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Spandauer · 29/09/2026 19:01

Mid-terms looming, approval falling, prices rising, wars ongoing - Ping Ping and Fu Shuang must be wondering what heinous crime they committed to be banished chosen as envoys of friendship between China and USA. 🐼🐼

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RedTagAlan · 15/10/2026 18:05

placemats · 15/10/2026 17:58

Anyone else finding that posting is difficult today?

Had a one double post, which was odd. But doing other things today.

Maybe it is US big tech, reminding us that WE NEED THEM. As discussed yesterday.

SerendipityJane · 15/10/2026 18:14

RedTagAlan · 15/10/2026 18:05

Had a one double post, which was odd. But doing other things today.

Maybe it is US big tech, reminding us that WE NEED THEM. As discussed yesterday.

I noticed one wag on El Reg noted that story suggests that Europe could get €115 billion by investing in itself rather than the US.

RedTagAlan · 15/10/2026 18:21

SerendipityJane · 15/10/2026 18:14

I noticed one wag on El Reg noted that story suggests that Europe could get €115 billion by investing in itself rather than the US.

And get the profit.

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Echobelly · 15/10/2026 18:32

RedTagAlan · 15/10/2026 16:04

GOOD NEWS ?

Actually, probably his plan. Come out with something really stupid, get a stooge to suggest it, then Trump to the rescue.

Nah, he's not that clever. Someone's just come back to him and said 'That's not playing well with the electorate'. I doubt this decision will raise his currency that much with gas being so expensive.

LizzieW1969 · 15/10/2026 20:40

BruceAndNosh · 15/10/2026 16:01

Trump has finally been convinced that a public execution will make him look bad. That's all he cares about

Only because he doesn't want his poll ratings to go down even further, with the midterms about to happen.

LizzieW1969 · 15/10/2026 20:41

LizzieW1969 · 15/10/2026 20:40

Only because he doesn't want his poll ratings to go down even further, with the midterms about to happen.

Still, whatever the motivation, I'm glad that the execution won’t be live streamed now.

CaveMum · 16/10/2026 07:32

Today’s HC-R, and it’s a belter!

October 15, 2026 (Thursday)

There is an old saying about rats and sinking ships. There’s also an old saying about how a democratic system taken over by a single party quickly becomes corrupt because the ruling party lacks oversight. Then, as corruption becomes the party’s driving force, the only people willing to work for it are either corrupt themselves or so unqualified they support the corrupt leadership to gain power, knowing that in a merit-based system it would be entirely out of their reach.

OK, that second old saying is shared mostly among political scientists, but it’s accurate, and it’s right up there with the rats and the ships to describe what’s happening in Trump’s orbit now.

The saga of Kimberly Guilfoyle, who was recently forced to resign from her post as U.S. Ambassador to Greece, continues to expand. Guilfoyle left her post after news broke that she had tried to get a donor, Eric Deters, to pay down her credit card debt. She and her lawyers countered the story by claiming Deters was withholding money she had earned, and said the text messages he shared with news outlets were false.

Guilfoyle dated Don Jr. from 2018 to 2024 and was engaged to him the last four years of that time. Now there are rumors that during her time inside the family as a trusted loyalist, she kept a “burn book” about the family.

While that may or may not be true, the fact that there’s such a threat out there reflects the cracking loyalties of Trump insiders. More to the point might be the video released today by Deters himself, saying he had launched a lawsuit against Guilfoyle for defamation and that he would depose her and Don Jr. and demand subpoenas to clear his name. He also vowed to play a 16-minute phone conversation tomorrow that he claims has information which “might just bring down the entire Trump administration, an administration which I have supported from Day One.”

Note that the story of Guilfoyle’s alleged shakedown is breaking now, although it happened more than a year ago.

Also in the category of old stories coming to the surface is one reported yesterday by Marc Caputo of Axios. He wrote that Trump’s former lawyer Alina Habba is saying that another one of Trump's advisors, Ric Grenell, did not deposit her billionaire husband’s $5.6 million donation to the Kennedy Center. According to Habba, Grenell asked that the donation be routed through a $17.6 million payment for a business deal, an accusation Grenell called “absurd.”

