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WHY WON'T MY CHILDREN GO TO SLEEP

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floofydoofy · 18/06/2026 20:58

Mostly a vent post but jfc, I am so over this.

My children (4yo and 6yo) are still awake at 9pm despite being absolutely exhausted beyond words. They were so tired at 4pm my 4yo literally lay with his head on the dining table and waited there for 35 minutes for his dinner. At 7pm they were almost falling asleep on the sofa. As soon as they enter their bedroom, they go mental. Silliness, stropping, crying, shouting (waking baby sibling), being dangerous hanging over the side of the bunk bed, leaping around, etc. This has been going on for a couple of weeks and I've kept calm and consistent with them... until tonight when I absolutely lost my shit. I rarely shout at all so it was quite shocking for them, but even that hasn't deterred them (I have since been in to apologise for shouting, but re-iterated that their behaviour was not acceptable). We tried bringing their bedtimes much much earlier which made everything worse. We tried moving their bedtime later (to 9.30/10pm), which "worked" in that they fell asleep quickly, but they were like zombies during the day and were even more of a nightmare than usual to wake up at 7am for school. We've made a really effort to connect with them in the evening 1-1 once the baby is in bed to make sure they feel heard and loved. They do not watch screens during the week. They get ample time outdoors and in active free play each day. They eat a well-balanced, predominantly healthy UPF free homemade diet; they eat sugar but mostly in the form of homemade baked goods like flapjacks and muffins, not endless sweets or chocolate. They take a magnesium supplement. My 6yo's iron/ferritin levels are normal (haven't had 4yo checked as he'd lose his shit at a blood test and it didn't feel worth it). Genuinely, if they simply needed a later bedtime I'd be absolutely fine with that, BUT THEY DON'T.... THEY ARE SHATTERED.

I do not know what more I can do.

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mumumental · 18/06/2026 23:15

Ps it’s almost midsummer, so it’s light, which I think hinders.

DivinePineapples · 18/06/2026 23:26

mynameiscalypso · 18/06/2026 21:54

We only have the one who is 6 but he’s still wide awake now (and has been singing Freed from Desire for the last hour or so).

I hope he’s been singing the official lyrics-
“my lovers got no money he’s got his trombelese”

Also “my incense is purified” 😆

Bawbagg · 18/06/2026 23:29

DivinePineapples · 18/06/2026 23:26

I hope he’s been singing the official lyrics-
“my lovers got no money he’s got his trombelese”

Also “my incense is purified” 😆

Agree

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mynameiscalypso · 18/06/2026 23:31

DivinePineapples · 18/06/2026 23:26

I hope he’s been singing the official lyrics-
“my lovers got no money he’s got his trombelese”

Also “my incense is purified” 😆

I have tried. Sadly, he went on Spotify on my phone to check what the actually lyrics were (and then wrote them out by hand) and now shouts at me whenever I start singing about trombeleses.

Lex0207 · 18/06/2026 23:37

Are they wild eyed / seem almost manic? We have been going through this with our 4YO and when they get to the manic laughing / crying / unable to stop stage it’s basically a cortisol overload they cant control (and is in no way uncommon at this age). I have the exact same problem and have had amazing results with very firm massage / hugs. Basically there’s something about firm touch (bear hugs / strong back stroking) which helps reduce the cortisol overload. I was incredibly sceptical but have managed to stop escalating sessions like this with some very firm hugs and touch. It does sound like this vs low sleep need from your description (ie they are exhausted and then hyper vs disinterested in bed), but I’m no expert- At least worth a try!

imsoverytired82 · 18/06/2026 23:48

I was the same when my two were that age. Protein rich dinners, a run around the park before bed. It’ll pass.

Odellio · 18/06/2026 23:51

Solidarity! Staggered bedtimes with DD baby fast asleep, DS3 fiddled, faffed and got in/under/around her cot for 2 hours. Blackout blinds and audiobooks, nothing is working. He was knackered, yawning but fighting sleep until 9:15pm when I lay next to him and sang lullabies.

He’s waking up his baby sister, even with staggered bedtimes. Driving us mad.

His favourite song is also Freed From Desire 😂😂 I probably have to listen to it 5-8 times a day on his request.

swanlake02 · 18/06/2026 23:56

I’ve found my people 🙌 4yo is the same, can be exhausted at tea time can barely eat she’s so tired, come bed time, wide awake, chatting for hours, it’s exhausting!

AutisticLass2026 · 19/06/2026 00:13

Erm no problems here, 4 under 5 share a room and then 3 between 6-9 share a room then two teens share....all very clear bed is for sleeping, mummy says it's sleep now, supper, toilet,bed,story then lights off and that's it for the night. If you don't be firm from tiny they will play you up..the under 5 sleep 6:30pm-8am and the next is 7:30pm-8am

Littlemischiefthing · 19/06/2026 00:14

AutisticLass2026 · 19/06/2026 00:13

Erm no problems here, 4 under 5 share a room and then 3 between 6-9 share a room then two teens share....all very clear bed is for sleeping, mummy says it's sleep now, supper, toilet,bed,story then lights off and that's it for the night. If you don't be firm from tiny they will play you up..the under 5 sleep 6:30pm-8am and the next is 7:30pm-8am

You have 9 kids?

OtterLovesItsRock · 19/06/2026 00:31

Maybe they are nocturnal. I never grew out of it.

Bebeemerald · 19/06/2026 00:40

Littlemischiefthing · 19/06/2026 00:14

You have 9 kids?

And all (perhaps apart from the teens) a year apart!!

