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Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 14:18

RedTagAlan · Yesterday 14:15

Actually yes. You do.

By definition, if anyone emigrates from one country they are immigrants to another.

I am a brit in a country other than Britain. And guess what I am. I am an immigrant. That is why I have to deal with immigration where I am.

Actually you don’t say people are immigrating to Dubai. You might say they are living there long term, but not immigrating as Dubai does not grant British citizens Dubai citizenship or permanent residency.

Happyjoe · Yesterday 14:19

Walkyrie · Yesterday 14:14

It still includes Sikhs, as far as I’m concerned. What happened to Henry was tragic but truly a one off, I can’t think of a time a Sikh has ever committed such an attack before. The outrage was over the police behaviour. And the fact everybody is prohibited from carrying a blade unless for ‘religious purposes’ And yes this needs addressing.

There’s a reason Chinese, Japanese, Sikh and Hindu immigrants are generally never mentioned.

Because your ‘violent man from Hong Kong’ doesn’t exist.

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Because your ‘violent man from Hong Kong’ doesn’t exist.

Never heard of the Triad then?!

nearlylovemyusername · Yesterday 14:21

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 14:06

It is not banning under 16s that is the issue, it the implication for everyone else. It means surveillance and blocking of things for potential political reasons.

this is exactly what Elon and Mark want you to believe and the only way they can object to this ban.

As a society we're very far from blocking political content.
If anything, I'd completely ban screen time from under 16th, this would do endless good to the world. And rebut comments like yours

Puzzledandpissedoff · Yesterday 14:21

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 13:23

News organisations such as the BBC, Sky, Channel 4 news, broadsheets and tabloids all must abide by a set a of standards, and will need to corroborate any facts before making them public.

The BBC that put out an hour-long documentary narrated by the son of an Hamas official?

Yes I forgot to add that one to the list, Dandelionsalad

Naturally the BBC tried to foist all the blame onto the production company, even though their own investigation showed this wasn't necessarily credible, but never mind ... Tim Davey said they'd make sure such things couldn't be repeated

And yes, that's the same Tim Davey who had to fall on his sword over the Trump speech fakery

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn7dpvee4gkt

Araminta1003 · Yesterday 14:21

“A few months ago, the "good" law-abiding immigrants/religious minorities included Sikhs. I can remember SYL responding to a rape of a Sikh woman with something along the lines of "that's wrong, we don't have a problem with Sikhs". Then a Sikh man commits a (horrific) crime and not only are Sikhs as a group now in with the "incompatible culture" lot, there are also people complaining that it's lefty minded types who had been ignoring the rights warnings about cultural differences that led to the crime.
All it takes is one violent man from Hong Kong and a scandal Farage wants to distract from and we will be hearing how Hong Kongers criminal tendancies are ignored by the left, how half a million of them are here now and they don't share our values, Fu Manchu Etc etc.
It's an ever changing map.”

@Persephonia1966 - the Sikh community are working hard to clarify that the dagger Digwa was carrying is part of an anomalous Sikh sect and the judge was all too liberal in accepting that it constituted a Kirpan that can be carried in public. I think they want that redefined themselves.

The thing is all of Catholics, Protestants, COE, Muslims, Sikhs etc have a problem with sects and extremists amongst their midst. And the full on liberalism towards “religion” can be misused. And I think the Digwa case is one example of that.

And soon we may get a Reform protestor battering someone with a big cross in a drunken brawl. And then what? Suddenly the Church of England will be to blame. I think not.

AlecTrevelyan006 · Yesterday 14:25

People who come to this country, integrate and work hard are not uniformly seen as immigrants. I suspect you'll find that if you sit next to Jose or Mo and they come from another country but are basically just another guy and behave in similar ways to yourself that the right by and large doesn't view them as an immigrant despite the fact they are the dictionary definition, the left would include them.

There's a word lacking to describe people that come here commit crimes, take benefits and basically make everyone's life a bit worth for no gain. Many of them are not Illegal, however they maybe of similar backgrounds.

This goes back to the left/right split where the left loves to label people and talk about those labels and the right only really talks about your label if you start causing trouble. If you showed most right leaning folks all the immigrants (by definition) that just get on they would say "yah but that's just Mo he's not an immigrant"

Basically terminology that's non universal is again the root of the debate because nobody is talking about the same group of people, the left think the right want to literally deport everyone who wasn't born here and most of the right just doesn't want to care about where you come from as long as you fit in to a reasonable degree.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · Yesterday 14:25

Happyjoe · Yesterday 14:19

Because your ‘violent man from Hong Kong’ doesn’t exist.

Never heard of the Triad then?!

To be fair to Triad gangs (and according to a Chinese Vietnamese friend of mine), they mostly have inter gang warfare and in the country where they live. They may have warfare with gangs outside Triad gangs but she never told me about this and I’ve never heard of it.

mathanxiety · Yesterday 14:25

TheSmallAssassin · Yesterday 08:54

I guess because they want to just report the facts as they are known so far, whilst Elon Musk wants to whip up unrest? Open your eyes, OP.