Trump appointed Grenell to be U.S. Ambassador to Germany and then acting director of national intelligence during his first term. After retaking office, he named Grenell as a special envoy to Venezuela before putting him in charge of the Kennedy Center.

A fight that has been going on for more than a year in the administration broke into the open this morning in a Politico story by Daniel Lippman. He explained that Trump named Italian Paolo Zampolli, a former modeling agent who introduced Trump to First Lady Melania Trump at a party in New York City, as a special envoy at the State Department with a portfolio of cultural diplomacy. But Zampolli apparently ignored that assignment and struck out on his own on a wide range of issues, infuriating Deputy Secretary of State Christopher Landau.

“My number-one boss is the president of America,” Zampolli told James Fontanella-Khan of the Financial Times in April. “I get my instructions from the White House, Commerce and the Department of War…anything to advance the America First agenda.” More than 16 administration officials have been included in the angry email chains Zampolli and Landau have exchanged, which at one point led to communications about the fight with a top-level foreign official.

At one point Zampolli accused Landau of leaking to reporters what appeared to be the story that Zampolli had tried to get custody of his son by asking Immigrations and Customs Enforcement to deport Amanda Ungaro, the boy’s mother. That story created its own scandal when Ungaro, a former model, threatened to expose information about the president and first lady. Landau responded to Zampolli’s accusation, which he sent to more than a dozen other officials, saying: “Your threats and accusations are getting more and more bizarre, defamatory, and inappropriate for broad dissemination on email.”

An administration official told Lippman that the State Department was “generally squeaky clean and professional and above it all.” In contrast, these exchanges were “cartoonish and embarrassing.”

By this afternoon, Lippman had a follow-up story: Zampolli had been fired.

It is not just the current associates of the president who are problematic. Today, news broke that two women have named former Republican representative Matt Gaetz (R-FL), along with his friend former Seminole County tax collector Joel Greenberg and others, in a civil lawsuit, alleging that from 2017 through January 2019, “Gaetz and Greenberg coordinated recruitment, payments, drugs, and travel to obtain commercial sexual acts….”

In 2024, the House Ethics Committee reported that Gaetz “regularly” paid women, as well as a 17-year-old girl, for sex, and bought and used illicit drugs while a member of Congress. Those accusations helped to sink Trump’s nomination of Gaetz for U.S. attorney general in 2025.

Gaetz’s response was hardly a denial: “I look forward to taking the plaintiffs’ depositions because much of the conduct alleged against me is false,” he wrote. “The lawsuit relies almost exclusively on a Congressional Committee Report that didn’t allow me to confront my accusers. Now I will finally have that chance.”

One has to wonder why anyone would want to be part of such a mess, but Trump’s new White House press secretary provides an answer: in a normal administration she would never make it through the door. Trump has described Katie Zacharia as an “attorney,” and she has identified herself as a “general counsel” and seemed to claim she worked as an attorney in China.

But after Judd Legum of Popular Information noted there was no sign she had ever passed the bar exam or been admitted to a state bar, Philip Wegmann and Alexandra Bruell of the Wall Street Journal reported today that, in fact, she failed the California bar exam when she took it. That, itself, is not unusual—the California bar exam is notoriously difficult—but it does mean she is not qualified to call herself an attorney.

Democracy Defenders Fund, a nonpartisan team defending democracy led by attorney Norm Eisen, has asked the State Bar of California and California Attorney General Rob Bonta to investigate whether Zacharia practiced law without a license in California, where doing so is a crime.

Tonight, on his show, Fox News Channel personality Sean Hannity seemed to undercut Zacharia, asking her why she had chosen to describe herself as an attorney when she could just have said she “went to Pepperdine Law School and then took a different career path.” Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo noted that Hannity’s stance likely reflected that Trump is turning on her.

Rhein Amacher, the man who started a right-wing media frenzy when he claimed to have proof that Democratic Texas Senate candidate James Talarico had sought mental health treatment in Ohio, backed away from that claim today…sort of. Amid suggestions that he might well have run afoul of HIPAA penalties for trying to obtain health information duplicitously, he posted that “this entire situation has been blown completely out of proportion,” and wrote, “As far as I’m concerned, this matter is closed.” Later, in response to a post saying he had lied, he added: “Never lied, I just doubled down on wrong information.”

