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Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 14:07

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 14:01

By far the biggest cost to the NHS is disease caused by people not looking after themselves - obesity and related illness including cancer, CVD and diabetes, alcohol use and MSK conditions.

And there would be lot less of them too without immigration - currently over a fifth of the population was born outside the UK.

Maggispice · Yesterday 14:07

Cappuccino5 · Yesterday 13:54

Elon Musk wanting to whip up unrest? Oh come off it!

An attempted beheading occurred on the streets of Belfast last night by a non UK national. There are the facts. It’s disgraceful and our government has a lot to answer for. Any ‘unrest’ is deserved at this point - people are tired and angry of this rubbish polluting our country and draining taxpayer funds. The offender is now being treated in a hospital local to me - A&E waiting times there are frequently over 30 hours for decent citizens. Why should this barbarian be entitled to care?

Skilled migration is great. Without migrant nurses, surgeons etc the hospital I work at couldn’t function. I highly doubt that this man was either of those things and it has to stop.

You're right! This guy very likely didn't apply for a visa and book a plane ticket.
How can we pretend it's wise to allow anyone into the country without properly vetting. Leave your front door open then.

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 14:09

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Araminta1003 · Yesterday 14:10

“It is not banning under 16s that is the issue, it the implication for everyone else. It means surveillance and blocking of things for potential political reasons.”

@Dandelionsalad - you either want our children to be safe or not. And online is the complete Wild West, even worse than the supposed crime ridden streets of London. Which again Elon and his pals have exaggerated. To the point that less people are investing in London now and we are all paying for it.

So if you want to be safe from the immigrants, you will also have to accept cameras and checks too.

The keep everyone out, full free speech and hate the police brigade - it is inconsistent.

And I am all for sending economic migrants from Albania back to a safe country. But Sudan is a war zone and we are still signatories to the European Convention on Human Rights and will likely remain in it.

Happyjoe · Yesterday 14:11

Maggispice · Yesterday 14:07

You're right! This guy very likely didn't apply for a visa and book a plane ticket.
How can we pretend it's wise to allow anyone into the country without properly vetting. Leave your front door open then.

There needs to be a way that people can claim for asylum from overseas.

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 14:11

Maggispice · Yesterday 14:07

You're right! This guy very likely didn't apply for a visa and book a plane ticket.
How can we pretend it's wise to allow anyone into the country without properly vetting. Leave your front door open then.

He had a visa according to the DUP
https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15884987/Man-suffers-injuries-stabbed-Belfast-suspect-arrested.html

Sudanese man arrested after attempted 'beheading' in Belfast

Officers from the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) were called to Kinnaird Avenue in the north of the city at around 10.30pm on Monday.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15884987/Man-suffers-injuries-stabbed-Belfast-suspect-arrested.html

MsJinks · Yesterday 14:11

SpudGunToo · Yesterday 13:56

To be fair we’d need far fewer NHS staff if we imported fewer stabby people.

What a ridiculous statement - are you embarrassed about it yet?

MurunBuchstansangursCousinRossiter · Yesterday 14:11

Araminta1003 · Yesterday 13:23

Sudan is a war zone. You cannot return a criminal to a war zone even an awful criminal.
Reality is people from this kind of conflict area may arrive with severe trauma and mental health issues potentially and can be a huge threat to the public. All reasonably foreseeable. They should have a psychological evaluation.
I guess if we do not have enough mental health professionals to deal with our own case load, then this kind of thing will slip through.

I’d quite happily send a criminal like this maniac into a war zone. I literally do not give a shit about his trauma or mental health.

justasking111 · Yesterday 14:12

Maggispice · Yesterday 14:01

Thank you for this most beautiful intelligent question.
I came legally using the Highly Skilled Migrant Program. The program allocates points based on education, profession and experience.
I had a masters in my profession. My profession was on the approved list and I had professional experience. As a result I've never had to claim any benefit and I mostly use private healthcare not the NHS.

My DS went the other way to an island where taxes were high, he used private healthcare. Being on an island if your illness was serious you were sent to the USA. The island had drug issues, stabbings, shootings.

We're in a bit of a bubble in the UK with our knife, gun laws which we abide by and outsiders struggle to understand.

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 14:13

Walkyrie · Yesterday 13:55

Agree. ‘Immigrants’ also mean half a million people here from Hong Kong, to which I’ve never seen a single objection - because they’re generally outstanding citizens with comparable values.

They’re not one homogenous blob, where the law abiding nature of many of them can cover up for the rest.

A few months ago, the "good" law-abiding immigrants/religious minorities included Sikhs. I can remember SYL responding to a rape of a Sikh woman with something along the lines of "that's wrong, we don't have a problem with Sikhs". Then a Sikh man commits a (horrific) crime and not only are Sikhs as a group now in with the "incompatible culture" lot, there are also people complaining that it's lefty minded types who had been ignoring the rights warnings about cultural differences that led to the crime.

All it takes is one violent man from Hong Kong and a scandal Farage wants to distract from and we will be hearing how Hong Kongers criminal tendancies are ignored by the left, how half a million of them are here now and they don't share our values, Fu Manchu Etc etc.

It's an ever changing map.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · Yesterday 14:13

It seems it’s being reported more widely now and the attacker is Sudanese.