Presumably the OP has the same intention as Elon Musk here.

The reporting on the BBC mentioned the word 'brutal' iirc, and also the nationality of the attacker.

I don't think the OP would be happy u less the BBC also issued an open invitation to gather pitchforks and set houses ablaze.

As if Belfast hasn't seen enough of that kind of senselessness.

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 14:25

Happyjoe · Yesterday 14:19

Because your ‘violent man from Hong Kong’ doesn’t exist.

Never heard of the Triad then?!

Violent men from Hong Kong exist, so do men from HK with mental health issues. Violent men exist in every country including the UK and Ireland. But Farage and SYL only care about some violent men when it's convenient for their purposes. Eg Connor McGregor's one of the lads but if a migrant had done what he did and got away with it they would be riding the wave of (justified) public anger.

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 14:25

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · Yesterday 14:15

As a migrant from Africa herself, I would be happy to assume she knows more about it than you do.

You’re free to assume anything you want. I think it would be very strange to assume a person knows the motivation of every other person on the continent. Do you, for example, know why Dominique Pelicot acted as he did?

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · Yesterday 14:28

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 14:25

You’re free to assume anything you want. I think it would be very strange to assume a person knows the motivation of every other person on the continent. Do you, for example, know why Dominique Pelicot acted as he did?

Because he was a violent man with little regard for women.

MightyDandelionEsq · Yesterday 14:29

Araminta1003 · Yesterday 14:10

“It is not banning under 16s that is the issue, it the implication for everyone else. It means surveillance and blocking of things for potential political reasons.”

@Dandelionsalad - you either want our children to be safe or not. And online is the complete Wild West, even worse than the supposed crime ridden streets of London. Which again Elon and his pals have exaggerated. To the point that less people are investing in London now and we are all paying for it.

So if you want to be safe from the immigrants, you will also have to accept cameras and checks too.

The keep everyone out, full free speech and hate the police brigade - it is inconsistent.

And I am all for sending economic migrants from Albania back to a safe country. But Sudan is a war zone and we are still signatories to the European Convention on Human Rights and will likely remain in it.

Maybe that was the point of extreme amounts of immigration and wanting the population to become angry - to bring in these ‘safeguards’. It’s interesting we see so many politicians with ties to China and a lot of their technology is seemingly being adapted.

I welcome children being off of social media but to pretend this doesn’t bring in a form of online digital ID and further tracking of online activity is disingenuous. To pretend this won’t enable a govt with nefarious reasons to further censor and control information is naive.

The line about VAWG and children seems to only be trotted out for state censorship on the internet , it’s gone nowhere when it’s the grooming gangs, pedophiles and pathetically short (if non existent) rape punishments. The recent traveller boys gang raping two under 16 girls only got a review due to social media pressure. It was fine to be ignored by the establishment when it wasn’t reported on.

I don’t believe Elon has exaggerated and him being the bogeyman is boring now. He may be able to capitalise on an event - but the event still happened and often was understated by the govt. The ‘opposing side’ are just as bad at capitalising on an event and I’m tired of the hypocrisy.

Maybe we need the events to be dramatically decreased as this is becoming daily headlines and maybe that’s what’s angering people. I am sick and tired of violence by guests of this country being normalised. We can easily rid ourselves of these and then have the capacity to work on stopping our own born and bred scum.

Happyjoe · Yesterday 14:29

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 14:25

Violent men from Hong Kong exist, so do men from HK with mental health issues. Violent men exist in every country including the UK and Ireland. But Farage and SYL only care about some violent men when it's convenient for their purposes. Eg Connor McGregor's one of the lads but if a migrant had done what he did and got away with it they would be riding the wave of (justified) public anger.

You're preaching to the choir.
But, Conor? The boxer? What's he done?!

Ginnyweasleyswand · Yesterday 14:29

MurunBuchstansangursCousinRossiter · Yesterday 14:11

I’d quite happily send a criminal like this maniac into a war zone. I literally do not give a shit about his trauma or mental health.

And what's the impact on the victim's human rights and mental health if he stays in the UK? The problem is the attacker's mental health is prioritised over and above the victim's, same for the grooming gang perpetrators who get to stay and further intimidate their victims.

For some reason the lawyers that are available to defend against deportation of the criminal monsters aren't available to grooming gang survivors or victims to argue about the impact on THEIR mental health and THEIR human rights when the criminal stays in the UK.

Ginnyweasleyswand · Yesterday 14:30

The problem with the BBC is that they've been calling violent male murderers and rapists 'she/her' for years. And similar falsehoods.

So trust in their 'accurate reporting' is more than a little lacking now.

Community notes on X are a wonderful thing.