A blockbuster story by Jonathan O’Connell, Sarah Blaskey, and Aaron Schaffer of the Washington Post today explained that the administration has been able to keep donations for Trump’s ballroom largely secret by using a nonprofit to collect the donations and then channeling that money “into a White House account the president directly controls.”

The reporters gained access to a list of the 57 donors who have committed to giving $100,000 or more to the project. They found that “the vast majority of the funds raised came from companies and wealthy individuals with interests before the federal government.” Large technology companies Nvidia and Apple committed $25 million each. Microsoft, Palantir, and Lockheed Martin pledged $10 million each.

Individuals on the list who are associated with Trump include Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick’s son Brandon, chair of investment bank Cantor Fitzgerald, who contributed stock worth more than $2.5 million, and the U.S. ambassador to the Netherlands, Republican donor Joseph Popolo Jr., and his wife, who gave $1 million. Missing from the list is Trump himself, who claimed he would be helping to pay for the project.

Sarah Longwell of The Bulwark was right when she called the ballroom being constructed where the East Wing of the White House used to be “a monument to corruption” built by “a corrupt American president.”

On Tuesday, Charles Gorrivan, Lydia Beyoud, and Nicola M. White of Bloomberg reported that on March 23, a few traders placed billions of dollars of contracts predicting that the price of oil would fall just 15 minutes before Trump posted on his social media platform that he had changed his mind about striking Iranian power plants. The deals were worth billions, and analysts from the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) flagged the traders and the deals and sent a referral to the Division of Enforcement to decide whether to open an investigation into insider trading. But in a virtually unheard-of move, the administration asked the CFTC to withdraw the referral.

The journalists note both that there have been many trades apparently tied to Trump's announcements and that between a 20% cut to CFTC staff during Trump’s second term and the agency chair’s vow to curb “over-zealous regulation,” enforcement actions have dropped dramatically from the numbers during the Biden administration.

Steven Portnoy and Katherine Faulders of ABC News reported today that the White House is claiming that all Trump’s conversations about plans to renovate the Kennedy Center are covered by executive privilege and therefore can be kept secret. This is a dramatic expansion of the concept of executive privilege, which enables the president to shield conversations with key advisors from public scrutiny, extending it to consider virtually all conversations private.

Apparently in anticipation of Democratic investigations, Attorney General Todd Blanche issued a memo as soon as he took office, claiming presidents can shield “presidential communications with private advisers so long as the communications relate to official presidential decisionmaking.”

A new Fox News poll released today showed that voters’ top concern is “corruption in government,” with 88% worried about it compared to 12% who are not. Corruption tops even “inflation and high prices,” which comes in at 85%, and “gas prices,” which concern 83% of voters.

In a conversation with Rob Finnerty of Newsmax, aired tonight, Trump suggested he would pardon everyone in the administration, including himself, to make sure none of the people around him have to “go through years of nonsense, hire lawyers and everything else, all for nothing.”

It is no wonder that Republicans eager to stop Trump are backing Democratic candidates for the midterms. Today, 58 Republicans and Independents in New Hampshire declared their support for the Democratic Senate candidate, Representative Chris Pappas, over Republican candidate John Sununu. Those supporters include Don Bolduc, who was Trump’s pick for the Senate in 2022 but who lost to Democrat Maggie Hassan by 9 points after he embraced Trump’s claim to have won the 2020 election.

One of the Republicans supporting Pappas told Kevin Landrigan of the New Hampshire Union Leader: “Donald Trump has turned the Republican Party into something I no longer recognize.”

logicisall · 16/10/2026 09:29

My post yesterday @ 15:08 is now unhidden. It has more of the Washington Post article on donors to the ballroom fund mentioned above.

RedTagAlan · 16/10/2026 09:59

Well, I am not a lawyer, as most people can tell.

"In her interview on Real America’s Voice, Zacharia pointed to the advice she said she had been given about identifying herself as a “lawyer,” adding that her degree helped support her use of the term."

