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Jason Arday dead

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ThisWiseRobin · 14/08/2026 22:01

Just putting this out there, but just heared.A sad end to a whole sorry mess.

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DestituteDesperate · 15/08/2026 23:53

Jane379 · 15/08/2026 23:50

Sowell had a point.

I'd caution about including Malcolm X in the same bracket as that though. He accurately perceived that at least some white liberals were using black people as a pawn (arguably to some extent we're all pawns to politicians) but he died in 1964.

The civil rights movements was at its height then and many liberals took genuine political and safety risks (in the case of activists on the ground) for it, that wasn't simply 'performative nonsense'. Arguably it's unsurprising X was negative given his well-known Nation of Islam views on white people (which in some ways aren't that different from CRT), although these did later mellow.

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NOI played a role in his death, they’re now commonly seen as a joke but at one time had a choke hold on Black Americans and their conversion to Muslims in the NOI sense not the Islam we traditionally think of

DestituteDesperate · 15/08/2026 23:54

Jane379 · 15/08/2026 23:52

He's certainly cranky about woke stuff, has done several good books on it. I think by temperament he's liberal, he just doesn't like woke/90s PC extremism.

One could argue by temperament he is a typical black conservative in the traditional sense.

the Democrat party was that of the Klan, Black people traditionally voted Republican and held conservative views when it came to marriage, religion and morality etc.

Jane379 · 16/08/2026 00:15

DestituteDesperate · 15/08/2026 23:54

One could argue by temperament he is a typical black conservative in the traditional sense.

the Democrat party was that of the Klan, Black people traditionally voted Republican and held conservative views when it came to marriage, religion and morality etc.

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That's true, for a long time neither party wanted to grant civil rights further but Democrats were as you say the party of the KKK.

As to McWhorter, he says a bit on Wikipedia about his beliefs. They seem socially liberal/centrist rather than conservative (I know Wiki is unreliable but the info is footnoted) : 'McWhorter has characterized himself as "a cranky liberal Democrat". In support of this description, he states that while he "disagree[s] sustainedly with many of the tenets of the civil rights orthodoxy", he also "supports Barack Obama, reviles the war on drugs, supports gay marriage, never voted for George W. Bush, and writes of Black English as coherent speech". McWhorter supported Ralph Nader in his 1996 and 2000 presidential campaigns.[32]

McWhorter has stated that the conservative Manhattan Institute, for which he worked, "has always been hospitable to Democrats". McWhorter is biweekly guest on The Glenn Show, a commentary podcast hosted by Glenn Loury, a member of the Manhattan Institute and professor of economics at Brown University.[33] Political theorist Mark Satin identifies McWhorter as a radical centrist thinker.[34]'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McWhorter

Jane379 · 16/08/2026 00:20

DestituteDesperate · 15/08/2026 20:35

Terrible and it sets back the black community and others back, being promoted to positions we are not qualified for and becoming an easy target for diversity hire.

funny that those black academics especially in the US with a wealth of knowledge tend to be right leaning and conservative.

white liberals love us when we are their pets, on welfare, single parent homes and embarking in criminality.

They despise us that demand better, academically, socially and economically.

I remember a famous quote about the white liberals…

I guess this is how Democrats and Biden fooled Black Americans as being the party for Black and minorities. Biden called Black men super predators but I was supposed to believe the other one was the only racist.

'Biden called Black men super predators but I was supposed to believe the other one was the only racist'

  • re this bit, I googled the Biden quote and he did not say this. He did support the crime bill but so did many, including many in the black community- was supporting it racist?
Hillary Clinton was the one to use the term, but she was talking about violent gang members, not black people in general. : 'They are not just gangs of kids anymore. They are often the kinds of kids that are called 'super predators.' No conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel."'

https://reason.com/2020/09/29/trump-claims-biden-called-black-americans-superpredators-that-was-hillary-clinton/

https://abcnews.com/Politics/hillary-clintons-long-history-black-voters/story?id=41974008

Jane379 · 16/08/2026 00:28

DestituteDesperate · 15/08/2026 21:04

Kemi is everything they fear, an educated Black woman that demands the same rules apply to ALL, especially vocal on demanding protected single sex spaces remain protected.

Look at the difference in calibre you have in Black MPs in the Tory Party, one is a hypocrite who sends her son to a private school and can’t do basic maths and the other is LEADER of her party but only one is systematically called a traitor etc.

