Labour isn't Working - Thread 35

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour* *government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Kemi will definitely be able to make hay with the economic argument as the left of the labour demand that Burnham puts his Corbyn hat on and tax the life out of everything.

The plp and the electorate are miles apart on this and Kemi is the only one with a sensible economic outlook to fill the gap.

I wouldn’t be opposed to an income tax increase if it’s adequately explained in terms of budget and allocation AND there’s downward pressure on welfare spending.

Defence needs billions so on a simple basis it could be 1p more in income tax for the military, with significant cuts elsewhere to accompany it.

Of course I’d rather the tax burden reduced, but I can’t see appreciable growth happening for a couple of years at least.

If we end up with tax for tax sake plus some fiddling of NHS waiting list figures - like with Reeves - there will be a very unpleasant electoral reckoning for Labour.

An income tax increase would be pretty bad politically.

I have no issue with tax going up, I’m teetering on the brink of the 40% tax rate so not a massively high earner.

My proviso is that they can’t just keep hitting the top - putting up basic rate by 1p/2p will make far more difference to the exchequer than just sticking it on the top rate.

They're already buggered unless things drastically improve. They just need to do what they need to do to raise the money now, IMO. They should never have promised no tax rises in their manifesto.

If they raise the personal allowance alongside it, it might go down a bit better.

Interesting. Sensible. I could get on board with this kind of talk!

I like that..interesting idea on student debt into house deposit, although no idea how that would work.

I just listened to this on my way home, along with Daily T and State of It.
I was quite surprised at the consensus from all that Starmer's resignation speech was awful. They all pointed to his lack of contrition.

Other things I've heard and read today are that Starmer never credits any of his cabinet with any success, also evident in his speech today. If it goes well, its him, if it goes wrong, someone else is to blame. Also patting himself on the back for lifting the 2 child cap, when he was forced to by his MPs (and suspended some) hasn't gone down well.

Isn't that similar to what Kemi has pledged on refunding NI to young people?

Reeves next to resign? Or will she wait until she's pushed.

We will never know how the nation would have fared under a different government, but much of our economic misery has undisputedly been self-inflicted.
Yet it has never been the chancellor’s fault: the Tories; Trump’s tariffs; the Iran war — the excuses kept on coming. The reality is perhaps that the economy has persevered in spite of the challenges the chancellor piled on them.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/bfa7a2ce-5ff4-4813-a1ac-e26165a204b6?shareToken=233a03c85845481ebdbd5d448157400a

Yeah, let's hope so. Reeves lost all her credibility at the first autumn budget and then it just got worse and worse. The charade last year when she dragged out the budget, leaving industry paralysed while they drip fed bollocks through the media to see what floated and the emergency breakfast statement - that was just a performance to hoodwink the markets. 🙄 Sooner she is gone, the better.

Someone Labour said it would be hard for Reeves to stay as she’s so closely aligned with Starmer.

Burnham would be mad to keep her on.

The new chancellor is going to face to unpick the holy mess Reeves has made. Don't envy them that job!

I don’t especially want to pay more tax but, if they have a plan to spend it on sensible things and don’t sneer about it being fair to clobber people yet again….as if they’re righting a perceived wrong by taxing already highly taxed people..that would help!

Parliament breaks up on 16 July until 1 September. Do we get a new prime minister before then or after.

Yup, the no tax rises for working people was a stupid thing to put in the manifesto. Labour would have won anyway given how Rishi lost a huge amount of Tory voters.

A small tax rise across everyone is probably acceptable, but as usual, if there are lots of exemptions for certain groups/demographics, it won't be popular. The broader the better, so maybe a percent or two on VAT rather than income tax.

Or if they're going to change income tax, then scrap NIC and raise income tax by a few percent so that "working" people aren't hammered, i.e. reduction in partly compensates the increase in income tax.

Yup, Reeves has been utterly awful and incompetent. Got to hope that Burnham has someone lined up who will actually bother to understand the job, do lots of research and not be blinkered by sixth form level politics of envy! Lets hope it's not Miliband - now that would be a disaster.

That’s been his whole political persona from day one.

He says he takes responsibility and then…sacks someone.

Having both Reeves and Starmer out would improve the quality of government speech no end. What a bonus!

Mn is nuts rn. So angry over Starmer.

They all need to get a grip! He wasn't the messiah, he was a rather mediocre bloke who wasn't adept at politics. Never mind, move on.

Was listening to a labour MP the other evening. West country I think. He was saying that there was a wealth of talent amongst the 411 members which should be utilised now. They've been in place long enough to start moving them onto greater work. Pp said the other day that a junior minister had only met Starmer once!!! Sorry it's not good enough to treat them like mushrooms.

Id like to see a crack down on fraud first before taxes rise and net zero budget reduced as well.

Agree they need to let it go already. He was mediocre, but also arrogant, sneering and sacked anyone he could to survive. The electorate funnily enough said no to that.