3 year old injured by crocodiles - man arrested

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So I assume the man deliberately placed the child into the crocodile enclosure. Psychopath? Sounds similar to the man who threw the boy off the Tate?

(And also, not connected but these places are shit for the animals and should be shut down)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czx50n2vj74o

(& apologies if thread already started?)

They stayed open, but closed the area where the crocodiles are.

I agree. The carers in this case should be in massive trouble.

The speculation on this thread is vile.

What do any of you hope to achieve?

FFS Just wait till you have the facts.

All this speculation is horrendous. Just pray that this poor little boy recovers.

I’m local to Johnson’s. The viewing platform is very high above the crocodiles so the boy could well have been harmed by the fall alone.

The man who threw the kid over the Tate told carers he wanted to throw someone off a high building. Opportunities to stop him were missed. It would be interesting to find out if this happened here too. I’m afraid I don’t think people who have expressed a desire to hurt others should be allowed to visit somewhere where this is a possibility they could do so.

I also suspect some ramifications to Johnson’s which is a shame.

Not what I'm saying. It's people who pose a risk to others, in the manner of Valdo Calocaine, who shouldn't have been out in the community. I'd be confident similar signs will have been present with this guy. We'll have to wait for the trial but it'll come out.

None of those describe my thinking. You're putting words into people's mouths and not actually listening to what they have to say.

A 6ft person with the understanding of a 6yo needs proper supervision out in public.

Apparently the owners wife jumped in after the child when she saw what happened. No doubt acting on instinct but still a very brave lady.

The vast majority of people who harm innocent children do not have severe MH issues or learning difficulties.

The vast majority of people with severe MH difficulties or learning difficulties pose no danger to anybody.

This is a truly awful and emotive case and the person who is responsible must be investigated, but it does not call for such gross prejudice against an entire category of people.

And btw the information that the man arrested has MH issues or LD is just hearsay from Facebook - which makes it even worse to proclaim such blanket statements. Tells me you don't see mentally disabled people as fully human, to be so afraid of them collectively and jump to such suggestions. It's almost as bad as all the clamouring on other sites wanting to know the man's nationality or religion.

I doubt someone who needs 2:1 in the community would ever be considered fit to stand trial.

He’s likely to effectively be locked up, house arrest, anyway if he needs 2 carers to go on a day out. If this is true how likely is it he will have freedom to leave at will?

It’s an emotive and difficult subject.

Liberty is an unwritten contract between you and society. We won’t lock you up if you don’t do these actions. We all live by this. Freedom is a concept.

And people are allowed that liberty until they do one of those things, then the contract is broken.

So if you don’t have the capacity to understand that contract where does your liberty lie?

It’s not easy.

They did. They had (from what is said online) 2 carers with them.

Then he shouldn't be allowed out with people who aren't able/don't want to look after him properly.

Oh ok, so it’s all fine then. To be fair, even complete psychos like the Nottingham, Southport and Henry Novak’s killer who had so many red flags were not locked up so I get what you are saying. But we need to do better to protect our society.

I googled the boy from the Tate a a few months ago and was saddened to read how much he is suffering to this day. The BBC posted this article a few months ago

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd9vvw8njn5o

If two carers aren't enough to stop him harming passers by then yes he should never be out in public.

I think it’s naive at best to say that if someone is out in the community it means they are safe to be there. The Nottingham Inquiry springs horribly to mind. The systems we have aren’t really working to keep people safe.

I also think it’s very very offensive to start speculating that the person who did this did it because the child (the victim) wasn’t being properly supervised (believe you asked where were the parents?) or because the child was being noisy or it was because the person wanted to help the child see the crocodiles.

A three year old child is currently in hospital in a critical condition because he was thrown into a crocodile enclosure by an adult. Please understand you’re posting on a public forum where his loved ones might see this and not just chatting shit with your mates.

@KvotheTheBloodless definitely don’t think you can diminish the responsibilities of a job just because the pay is crap. If you accept the job you have to accept the responsibilities of it. Being a carer is a job that comes with a lot of responsibility.

I would agree with you that carers deserve a lot more pay for the responsibilities they take on. But that’s not how it always works in the UK, and people who take up a caring role full time have lots of other options involving significantly less responsibility for similar pay if they felt those responsibilities were beyond them.

I also agree sadly that a lot of people become carers because it’s one of the few entry level “unskilled” jobs left. But actually to do the job well demands quite a lot from someone especially their communication skills. I worked as a carer in summer holidays as a student. I actually loved it though I found it truly back breaking physically exhausting work, especially as it’s usually 12 hour shifts. But due to the low pay I did not consider it as a career. Same with nursery nursing, as a young teen that’s what I was drawn to for work, but then I found out how poorly paid it is and thought twice about it.

But he managed to not harm anyone up to now.

We don't lock people up just in case.

I said that as examples and not what actually happened. We don't know yet.
I said them as examples because people with SN can be distressed by noise etc

I doubt the lad's parents are looking on MN. They have bigger things to worry about.

We don’t know if he’s hurt anyone before?

if the noise of the child upset him you would expect that to be a known trigger and it to be taken into account on the risk assessment. If they don’t know him well enough to produce a proper risk assessment then they shouldn’t be taking him to places that are potentially dangerous - to him as much as to others

We can't design the world on the basis of 'could an adult throw a child over that?' I don't like zoos, but we can't blame the owners. As we saw in the case of Putney Bridge, a person with bad intent can just push someone into traffic.

If someone is a danger to others, their freedom needs to be restricted. A well staffed group home, with plenty of outside space and activities in the home would seem to be much better for people who are a risk to others. Surely calmer for them too. But more expensive to run.

Some PPs are claiming that views like these are suggestions that all SN adults be locked up in solitary confinement - they're not, but we have to be sensible.

Can you imagine how the parents of this 30 year old feel - their son tried to kill a small child, how awful for them aswell.

On MN, anyone out of work is told to be a carer.
You need a certain attitude to be one.
If this man was failed by his carers, this just proves even more than people desperate for work should not be looking to work in care unless they know they can do it.

I've had a child in hospital in critical condition. Trust me, they aren't looking up what is been said about it on the internet.

Odd you have said this specifically, and not that you were sad for the toddler who was thrown into the crocodiles, his family and the people who had to witness this horrific incident first hand.