'Look at the difference in calibre you have in Black MPs in the Tory Party, one is a hypocrite who sends her son to a private school and can’t do basic maths and the other is LEADER of her party but only one is systematically called a traitor etc'
definitely Kemi is much higher calibre than Diane Abbott! Otoh I think it's a bit generalising maybe to say most black Labour MPs are weaker compared to black Tory MPs. Labour has 66 black MPs- hopefully at least some are not Abbott quality? I seem to remember Marsha de Cordova being good on GC issues for one though I need to check.
Kemi is one of the few black Tory MPs (most Tory ethnic minority MPs are Asian) and is stellar but that doesn't necessarily mean all Labour ones are as poor as Abbott. Kwasi Kwarteng was prominent under Liz Truss but it wouldn't be fair to say his incompetence means he's representative of black Tory MPs.

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Jane379 · 16/08/2026 00:37

EasternStandard · 15/08/2026 21:11

Same on both. I think Kemi (and Rishi) make some people feel bad about their own situations and lack of success but tough. Good on her for being successful.

Both Kemi and Rishi came from well-off backgrounds so they don't really say much about class/economic barriers, but definitely help show race is not a barrier to success in the Tory Party.

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On this and other threads I've condemned Arday's behaviour and pushed back on others trying to play it down. I certainly don't want him to be immune to criticism because of his suicide : his actions need to be critiqued and scrutinised to try and get to the bottom of the rot in academia.

Why are you saying I have a 'white saviour mentality'? What evidence do you base that on?

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Why do you say that?

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I don't want to dismiss your family's experience.
But I'm not claiming that Google tells me what your family experienced. I was checking a specific historical quotation. If Biden actually used the phrase "super predators", is there a transcript or video?Everything I've been able to find attributes that phrase to Hillary Clinton.

To be clear, I'm not saying whether Biden is or isn't racist because I don't know enough about him to be able to judge. I'm just disputing whether those comments were about black people as a whole. I know about the 'racial jungle' comments and they do sound racist to me.
Your comments about Google are too sweeping. Do you not trust any online media? Reason is a reputable publication. In any case, both of those quotes (Biden's 'predators' and Hillary's 'super predators') do not appear in the transcripts and videos to refer to black people in general. Unless you don't trust those either?

: This Fox News video includes the footage of Biden saying that. It would be odd for them to show watered-down footage given they want to criticise him:

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6187206738001

CSPAN includes the original footage of Hillary Clinton making the 'superpredators' remarks. : https://www.c-span.org/clip/public-affairs-event/user-clip-hillary-clinton-on-superpredators-in-1996/4582473

Sen. Kennedy says Nancy Pelosi and the 'managerial elite' think they're more virtuous than ordinary Americans | Fox News Video

Sen. Kennedy says Nancy Pelosi and the 'managerial elite' think they're more virtuous than ordinary Americans | Fox News Video

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi claims she was 'set up' after video surfaces of her maskless visit to a San Francisco salon; reaction from Louisiana Sen. John Kennedy.

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6187206738001

Jane379 · 16/08/2026 01:32

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'you’re using Google as if you have any knowledge on anything pertaining to Black American race history let alone academics and commenting to add nothing of value'

'you have no lived in experience but I’m sure Google has given you the authority to feel like you do.'

  • I studied the US civil rights movement and subsequent race relations up to 1975 as part of my history degree.

I respect that this is only a small amount of knowledge in comparison to personally living in Chicago in these times, but on the other hand, isn't insistence that only people with 'lived experience' can comment on race-related issues partly what caused wokeism in the first place?

As for academics, I have read Sowell, McWhorter, Loury and others and see no reason why I should not comment on them.

HorribleHisTories15 · 16/08/2026 03:55

@aberamagold
not really sure what you are getting at, but yes academia does have its downfalls, it is ridden with pit holes, look at LSE ‘s funding and Imperial for example. As a PhD alumni, I have not written anything that would give doubt to Black people’s academic achievements. I also know countless others, South Asian, and Black men and women’s experiences from whom I draw conclusions.

CloverAndGrass · 16/08/2026 05:13

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Posters even claiming white supremacy killed a man because Twitter told them that was the case.

Oh my word. Reporting what people have said on Twitter does not mean I believe it. The context of my posts made this completely clear.

Bulgebracket · 16/08/2026 05:43

Switchnow · 15/08/2026 22:13

If? There were.

I’ve no idea of their background, and neither - I assume - have you. The point is he had a story he was willing to tell, and that was attractive to an institution who wanted to be market itself as widely as possible.

How did their ‘marketing’ work out?

Phewmcgrew · 16/08/2026 07:47

seanconneryseyebrow · 15/08/2026 18:45

Kathleen stock (whom I love) wrong an article and was on a long podcast about this last week. She hasn’t said anything wrong I don’t think - was very scathing about his lies and Cambridge for allowing this. I can only imagine she is feeling awful right now. As I said, I don’t think she did anything wrong but if I was her I feel horrendous

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KS should not feel bad.

The person responsible for JA’s death is JA. The person responsible for the events thar led to JA’s death is JA.