“They said absolutely across the board, you can call yourself a lawyer, you have a JD, and, to buffer that, you have international legal experience in transactional law, which gives you the ability to analyze it, not necessarily give advice,” Zacharia told the outlet."

Source :

The new White House press secretary failed the bar exam. She shared posts calling her an attorney anyway. | CNN Politics

Maybe she should have checked if the person who gave her the advice was an actual lawyer. Because she aint.

Lets see if the California Bar step up.

"A watchdog group, Campaign for Accountability, has asked the State Bar of California to investigate whether Zacharia misrepresented her legal qualifications."

I don't make this post as a witch hunt. My angle is honesty in politics. And also taking responsibility for their own actions. As in, " Oh I would love to be your new press sec Mr President, but I can't because there is something I have been, and am being, dishonest about. So I am not suited to public office"

The new White House press secretary failed the bar exam. She shared posts calling her an attorney anyway. | CNN Politics

New White House press secretary Katie Zacharia shared at least 15 social media posts identifying her as an “attorney” over the past two years, despite having failed the California bar exam and acknowledging publicly she had been advised not to use that...

https://us.cnn.com/2026/10/15/politics/katie-zacharia-attorney-posts

iwishitwouldstartraining · 16/10/2026 14:08

"Oh I would love to be your new press sec Mr President, but I can't because there is something I have been, and am being, dishonest about. So I am not suited to public office"

"Well those are exactly the qualities we require in a press secretary. Start tomorrow".

CaveMum · 16/10/2026 14:11

The Mooch wants KZ to stick around a while yet, otherwise we’re going to have to start measuring things in Zacharia’s rather than Scaramucci’s!

TemporarilyCantDoMyself · 16/10/2026 14:49

Isn't it? I'm so hoping that Zelenskyy will prove to be Putin's Nemesis. And that it happens soon so that I live long enough to see it and celebrate it.
When Putin and Trump kark it we should have a massive mumsnet party! 😂

RedTagAlan · 16/10/2026 15:21

From that article :

"In a statement sent to The Register, Microsoft said it does not share the CMA’s views in its proposed decision on business software solutions."

Aint that a surprise.

I think patents are a problem here. I just looked up some rough data. Microsoft published 283 patents in the last 90 days. Very difficult to compete with that. Yes, MS has to be able to protect its investment in R&D, but at the same time it strangles competition. A software team comes up with what they think is a new way to do something, do a patent check, and boom, MS has a patent, that they maybe do not use. They weaponize the patent system.

SerendipityJane · 16/10/2026 15:23

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/10/16/richard-branson-trump-is-appeasing-dictators-and-autocrats/

Sir Richard Branson has accused Donald Trump of being “an appeaser to autocrats and dictators”.

The outspoken Virgin Group founder criticised Mr Trump on LinkedIn in response to reports that the US president had blocked Ukraine from the Pentagon’s Starshield system, a critical defensive and battlefield support system.

The British billionaire wrote: “The Trump administration has become an appeaser to autocrats and dictators, putting their personal whims before the best interests of the American people and those of the free world.
“How will America’s allies ever be able to trust this administration again, when they are now turning against them at a time of war and suffering?”
Sir Richard is among just a handful of corporate executives who have been prepared to criticise Mr Trump publicly, and has been escalating his attacks this week.
In a series of posts this week, he criticised both Mr Trump’s diesel deal with Vladimir Putin and also the US president’s subsequent verbal attacks on Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukraine’s leader.
On Monday, he described Mr Trump’s deal with Putin for 1.8 million tonnes of Russian diesel as “the most astonishing act of hypocrisy I’ve seen in my lifetime, and I’ve been around for 76 years”.

Sir Richard claimed the hypocrisy lay in the fact that Mr Trump only last month signed into law a policy that allowed Washington to impose tariffs on other countries that bought Russian or Iranian oil.
He also said the White House’s gradual loss of interest in Ukraine had evolved into “a bloody backstabbing”.
He said on Tuesday that Mr Trump’s comments on Mr Zelensky’s culpability for the war were “beyond belief”. On Thursday, he warned that “the free world” could be “dismantled before our very eyes”.
Sir Richard regularly airs his views on political issues, particularly on climate change. More recently he has advocated closer relations between Britain and the EU.
But he is almost alone among executives in launching such scathing attacks on Mr Trump.
Jamie Dimon, the boss of JP Morgan Chase, has occasionally spoken in favour of policies that challenge the White House. He has backed the independence of the US Federal Reserve and recently proposed building “a big, beautiful relationship” with the EU.

