ignore; instead, she tells Ohioans that her daughter lies about her childhood, claiming that the hardships Acton has described surviving never happened. It is a case made entirely on the word of a woman who, the last time it mattered, chose a child's rapist over the child.

The ad's premise that Acton cannot be trusted to recount the harsh realities of her own childhood collapses against the legal record, though the facts have never seemed to matter much to the Ramaswamy campaign. Court documents obtained this week by ABC 6 in Columbus corroborate what Acton has said for years. In 1978, after her biological father reported the abuse to police, her stepfather, Cledith Arthur, was indicted for raping her -- a girl, the charge read, "less than thirteen" years of age.

It was not the first such accusation against her stepfather: four years earlier, Arthur had been charged with incest for allegedly raping his own daughter, before he ever married Acton's mother. In Acton's case, he pleaded not guilty and fled the state before trial, and Acton and her brother were removed from their mother's custody. "I've never lied," she told a reporter, pointing to the grand jury testimony and the arrests that are all a matter of record.

Even in a campaign season full of ugly attacks, this one provoked widespread revulsion, even from many of Ramaswamy's fellow Republicans. Meghan McCain called the ad "dastardly." Nikki Haley, the former Republican governor of South Carolina who ran against Ramaswamy in the 2024 Republican presidential primary during which he dragged her teenage daughter into a debate said simply, "He's a bad guy. It's a shame he continues to get away with it." A Republican operative told Politico the obvious: "It's so gross to forsake family members for politics... It's just morally bad."

Then there was JD Vance. When asked on Wednesday about the ad, Vance said that he was "disgusted" -- not by Ramaswamy's attempt to exploit a woman's childhood rape to score political points, but by his fellow Republicans for daring to criticize it. He told them to "stop whining about an advertisement and go win the race."

The depravity of running such an attack ad one featuring a woman who abandoned her children to stand by her daughter's rapist is clearly irrelevant not just to Vance but to Ramaswamy and his campaign, which is pouring $4 million into airing it statewide, reportedly because it tested well with "persuadable" voters. That is the calculation: that a woman's childhood rape, and a mother's betrayal, are worth putting on television if the numbers come back right.

Acton, who would be the first woman ever elected governor of Ohio, has refused to treat it as politics as usual. "I won't normalize somebody who has said that my childhood is something I'm just complaining about," she said, declining to share a debate stage with Ramaswamy. Of the mother in the ad, she was more sympathetic than most would have been, given the circumstances: "It's sad to see this. Obviously, she's not doing well... I've known for a long time she's troubled."

Acton has held a slight lead in nearly every poll for the past month though forecasters still rate the race a toss-up even as she has been buried on the airwaves, outspent on advertising by Ramaswamy and his allies by more than three to one. Whether it helps him or sinks him on November 3 is for Ohio to decide. But Americans across the political spectrum have already rejected the weaponizing of a woman's childhood rape as a campaign tactic for what it is: disgusting, and pathetically desperate.

To learn more about Dr. Amy Acton's campaign, visit actonforgovernor.com

To read more about the attack ad against Dr. Acton, visit www.nytimes.com/2026/10/20/us/politics/ramaswamy-campaign-ad-acton-estranged-mother-donna-arthur.html?unlocked_article_code=1.KVE.PzFe.HAdiLc6oRitB&smid=url-share

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