Police investigating death of Ann Widdicombe

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Very strange

It’s so depressing isn’t it.

Thank you 💐 I was probably being oversensitive.

So I can keep my well beloved copy of 'One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich', by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn? Phew!

On the contrary, she was a hugely intelligent and kind lady, as you would know if you ever met her.

She had beliefs and a faith that you (and I) don't share but that does not make her a bigot or a zealot.

No, you weren’t over sensitive! Reading back, I can see how you took it that way 💐

It's absolutely does. 'lovely lady' 🤣 yeah if you are straight white and stupid enough to believe a made up book.
Still doesn't mean she deserved to be murdered though.

Another thing that struck me. A lot of people were ridiculing Nigel Farage for claiming to use a friend's financial gift to provide himself and his family with some security.

Those people have gone very quiet now, haven't they !!

I am not a Reform supporter, but we need to look closely at politicians' security.

Neither Jo Cox, David Amess nor Anne Widdicombe should have been left vulnerable.

Eh? Given the guru to incels Jordan Peterson proudly fills his home with Communist art, the two are hardly mutually exclusive.

https://www.frieze.com/article/whos-real-ideologue-jordan-petersons-communist-art-collection

But Farage refused security akin to that offered to Leader of the Opposition, Kemi Badenoch.

Farage is clearly more at risk of political violence than Badenoch though, regardless of what you think of him / his crypto mates etc.

Farage is being excoriated for claiming to be the most attacked politician of our times – erasing the existence of two serving MPs who were actually murdered.

He is also being excoriated for apparently breaking the ministerial code by trying to keep the £5 million donation secret. There's no reason he couldn't just have declared it.

If he'd declared it and said it was for security, people would have been actively sympathetic.

Instead he's created this circus around it.

And now it's come out that he actively turned down an offer for a state-funded bodyguard and driver last year.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdgx01y98o

If he'd said he wanted to arrange his own additional private security on top, again most people would have been actively sympathetic. It's a lot harder to understand why he'd reject a state-funded bodyguard outright.

No, not ridiculing him, disbelieving him. He has changed his story about the £5m at least three times.

I understand why people make the comparison to Cox/Amess, but it seems to be two different issues - consequence and regularity. Being murdered and actually dying is obviously a very severe consequence and both of their deaths were tragic. However they were also both essentially random, as I understand it; neither of them were particularly high-profile or widely-despised or anything like that. It wasn't like they had been exposed to an escalating chain of threats and attacks for years before they were killed. They had no reason to think, before they were killed, that they specifically would need extra security.

Again whatever you think of Nigel Farage - he is widely despised and it wouldn't be particularly surprising if someone did try to kill him.

Please don't interpret this post as "Nigel is worse off than poor Jo who actually died", my substantive point is that Farage has information in advance that he (and perhaps other Reform politicians) is at risk and he's entitled to act upon it, which is different from the situations of Jo Cox and David Amess. Please also don't interpret this post as calling for Farage to be killed!

my substantive point is that Farage has information in advance that he (and perhaps other Reform politicians) is at risk and he's entitled to act upon it

There are many, many MPs who get abuse and death threats, especially female MPs. They are not using that fact to excuse not declaring a £5m bung.

Do you know for a fact that Jo Cox and David Amess didn't recieve threats before they were murdered?

Eta: has Farage ever raised the issue of violence towards MPs generally or does he only centre himself and Reform? Genuine question.

Yes, that’s fine! You can have the Morning Star delivered if that’s still a thing.

Perhaps Nigel Farage should have offered poor Ann Widdecombe some financial assistance with security. He says he’s hugely concerned about the safety of women and girls, yet one of his vocal defenders, an elderly woman, has been murdered.

There is risk there. It will have to be assessed. No matter a politician’s policies no one deserves to be violently attacked or worse here.

Why is he? Just because he says it, it doesn't mean it's true.

Stella Creasy gave an interview yesterday and spoke about the harassment, including death threats and a vindictive campaign against to try and get her children removed.

To focus on Nigel does everyone else a disservice. I could also point out that it's his communication style which fuels polarisation and increases the risk of violence.

Steve Baker was on the radio the other day saying that when he was an MP he received a lot of death threats but since he stepped down he doesn't. MPs get death threats just for breathing in public - and of course women all the more - not allowed to have opinions and all that.

The idea that you are a terrorist because you read Russian Communist literature is laughable! (also for those saying it had trans angle, the Communists are gender critical).

Yes, the clown at Aberdeen Uni just has no reality filter, not one that works anyway.

Whether you agree with her beliefs is neither here nor there but she studied Latin as an undergraduate and then PPE at Oxford which makes her intelligent.

Can get it in my local co-op store.

It can’t be illegal if they are selling it in the Co-Op!

I've not seen it anywhere without someone have specifically asked for it.

The Daily Star is available in various places.