Albert Bourla, the boss of Pfizer, has meanwhile criticised the views of Robert F Kennedy Jr, the US health secretary, on vaccinations.
But few directly attack Mr Trump’s decisions for fear of retribution.
Chrystia Freeland, the former Canadian deputy prime minister, wrote in the Financial Times on Friday that if Mr Trump suffered defeat in the Nov 3 midterms, it could trigger more open attacks on him from Wall Street corporate titans.
She wrote: “I have had more than a dozen conversations with US CEOs who have apologised to me for their president’s conduct and told me he is hurting America and the world.”
She said many still feared being punished for speaking out but were now poised to move with the herd.
“Trump’s naked betrayal of Ukraine and open support for Putin could be the last straw,” she said.
The White House was contacted for comment.

SerendipityJane · 16/10/2026 15:26

RedTagAlan · 16/10/2026 15:21

From that article :

"In a statement sent to The Register, Microsoft said it does not share the CMA’s views in its proposed decision on business software solutions."

Aint that a surprise.

I think patents are a problem here. I just looked up some rough data. Microsoft published 283 patents in the last 90 days. Very difficult to compete with that. Yes, MS has to be able to protect its investment in R&D, but at the same time it strangles competition. A software team comes up with what they think is a new way to do something, do a patent check, and boom, MS has a patent, that they maybe do not use. They weaponize the patent system.

That leads onto the topic of patenting software. And whether it should ever have been allowed.

SerendipityJane · 16/10/2026 15:29

For people who love meta irony, here is JRM ripping Tucker Carlson a new one

I have to admit JRM absolutely owned this.

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RedTagAlan · 16/10/2026 15:44

SerendipityJane · 16/10/2026 15:26

That leads onto the topic of patenting software. And whether it should ever have been allowed.

Indeed, and that is a massive can of worms.

However, I remember something from a few years back, And here it is.

"To avoid a lawsuit, Donald Trump’s social media site is quietly acknowledging the computer code powering the platform comes from Mastodon.

Trump’s “Truth Social” site now features a dedicated section labeled “open source,” which contains a Zip archive to Mastodon’s source code. “Our goal is to support the open source community no matter what your political beliefs are. That's why the first place we go to find amazing software is the community and not ‘Big Tech,’” the site adds."

Trump's social media site quietly admits it's based on Mastodon (mashable.com)

Trumps own TRUTH SOCIAL is built on freeware. And he tried to get around the T&Cs of publishing the code Sneaky.

There was a similar thing in the PRC. They had blocked GITHUB in the country because it has a forum section that was being used by some #Me Too women. ( as I recall, could be wrong). But a while later, the PRC announced its own "fully domestic designed and coded PC OS. No eagle eyes need for people to spot something. "Hey, that's Linux". And Github is the repository for Linux distros, so they had to lift that ban, and publish the source code. As per T&Cs.

Not even Trump or the CPC wants to be in the press for fighting a freeware org.

That might a be a weak point?

Trump's social media site quietly admits it's based on Mastodon

Mastodon had originally threatened to sue Trump's "Truth Social" site for allegedly violating its open-source license.

https://sea.mashable.com/tech/18444/trumps-social-media-site-quietly-admits-its-based-on-mastodon#:~:text=To%20avoid%20a%20lawsuit%2C%20Donald%20Trump%E2%80%99s%20social%20media,computer%20code%20powering%20the%20platform%20comes%20from%20Mastodon.

Pedallleur · 16/10/2026 18:30

Zacharia may be on her way out acc to news reports

BustingBaoBun · 16/10/2026 18:35

What a surprise!
Her push back today on various channels was a bit weak. Especially on the Attorney/Not an Attorney

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 16/10/2026 18:36

Good lord, off already? The pace of decay is accelerating.

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