JA was not a private person whose private life was snooped into by the press.

He is was a man who deliberately chose to market his (invented) private life and personal story to create a very lucrative career as a professor in one of the world’s most prestigious universities, and to create a second career alongside as a media personality, including an autobiographical book deal. You cannot do this and then cry foul when the stories you have chosen to put in the media are investigated by the media.

Yet he did. Instead of owning up to his fantasies he chose instead to try to use his ‘identities as a shield’ ( my autism made me plagerise! It’s because you are racist! ) which rather throws other people with these identities under a bus. Then he chose to bully and intimidate those revealing the truth with legal threats whilst creating even dafter lies to try to cover his original lies. All of these choices he made kept his story in the papers.

JA is not the victim here, he is the perpetrator who created everything that happened to him. He chose his death too and in doing so he escaped his own pain and bequeathed it to his children and family instead.

He was a coward in life, too scared to live a life achieved on his own merits and too cowardly to face reality replacing his fantasy at the end. Bereaving his children to avoid accountability for his own choices and actions was the ultimate act of egotistical cowardice. I am reminded of Joey Essex’s comments on his Mother’s suicide when he was a child, ‘Mum escaped her pain but what about me?’

LuckyHazelFox · 16/08/2026 07:58

Phewmcgrew · 16/08/2026 07:47

KS should not feel bad.

The person responsible for JA’s death is JA. The person responsible for the events thar led to JA’s death is JA.

JA was not a private person whose private life was snooped into by the press.

He is was a man who deliberately chose to market his (invented) private life and personal story to create a very lucrative career as a professor in one of the world’s most prestigious universities, and to create a second career alongside as a media personality, including an autobiographical book deal. You cannot do this and then cry foul when the stories you have chosen to put in the media are investigated by the media.

Yet he did. Instead of owning up to his fantasies he chose instead to try to use his ‘identities as a shield’ ( my autism made me plagerise! It’s because you are racist! ) which rather throws other people with these identities under a bus. Then he chose to bully and intimidate those revealing the truth with legal threats whilst creating even dafter lies to try to cover his original lies. All of these choices he made kept his story in the papers.

JA is not the victim here, he is the perpetrator who created everything that happened to him. He chose his death too and in doing so he escaped his own pain and bequeathed it to his children and family instead.

He was a coward in life, too scared to live a life achieved on his own merits and too cowardly to face reality replacing his fantasy at the end. Bereaving his children to avoid accountability for his own choices and actions was the ultimate act of egotistical cowardice. I am reminded of Joey Essex’s comments on his Mother’s suicide when he was a child, ‘Mum escaped her pain but what about me?’

It's also reminiscent of Katie Price's mum blaming all her exes for Price's behaviour. All enabling ever does is lead to failure.

Bulgebracket · 16/08/2026 08:01

Phewmcgrew · 16/08/2026 07:47

KS should not feel bad.

The person responsible for JA’s death is JA. The person responsible for the events thar led to JA’s death is JA.

JA was not a private person whose private life was snooped into by the press.

He is was a man who deliberately chose to market his (invented) private life and personal story to create a very lucrative career as a professor in one of the world’s most prestigious universities, and to create a second career alongside as a media personality, including an autobiographical book deal. You cannot do this and then cry foul when the stories you have chosen to put in the media are investigated by the media.

Yet he did. Instead of owning up to his fantasies he chose instead to try to use his ‘identities as a shield’ ( my autism made me plagerise! It’s because you are racist! ) which rather throws other people with these identities under a bus. Then he chose to bully and intimidate those revealing the truth with legal threats whilst creating even dafter lies to try to cover his original lies. All of these choices he made kept his story in the papers.

JA is not the victim here, he is the perpetrator who created everything that happened to him. He chose his death too and in doing so he escaped his own pain and bequeathed it to his children and family instead.

He was a coward in life, too scared to live a life achieved on his own merits and too cowardly to face reality replacing his fantasy at the end. Bereaving his children to avoid accountability for his own choices and actions was the ultimate act of egotistical cowardice. I am reminded of Joey Essex’s comments on his Mother’s suicide when he was a child, ‘Mum escaped her pain but what about me?’

A terrific post.

Phewmcgrew · 16/08/2026 08:15

bluewanda · 15/08/2026 20:46

As I said on another thread - if all jobs were recruited on merit alone then Jason Arday would still be alive. It’s very simple.

If JA had chosen to live his life on his merit alone he would still be alive.

And all those posters complaining about the ‘hounding’ of JA by the ‘relentless’ press. I have never noticed this defence of other people whose ill gotten gains are expounded by the press. How many of those complaining about the hounding of JA have complained about the hounding of Nigel Farage? Nigel Farage is truly vlified, is threatened and other political leaders repost images threatening him with death and it’s widely regarded as all hilarious. Where are these posters angry condemnation of the hounding of NF, or any of the other public figures?

