Labour isn't Working - Thread 36

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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It’s a nice distraction from the relentless shite.

No need for this. We talk about all sorts on this thread, as you know well.
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I haven't seen it, but read some bits of it. Agree with your take. He's deluded.

My grand daughters are swifties. They had a swifties birthday party last year with a lookalike party singer. Was great fun everyone dressed up. I do like the little cowgirl boots.

No it’s 10pm on Sat 11th, the other match is 2am on Sunday 12th - I’ve just checked on the FIFA app

Is Mexico back at 1am now? Or is it still to be decided?

@SapphireCasino my dd is big swiftie!! Have you seen her live? We managed to get tickets for Eras at Wembley and @Parsley4321 am jealous you were given them...we had to forgo a holiday that year they were so expensive......totally worth it though!

On a "side note!" I just wish Starmer would go now. I dont imagine in the history books of the future he will be much more than a footnote.

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Everyone I know who went to Eras tour said it was the best show they've ever seen.
Good luck to them both 💕

Sorry I’m not clear on what you mean. The England Mexico game is at 1am Sunday, the pubs are open as discussed. The match against Norway/Brazil is in the event we go through to the quarter finals.

Sorry 1 am Monday, but it will feel like Sunday night!

Ok, thanks. The news were saying it had been brought forward to 7pm Sunday when I went to bed lastnight due to expected storms. Seems to have been put back to original time now.

This was in Charles Moore’s Telegraph column this morning:

He might learn from the fact that, in 1979, she had a staff of fewer than 100 people in Downing Street. Today it is four times bigger and therefore many times worse. Yet Mr Burnham wants to add to the bureaucratic pile-up by adding a “No 10 North.

Why does the PM need 400 people? Especially since computers - which wouldn’t have been in widespread use in 1979 - were supposed to make less work for admin staff?

Oh ok, I’d missed that!

That’s lovely. It’s cute to see little girls get interested in pop and music, dd and her friends are.

Yes we don't need another No.10 with staff spending half their day on a train. We just need the one we have to actually function properly.

This is a funny rant on the prospect of No.10 North. 😂

https://www.thetimes.com/article/efdeefbd-42b6-4e11-81c8-435e70a72dc1?shareToken=72b9e55879f76f2e89fa92eca4a39add

I'm watching it now; DH just said his level of self-obsession requires therapy.

Love it!

They can get rid of No10 and No10 North and just live in a shuttle train North and down South.

That is funny. Of course they don't want any of the inconveniences of London: only the money.

Interestingly, in properly devolved countries with regional tax-raising powers - like Switzerland - they don't seek equal outcomes, and there is usually only minimal regional redistribution, to meet a minimum standard of living. They accept that regions which don't raise as much tax don't have as good public services. That's what makes the regions compete to get the business, work effectively, and be successful.

Not what Andy is proposing, of course. He just wants more and more redistribution, with the regional governments just a funnel for Southern money to be spent in the North... Not convinced there will be genuine 're-balancing' of opportunities... just more opportunities for 'friends' on the make to make an extra buck out of the (southern) taxpayer, I would expect. The Left are so utterly corrupt.

We get more in Wales which enables us to waste it faster 🙄

I think it is not right to suggest all of the North is poorer than all of the South. Having lived in both it isn’t. There is not some sort of line you can draw and say ‘ poor up, rich below. There are plenty of poor places in the South. And it suggests his narrative is still to please Northern voters. By telling them everyone in the South is better of than they are. He needs to get out of that frame of mind and govern for all. Not some.

He is apparently looking to give concessions to younger people to help them with buying a home. Ie no income tax for three years. The article states 74% of boomers own their own property ( it doesn’t clarify whether that means outright or mortgaged) comparative to 5% of Gen Z.

A bit like the North v South poor/rich this is too simplistic. There will be people who earn so little they can never afford a mortgage.
There will be those who earn pretty well whose parents can offer a deposit and who chip in with funding for a property. And who are likely to leave a sizeable inheritance.
Versus those who are in neither category. Not on a minimum wage but nor can their parents help them out, and nor will they likely inherit much.
The thought of tax breaks based on age is not right. There will be many who earn very well, even inherit, whose parents can and do help them out. Who do not need a tax break. The efforts need to be nuanced. Not a blanket approach.

Our existing devolution certainly doesn't seem to have benefitted the regions: with health and education outcomes nose-diving in both Wales and Scotland.

Even the corruption scandals of the SNP were arguably caused by devolution: since it concentrated excessive political power in the hands of one couple who no-one could speak against, and there was no legislative second house or independent institutions capable of providing checks and balances. It's a complete mess.

Burnham's devolution will be just the same: huge amounts of money wasted, to give worse outcomes.

Don't get me wrong, I think our regional inbalances are harmful to everyone, and I'm all for trying to increase regional development.

But it needs to be genuine development - ie those regions becoming more productive in their own right. Not just regional spending of SE-generated money.

Nuance doesn't fit an envy based policy agenda.

Unfortunately, I think the UK is too socialist for any kind of successful regional development.

Too many people think the solution to every problem is to spend more of someone else's money.