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To think Andy Burnham needs to start to show us he can talk about more than "the north" and "buses"

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joeymaynardssandwiches · 24/08/2026 10:47

I want to get behind Andy Burnham, I feel he's got the potential to be a great counterpoint to the rise of reform. And I do know it's "silly season" in politics and with parliament closed I guess there's a limit on what initiatives can be announced

But so far it feels like he hasn't broken away from being a northern caricature who just bangs on about buses.

I'm a "northerner" (who always thought of Manchester as the part of Midlands Wink) but I can only do my job in the south and I can assure Andy there are big pockets of deprivation in the south too.

And I am all for public transport, and investment in it. But it just feels like a real "low hanging fruit" approach for his first few weeks and I want to hear him talk about thornier and less uncontroversial issues.

And admittedly I haven't been reading every news story in depth as I have been busy with the kids so he may have discussed other things. But that is my overriding impression at the moment and it feels a bit frustrating

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Violetdeparma · 29/08/2026 09:25

Papyrophile · 27/08/2026 16:31

It's expensive to hire people after RR loaded NI costs onto employers, so they aren't hiring as many. If the NMW is the same for skilled and unskilled people per hour, then the experienced people get the jobs.

The UK has almost the highest energy costs in the world, thanks to the stupid pricing structure built to force consumers to fund Net Zero, so manufacturing is going to locations where energy is cheaper.

These two factors are suppressing growth.

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The next boss went into great detail as to why labour has made it hard for them to continue to hire young people .

I don't understand why they don't listen to actual bosses of huge high street companies
The sports direct man and marks and Spencer have all spoken out in horror of laboirs policies

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 29/08/2026 09:46

Visiblyabove25 · 29/08/2026 09:05

It’s really not surprising that Andy Burnham
refers to himself as a socialist, he’s the leader of the Labour Party, and the Labour Party is a democratic socialist party: it’s literally printed on their membership cards.

You don’t need to worry about it being “one step away from communism though”. The word socialism means different things in different contexts. When a British Labour politician calls themselves a socialist, they don’t mean they’re planning to overthrow capitalism or abolish private property.

Andy Burnham is well within the mainstream, centre-left European tradition.

I had no idea that Labour was a democratic socialist party. I need to fall down that particular rabbit hole and have a good read. I know they were traditionally the party of Unions, I just hadn’t thought a huge amount beyond that.

Visiblyabove25 · 29/08/2026 10:49

Violetdeparma · 29/08/2026 09:25

The next boss went into great detail as to why labour has made it hard for them to continue to hire young people .

I don't understand why they don't listen to actual bosses of huge high street companies
The sports direct man and marks and Spencer have all spoken out in horror of laboirs policies

Well, for starters Sports Direct have a notoriously atrocious track record on worker’s rights. They were forced to pay back a huge amount of money after they were found to have underpaid staff below the minimum wage. So, it’s no surprise they’re horrified: their business model relies on cost-cutting at the expense of their workers.

In terms of listening to retail and business leaders more generally though, a massive part of Andy Burnham’s philosophy is that the public and private sector should work together for public good, so, I do think we’re going to see more of that, like with the Sainsbury’s scheme that’s just been announced.

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