Spookyspaghetti · Yesterday 14:31

MelanzaneParmigiana · Yesterday 09:00

‘Tedious’ posts about stabbings….
Because we should now just shrug and just accept our children being horrifically attacked.
Utterly despicable to casually condemn other peoples suffering.
This occurred last night / should have led the news everywhere in a civilised society.

It was a middle aged man attacked and maybe you should take a moment to consider the privacy of the victim and their family before trying to promote this horrific attack to further your own agenda. Give the victim their dignity.

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 14:31

Araminta1003 · Yesterday 14:21

“A few months ago, the "good" law-abiding immigrants/religious minorities included Sikhs. I can remember SYL responding to a rape of a Sikh woman with something along the lines of "that's wrong, we don't have a problem with Sikhs". Then a Sikh man commits a (horrific) crime and not only are Sikhs as a group now in with the "incompatible culture" lot, there are also people complaining that it's lefty minded types who had been ignoring the rights warnings about cultural differences that led to the crime.
All it takes is one violent man from Hong Kong and a scandal Farage wants to distract from and we will be hearing how Hong Kongers criminal tendancies are ignored by the left, how half a million of them are here now and they don't share our values, Fu Manchu Etc etc.
It's an ever changing map.”

@Persephonia1966 - the Sikh community are working hard to clarify that the dagger Digwa was carrying is part of an anomalous Sikh sect and the judge was all too liberal in accepting that it constituted a Kirpan that can be carried in public. I think they want that redefined themselves.

The thing is all of Catholics, Protestants, COE, Muslims, Sikhs etc have a problem with sects and extremists amongst their midst. And the full on liberalism towards “religion” can be misused. And I think the Digwa case is one example of that.

And soon we may get a Reform protestor battering someone with a big cross in a drunken brawl. And then what? Suddenly the Church of England will be to blame. I think not.

I don't have a problem with redefining the Kirpan. Acting on that after processing all the information available in the case and discussing the solution is not the same as the knee jerk bursts of anger men like Elon Musk demand. I don't know if liberalism towards religion was too blame in the Digwa case. It might be but that's the sort of thing that comes out via an inquiry not a discussion on Twitter or sending death threats to a police woman.
Digwa was investigated for the murder and successfully prosecuted. I don't think the competence of the investigating team is in question. It's the initial response where the fault happened.

RedTagAlan · Yesterday 14:31

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 14:18

Actually you don’t say people are immigrating to Dubai. You might say they are living there long term, but not immigrating as Dubai does not grant British citizens Dubai citizenship or permanent residency.

Note the link below for where foreigners in Dubai need to go. The immigration department. That is because they are immigrants, by definition.

Immigration Office Dubai Timing, Location and Contact Number (uaequest.ae)

Immigration Office Dubai

Immigration Office Dubai Timing, Location and Contact Number

Dubai is the favorite holiday destination and desired place to live for millions of people. The foreign citizens are required to obtain visa from Immigration

https://uaequest.ae/immigration-office-dubai-timing-location/

Andouillette · Yesterday 14:33

StandingDeskDisco · Yesterday 09:50

Yes but why - what is the strategy and goal?

Megalomania, power, control, even more money and probably a big heap of plain old badness as well.

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 14:33

nearlylovemyusername · Yesterday 14:21

this is exactly what Elon and Mark want you to believe and the only way they can object to this ban.

As a society we're very far from blocking political content.
If anything, I'd completely ban screen time from under 16th, this would do endless good to the world. And rebut comments like yours

Of course we have had political content blocked!

I would ban all pornography but that doesn’t seem such a concern.

Spookyspaghetti · Yesterday 14:33

Ginnyweasleyswand · Yesterday 14:30

The problem with the BBC is that they've been calling violent male murderers and rapists 'she/her' for years. And similar falsehoods.

So trust in their 'accurate reporting' is more than a little lacking now.

Community notes on X are a wonderful thing.

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And there is also no need for the anti-trans brigade to hijack every discussion and try to make other people’s personal tragedies about you.

hypnovic · Yesterday 14:34

Put your brown spoon down, get off social media. Pick up a book ffs

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 14:34

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 14:07

And there would be lot less of them too without immigration - currently over a fifth of the population was born outside the UK.

Born outside the UK doesn’t always mean an immigrant. But yes, in theory we’d just have fat Brits and fewer doctors. Sounds great. 👍

MightyDandelionEsq · Yesterday 14:35

Spookyspaghetti · Yesterday 14:33

And there is also no need for the anti-trans brigade to hijack every discussion and try to make other people’s personal tragedies about you.

It’s not hijacking. It’s making the point that the BBC isn’t reporting on factual information and will follow the ideology it thinks best when reporting.

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 14:38

Happyjoe · Yesterday 14:29

You're preaching to the choir.
But, Conor? The boxer? What's he done?!

If you’re serious..? A fair few things but I assume the pp is referring to the civil case where he was found culpable for rape en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conor_McGregor

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