Another two men sentenced for sexually abusing their children

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It's emerged that on the same day that Jamie Varley was found guilty of sexually abusing and murdering a baby he and his partner had adopted, another two men were sentenced for sexually abusing two boys they had fostered.

Incredibly, Matthias T and Steven van H (Rotterdam District Court refused to give their full names) were given suspended sentences due to the psychological nature of their crimes.

They were found guilty of raping two young foster boys (aged 7 and 10). They also filmed themselves doing this and were found with thousands of child sexual abuse pictures and videos.

In addition, they were found guilty of raping their dog.

They were given suspended sentences, 240 hours community service and a pet ban, the children were removed from their care, and that was it. The court decided that because of the bestiality, there must be a psychological issue with them, and they were therefore given a lesser sentence.

I know some will be bitterly opposed to this, but isn't it time we stopped giving fostered and adopted children to two men?

https://www.geenstijl.nl/5190348/pleegvaders-mathias-en-steven-gevangenisstraf

There are at least two high profile cases just in the last couple of years that would prove you wrong on your last claim. Just off the top of my head.

Loads of cases where women didn't act as the whistleblower unfortunately.

The amount of women whose husbands go down for abusing their daughter/step daughter who will blame their own daughter for being a temptress is huge.

Again, most women wouldn't ignore. But most men wouldn't either. I don't normally have patience for the "women do bad stuff too" argument since normally it's the case that they do but at much lower rates. But turning a blind eye to your partner's evil is equal opportunities.

It’s interesting that a lot of posters wouldn’t be happy to send their young child to a nursery with male staff, some don’t allow sleepovers where unknown men are in the house, but are perfectly happy to allow men to adopt children without the protective factor of a female in the house. As long as it’s not their own children it’s fine, it seems…

Should you not wait for the claims to be proven ?

I’m happy to lay my cards on the table and say that with what I know now I’d not put a child in a nursery where they’d have intimate care done by a man I don’t know, I’d not have a male babsitter I didn’t know, and if for any reason my children had to be adopted I’d want them adopted by a woman.

Any sense of discomfort that I might feel at this in terms of upsetting people would not outweigh my duty to protect my children.

Surely if your sexuality denotes you cannot have children why the clamour to give children.
They're people not accessories.

So single dads shouldn’t be allowed to have their own kids over night either by that logic?

If you’re biologically unable to have children, but are female - does the same apply?

Perhaps such as there are a bajillion new different jobs and job titles like nurse practitoner, associate physician practitioner, etc basically lower band workers who "plug the gaps" as there aren't as many nurses or doctor roles funded
Maybe something similar in social work? Where their whole job is social work assistant/care support worker? Unannounced drop ins on families with looked after children, more boots on the ground work than social works death by admin current approach? More stringent contact with SS from adopting parents ? I don't know

Most definitely not.

I can't agree. I know a gay male couple who adopted a little boy when he was about 18 months old. He's now 7 and a very happy little boy. While the cases mentioned are horrific, it doesn't mean that every male that wants to adopt a child is going to abuse them. This couple wanted a child because they both wanted to be dads and for them, adoption was the best route.

Straight couples also do heinous, evil things to their adopted/foster children. Shall we ban straight people from adopting too?

We should only stop allowing gay male couples to
adopt or foster children if we have evidence that it is a problem. One story is an anecdote.

But for the majority of cases it is two gay men.

I might have misunderstood but are you saying that straight men are statistically more likely to sexually abuse children than gay men?

In days gone by was it a given in the male gay community that having a child wasn't happening for obvious reasons ?
Obviously not all gay men are abusing deviants.

Maybe straight couples should be better parents then, to avoid "the gays" getting them

You read about men in straight relationships abusing their children all the time. I bet its a damn site more than gay couples. Why isnt anyone in uproar about this

Of course, not every male wants to abuse children, but there is undoubtedly significantly more risk in placing a child with men than women, whether they're gay or straight, and I think it should be okay to talk about that and put men under more scrutiny in these situations because the alternative is kids being abused and murdered because nobody wanted to be accused of being a bigot.

We are. The problem is when it's gay men or transwomen or people from certain ethnic minorities, people are scared to act when they have concerns because they don't want to be accused of being bigots or racists. It happened with grooming gangs, and it was a factor in the case of poor Preston. You don't get the same issues when it's a white, straight man. It's just another issue that's making it harder for these people to be caught sooner.

I strongly disagree with your premise that male couples should not be allowed to adopt.

Sadly it isn't rare for children to be abused by adopters, foster carers or their own birth family, and it's true most perpetrators are male. However, many males in heterosexual relationships are perfectly capable of abusing their children and either hiding it from the mother or making them complicit. Many children are abused and killed by stepfathers who are in relationships with the mothers of the child - we already know this is a strong risk factor.

So by your logic, no household that includes an adult male should be able to adopt. And female adopters abuse too - see Leiland-James Corkill.

I know two separate real life male adopters who have adopted some of the most challenging children and are as loving parents as I have witnessed.

I suspect you are simply a homophobic bigot.

By that argument only single women or women in Lesbian relationships should be allowed to adopt children

The idea that a woman in a heterosexual adoptive couple is a "protective factor" is sadly not always the case. Just as having another male partner is not a protective factor all the time. Most women would be, but so would most men. While women are less likely to commit slmany crimes, I don't think there is any evidence that they are less likely to cover for/ignore a partner commiting hideous crimes than men are. Sadly. Women are often recruited by abusers because of the perception women are "safer".

Children need adopting and fostering. They should always be kept within their families if possible but unfortunately it isn't. So foster/adoptive parents should be encouraged and supported and checked very carefully. Regardless of sex.
The alternative is children's homes where a lot of abuse can also happen. Eg https://www.bbc.com/news/live/czexkk6er48t here we see a male predator and his willing female accomplice.

I'm certainly not homophobic; I'm a lesbian. I just think there is inherently more risk with males, gay or straight, adopting. Males commit 98 percent of all sex crimes; it's that simple.

Kids put up for adoption have already been removed from women as well as men though, maybe adoption should have more scrutiny for everyone because anyone can be abusive or neglectful.

Shocking that some would rather concentrate on the gay aspect than the fact that children (and animals) are being horrifically abused by men. Men men men I'm sick of them to be honest

my own husband said he's annoyed at being bucketed in with them and I had absolutely nothing to say to him. How fucking awful is that?!

I don’t think it appears that way at all - often the child’s own mother goes along with it. Look at Star Hobson, no men involved there whatsoever.