Does hounding only happen if you feel sympathetic to the person being investigated by the press? But never if you don’t?

Is this some sort of irregular verb that changes from ‘held accountable’ to ‘hounded’ depending on the subject of the verb?

seanconneryseyebrow · 16/08/2026 08:22

Phewmcgrew · 16/08/2026 07:47

KS should not feel bad.

The person responsible for JA’s death is JA. The person responsible for the events thar led to JA’s death is JA.

JA was not a private person whose private life was snooped into by the press.

He is was a man who deliberately chose to market his (invented) private life and personal story to create a very lucrative career as a professor in one of the world’s most prestigious universities, and to create a second career alongside as a media personality, including an autobiographical book deal. You cannot do this and then cry foul when the stories you have chosen to put in the media are investigated by the media.

Yet he did. Instead of owning up to his fantasies he chose instead to try to use his ‘identities as a shield’ ( my autism made me plagerise! It’s because you are racist! ) which rather throws other people with these identities under a bus. Then he chose to bully and intimidate those revealing the truth with legal threats whilst creating even dafter lies to try to cover his original lies. All of these choices he made kept his story in the papers.

JA is not the victim here, he is the perpetrator who created everything that happened to him. He chose his death too and in doing so he escaped his own pain and bequeathed it to his children and family instead.

He was a coward in life, too scared to live a life achieved on his own merits and too cowardly to face reality replacing his fantasy at the end. Bereaving his children to avoid accountability for his own choices and actions was the ultimate act of egotistical cowardice. I am reminded of Joey Essex’s comments on his Mother’s suicide when he was a child, ‘Mum escaped her pain but what about me?’

I agree - but Id still feel bad though if I was her. I think we all would.

Phewmcgrew · 16/08/2026 08:30

seanconneryseyebrow · 16/08/2026 08:22

I agree - but Id still feel bad though if I was her. I think we all would.

It’s important that no-one feels bad for JA’s death. Because if people do, that becomes a shield future fantasists, liars and con artists use to avoid exposure.

Wannabe con artists should be aware that others will pursue them to expose them and that the consequences are terrible.

Every corrupt regime that has ever existed is corrupt because the people in it don’t fear exposure or consequences, as they know that will never happen.

The only people who have any lessons to learn here are those who enabled JA to benefit from his lies and fantasies, not those who exposed or commented on them.

Queenncat · 16/08/2026 08:32

'He .. was a man who deliberately chose to market his (invented) private life and personal story to create a very lucrative career as a professor in one of the world’s most prestigious universities, and to create a second career alongside as a media personality, including an autobiographical book deal. You cannot do this and then cry foul when the stories you have chosen to put in the media are investigated by the media.
Yet he did. Instead of owning up to his fantasies he chose instead to try to use his ‘identities as a shield’ ( my autism made me plagerise! It’s because you are racist! ) which rather throws other people with these identities under a bus. Then he chose to bully and intimidate those revealing the truth with legal threats whilst creating even dafter lies to try to cover his original lies. All of these choices he made kept his story in the papers.
JA is not the victim here, he is the perpetrator who created everything that happened to him. He chose his death too and in doing so he escaped his own pain and bequeathed it to his children and family instead.
He was a coward in life, too scared to live a life achieved on his own merits and too cowardly to face reality replacing his fantasy at the end. Bereaving his children to avoid accountability for his own choices and actions was the ultimate act of egotistical cowardice. I am reminded of Joey Essex’s comments on his Mother’s suicide when he was a child, ‘Mum escaped her pain but what about me?’

All absolutely true.

'And all those posters complaining about the ‘hounding’ of JA by the ‘relentless’ press. I have never noticed this defence of other people whose ill gotten gains are expounded by the press.
...
Does hounding only happen if you feel sympathetic to the person being investigated by the press? But never if you don’t?
Is this some sort of irregular verb that changes from ‘held accountable’ to ‘hounded’ depending on the subject of the verb?'

Yes indeed. If the subject of the verb is anywhere right of Marx, we're definitely in they shall be 'held accountable territory'. Anyone else, is hounded, hunted, torn apart. See the lovely 'good' law project latest vomit. I won't link to it here.

And Kathleen Stock did NOTHING wrong. She Was attacked, threatened and hounded out of her job at Sussex University by people who didn't like her stating that biological sex is real. And most of the press said nothing. No wonder she feels a bit bitter.

Queenncat · 16/08/2026 08:34

seanconneryseyebrow · 16/08/2026 08:22

I agree - but Id still feel bad though if I was her. I think we all would.

No I wouldn't.

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