Belfast attack

[Greenwitchart]

I can see that the previous thread on the topic is full so I am starting a new one to continue the discussion.

The points I wanted to say as someone who immigrated to the UK over 30 years ago:

• This is a horrific attack and everyone's thoughts should be with the victim and his loved one.

• However, I do think that we have an issue with some people getting into the country whether legally or illegally who simply don't have the same values as the majority of the population and are not able to follow its laws and customs.

• The asylum and immigration system needs a serious overall and to do more to stop men who are a potential danger to society because of their beliefs/culture/failure to integrate getting through the system and ending up committing violent acts. Some people destroy their documents and checks can only go so far when it is hard to verify claims and the chaotic countries they come from does not have reliable records that can be accessed . There are many peaceful and genuine asylum seekers who just want a safe place to live in peace but we seem to be getting in too many angry, violent men who abuse the system and that has to stop.

• I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.

• Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in. It does not work if they just live parallel lives and fail to follow the law of the land.

Got to be ffs

I assume so. Surely?

You say, and I quote, those people come from "violent and misogynist countries" so they are behaving according to their values.

So these mobs of violent white thugs setting fire to things and destroying property , or any white British bloke who beats up or murders his wife or girlfriend - what's their excuse?

I was arguing with my husband over this tonight as he was saying something really needs to be done. I said not to generalise and then my 16yr old Son said Mum have you seen the video I said no and I thought it was just going to be a blurred out image but it was the full attack on Tik Tok and was horrific. Kids saw it in broad daylight. It will definitely influence your view. If I was the family of this man who was attacked this would give me nightmares.

I think it’s just ignorance!

You missed the bit about them marrying children. I also missed loads out, such as them stripping away the rights of their women and stoning them to death etc…

These riots tonight- firstly you’re assuming they’re all white. Why would they be? Can British people of any other colour not be outraged? Secondly, I don’t agree whatsoever with some of the behaviour tonight.

White British bloke, or black British bloke, or British bloke of any other colour beating their partner up… I don’t know what their excuse is, but as far as i’m concerned, there isn’t one.

What a really strange point you’re making. Struggling to see the relevance 🤷🏻‍♀️

What about the King, the late Queen? Do they all count? The road your going down gets very messy, very fast!

Which ones? Because I've worked with lots of young asylum seekers coming here and they were the most polite, integration focused young men. Hugely motivated to speak English, really keen to study and volunteer and get involved in the local community while waiting to be allowed to get a job and work. Very respectful of others and actually they would all have celebrated each others religious holidays together as a show of support despite not sharing the same faith. A lot of them were coming to create safe pathways for female relatives and some had escorted their female relatives on their journey to help them escape child marriage or being forced into sexual slavery because of the increased risks for women coming alone. They do indeed come from countries where misogyny and violence is rife and they would talk a lot about how awful that was and how much things had changed which is exactly why they cared enough to get their female relatives out.

Since so many women are particularly targeted for sexual slavery and rape on the journey you can imagine why young men are sent ahead even though a lot of them end up abused along the way.

I've honestly yet to meet one in person I'd describe as a monster and I've worked closely with a lot. And that's only asylum seekers. Never mind the other types of migrants I've got to know or worked with or supported. So yes, when you know the population on an individual level it makes it easier to see an individual crime as an individual crime.

I personally found it hilarious 😂

IKR? It's so fucking boring. Imagine being one of them though, having to come out to defend every single atrocity or abuse of justice. Gotta admire their stamina!

Yes, I see huge numbers of youths riding around on electric scooters and dodgy mopeds with balaclavas on and they're very clearly white Scottish.

I'll explain again, since you have difficulty understanding. Your quote was that people who come from violent misogynist countries do violent things.

What about people of British heritage that murder or rape, or carry out any violent crime? Surely having BRITISH VALUES would stop them doing those things?

Or is it maybe, just maybe, that anyone from anywhere can be a violent criminal, regardless of background?

How do you think importing men from violent and misogynistic countries will make things better?

Got to love the old “there are thousands of white rapists and murderers, why the hell are you complaining about thousands more coming?!”

I do understand and I think you’re talking shit and deflecting.

No. Having British values would not stop a number of men from doing terrible things.

Men coming from Countries where this behaviour is normalised and encouraged is the problem. Setting them loose into the UK, undocumented and unvetted is the problem.

Just to add to that that Northern Ireland has a massive historical legacy of significant violence and is currently the most dangerous place to be a woman in Western Europe due to the high rates of femicide. So if we're worried about men from countries with violent backgrounds and misogyny and are saying they can only be violent and misogynistic then are you saying that's all that men from Northern Ireland can be? Or is it different for them because they're white? Just curious.

I think they're trying to make the point that men can be harmful no matter where they're from so it's important not to categorise an entire (and diverse) group of people by the actions of a few who do awful things.

Are we complaining about thousands more rapists and murders coming or just thousands more immigrants coming? Because you know those two things are not the same right?

This isn’t my experience at all, sadly.

And if it was; we simply don’t have the resources to take in hundreds of thousands. And most do not want it. This is still a democracy, for now, and I think the prevailing winds make the wishes of the public clear.

If only it was one lunatic. One lunatic that's is only 5 minutes since the last one. Is Rhiannon Whyte forgotten already?

How do you know who is who in the absence of proper criminal records from home countries?

@Lavender14 Of course there will be a percentage that behave the way you’ve described and I do understand your point that it’s easier to see it as an individual crime when you’re up close and personal like that.

Remember when someone was naughty in the classroom and so the whole class was punished? That’s the way it’s going because honestly it’s clear as day that there’s been story after story of these men doing barbaric things to the innocent people of the Country that is hosting them. It’s not rare. It’s way, way, way too common place and British people are understandably worried, angry, scared and sick to death of it.

Complaining about thousands more rapists and murderers coming. Why tf wouldn’t I be?

Is the culture some of you are so desperate to protect? Hardly seems worth it to me.

‘Families with young children mingled with men wearing masks and young couples. Some exuded a carnival atmosphere, posing for pictures and drinking beer.
One man hoisted up his son, aged around seven, for a better view of another destroyed house. “Get a duke at that,” he said. “Wow,” the boy replied.’

An unusual British citizen in that he is allowed to carry an offensive weapon when the majority of the public are not.