TimeToStopLurking · 19/06/2026 00:45

I seem to have inadvertently stumbled on my tribe here. No advice. My now DS 4.5 year old has always been a creature of the night/half owl. Will not go to sleep. Last night was especially bad... past 11pm. But he's regularly awake circa 10pm. I get no time to myself or to reset the house/tidy at night. We've ended up co sleeping, but I'd willingly be asleep way before him most nights. He happily sleeps late though, so I creep out in the morning to get a few jobs done. But I'll have to be waking him up for school come September. I need to get us in a better routine by then. I work, but have a later start so end of summer, and early starts will be a big shock to both of us.

I've recently tried lights out and telling stories in the dark/listening to a podcast/Spotify story. It's hit and miss so far. I end up yawning through my own stories whilst he's still going strong questioning aspects of my storytelling/the story we're listening to. Send help.

Husaria · 19/06/2026 01:14

It's summer and hot. It's not abnormal for kids not wanting to sleep till sunset at this time of the year. BTW kids in Spain or India go to sleep late (but they often have an afternoon nap till they are 6).

Ponderingwindow · 19/06/2026 01:31

My Child had the sleep problems that are typical of an ASD child so my advice is going to be from that perspective.

we didn’t require her to go to sleep. Bedtime is quiet time. You can read or have a quiet toy as long as you want. She was an early reader and we ended up getting her a kindle paperwhite very young because it made reading in bed easier because we didn’t have issues with lighting.

Use this weekend to catch up on sleep. Have a family slumber party. You, dad, or both of you can camp out with them in the living room. The extra cuddles will hopefully get them some extra sleep.

Fivebyfive2 · 19/06/2026 10:09

I've found my people! 6 year old (autistic) has been awake until 11 the last few nights. It's light, it's hot (too hot for even a sheet over him apparently so his limbs are flailing wildly!) there's loads going on at school, talk about holidays and going up a year etc. Yes he has fresh air/exercise, no he doesn't have TV after 6 (and no tablet anyway) we have a rock solid routine that's actually been working really well the last few months save a few blips that are to be expected. But the last week or so I think he's gone into summer mode 🤣

WonderWeeksArentReal · 19/06/2026 10:20

Mine are 6 and 8 and have never fallen asleep earlier than about 8.30 in their lives. With the heat and the light evenings it's currently more like 9.30. They are both ND though. Tbh most of the time I just let them crack on, only rules are no screens after 7 and lights out at 8.

OP what time do yours wake up at the weekends? Mine sleep till gone 8 so that's a win in my book.

floofydoofy · 19/06/2026 11:08

Bebeemerald · 18/06/2026 22:31

No tv at all in the week? What do they do to wind down before bed?

No TV or other screens at all during the week. They do watch TV/play switch at weekends, though not in the evenings. We read (aloud or independently), colour/draw or listen to music/audiobooks to wind down before bed... TV would not help my children to wind down, it would do the opposite!

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floofydoofy · 19/06/2026 11:13

ladygindiva · 18/06/2026 22:42

Play audio books, then hopefully even if they don't fall asleep they stay in bed and leave you alone. Works for my two.

This worked for us for a full 18 months and then suddenly stopped a few weeks ago. I pray it starts to work again

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Bebeemerald · 19/06/2026 11:18

floofydoofy · 19/06/2026 11:08

No TV or other screens at all during the week. They do watch TV/play switch at weekends, though not in the evenings. We read (aloud or independently), colour/draw or listen to music/audiobooks to wind down before bed... TV would not help my children to wind down, it would do the opposite!

I disagree. When mine were that age wind down tv like Night Garden and that moon one worked a treat

floofydoofy · 19/06/2026 11:35

Lex0207 · 18/06/2026 23:37

Are they wild eyed / seem almost manic? We have been going through this with our 4YO and when they get to the manic laughing / crying / unable to stop stage it’s basically a cortisol overload they cant control (and is in no way uncommon at this age). I have the exact same problem and have had amazing results with very firm massage / hugs. Basically there’s something about firm touch (bear hugs / strong back stroking) which helps reduce the cortisol overload. I was incredibly sceptical but have managed to stop escalating sessions like this with some very firm hugs and touch. It does sound like this vs low sleep need from your description (ie they are exhausted and then hyper vs disinterested in bed), but I’m no expert- At least worth a try!

I'll be giving this a go! Definitely wild eyed.

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floofydoofy · 19/06/2026 11:36

Bebeemerald · 19/06/2026 11:18

I disagree. When mine were that age wind down tv like Night Garden and that moon one worked a treat

But your children are not my children.... TV sends them absolutely mental (and we only do low stimulation stuff). If I felt like TV worked well for them I'd absolutely utilise it... I'm not trying to make a rod for my own back.

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floofydoofy · 19/06/2026 11:41

Thank you all for the tips and solidarity... I am feeling much more confident going into it knowing it isn't just us and now I have a plan. Ask me again at 9pm tonight, though!

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Feelblue · 20/06/2026 19:57

What happens now when you play the audiobook? Was one scary or very exciting and got them awake? Do they have an old favourite you could play again (straw clutching?)

floofydoofy · 20/06/2026 23:27

I just wanted to update the thread and say that I separated them for bedtime tonight and last night as advised....

4yo was asleep by 8.30pm last night and by 8pm tonight... I'll take it! This was after a 7pm bedtime and I was much more proactive with revisiting him in his room to "check on him" so he didn't really have chance to leave the room to look for anyone. I stayed with him while he listened to an audiobook and then left.

6yo however did not settle until 9pm last night and almost 10pm tonight (he listened to audiobooks in the living room and then was taken to bed at 8pm once 4yo was asleep), but still dicked about for 2 full hours. Going to try the opposite tonight and see what happens....

Of course, the baby also decided to choose chaos tonight and despite going down easily at 7pm for the last few months.... didn't settle until almost 8pm and was then up and down like a yo-yo until just now at 11.30pm... fabulous. Is being annoying at bedtime contagious? It seems like it.

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