Cappuccino5 · Yesterday 14:13

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Ah, there it is - the classic English xenophobia & ignorance towards the Irish! I suggest you read up on the real cause of the famine and get back to me. Mass deaths and starvation manufactured by the British.

Trust me, I’m from NI and appreciate my Irish passport much more than my British one. EU citizenship and no queues at immigration is lovely!

MsJinks · Yesterday 14:14

Yes I’ve seen 5 year visa reported - the 5 year visa is a multi entry visitor visa and not a route to settlement. It’s for those who want to visit several times - not stay. So actually quite different for those howling we don’t want immigrants living here.

I’m not of course sure that the reporting of this visa is accurate- not many places care about the facts of immigration and visas.

TheLizardQueen · Yesterday 14:14

Dollymylove · Yesterday 09:38

It might have been picked up by CCTV or ring doorbell

And it might not have been, then we would never have known the details because of media cover up

justasking111 · Yesterday 14:14

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Passports work the other way. I could get an EU passport because my mother was Irish.

EarthlyNightshade · Yesterday 14:14

Maggispice · Yesterday 13:03

Absolutely! I agree! I'm an immigrant. I migrated LEGALLY over 20yrs ago. There're no jobs in the UK. The NHS, renting, house prices etc all negatively affected by huge demand and lack of supply. Govt needs to face the citizens first.

Are you happy to return home or stay here and lose benefits?

Because that's what Reform and Restore are advocating.

Walkyrie · Yesterday 14:14

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 14:13

A few months ago, the "good" law-abiding immigrants/religious minorities included Sikhs. I can remember SYL responding to a rape of a Sikh woman with something along the lines of "that's wrong, we don't have a problem with Sikhs". Then a Sikh man commits a (horrific) crime and not only are Sikhs as a group now in with the "incompatible culture" lot, there are also people complaining that it's lefty minded types who had been ignoring the rights warnings about cultural differences that led to the crime.

All it takes is one violent man from Hong Kong and a scandal Farage wants to distract from and we will be hearing how Hong Kongers criminal tendancies are ignored by the left, how half a million of them are here now and they don't share our values, Fu Manchu Etc etc.

It's an ever changing map.

It still includes Sikhs, as far as I’m concerned. What happened to Henry was tragic but truly a one off, I can’t think of a time a Sikh has ever committed such an attack before. The outrage was over the police behaviour. And the fact everybody is prohibited from carrying a blade unless for ‘religious purposes’ And yes this needs addressing.

There’s a reason Chinese, Japanese, Sikh and Hindu immigrants are generally never mentioned.

Because your ‘violent man from Hong Kong’ doesn’t exist.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · Yesterday 14:15

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 14:05

So it’s ok to assume other migrants come here solely for benefits, but not to be asked the same question?

As a migrant from Africa herself, I would be happy to assume she knows more about it than you do.

RedTagAlan · Yesterday 14:15

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 13:53

You don’t say “people are immigrating to Spain and Dubai” though do you!

Actually yes. You do.

By definition, if anyone emigrates from one country they are immigrants to another.

I am a brit in a country other than Britain. And guess what I am. I am an immigrant. That is why I have to deal with immigration where I am.

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 14:16

Araminta1003 · Yesterday 14:10

“It is not banning under 16s that is the issue, it the implication for everyone else. It means surveillance and blocking of things for potential political reasons.”

@Dandelionsalad - you either want our children to be safe or not. And online is the complete Wild West, even worse than the supposed crime ridden streets of London. Which again Elon and his pals have exaggerated. To the point that less people are investing in London now and we are all paying for it.

So if you want to be safe from the immigrants, you will also have to accept cameras and checks too.

The keep everyone out, full free speech and hate the police brigade - it is inconsistent.

And I am all for sending economic migrants from Albania back to a safe country. But Sudan is a war zone and we are still signatories to the European Convention on Human Rights and will likely remain in it.

The government has very publically discussed banning VPNs. Why would companies want to invest here if they can’t keep their business information confidential? That is before you even consider the punitive tax regime Labour has installed with threats of windfall taxes on any profits.

I am happy to accept checks and cameras at the borders. Are you saying we don’t have adequate border checks and controls to keep us safe from immigrants within the uk?

CagedBirdInACage · Yesterday 14:17

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It works the other way too. Almost 90% of Irelands asylum seekers come from the UK crossing the border at NI. 10s of 1000s of people who posters on this thread would describe as 'illegals' spill into Ireland from the UK. Never hear a peep about that from the 'Stop the boats' people. Not happy to take them from France but more than happy to pass them on to Ireland.

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 14:18

Cappuccino5 · Yesterday 14:13

Ah, there it is - the classic English xenophobia & ignorance towards the Irish! I suggest you read up on the real cause of the famine and get back to me. Mass deaths and starvation manufactured by the British.

Trust me, I’m from NI and appreciate my Irish passport much more than my British one. EU citizenship and no queues at immigration is lovely!

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Sorry you thought I was being serious. I was mocking the insanity of judging any one individual by the paramilitary action of their countrymen.

I also have British and Irish passports.

MsJinks · Yesterday 14:18

TheLizardQueen · Yesterday 14:14

And it might not have been, then we would never have known the details because of media cover up

What exactly is the media cover up? They reported on it widely - tbh we don’t need a video when we can read the details. There were witnesses, police attendance and will be medical reports - quite sufficient to take the perpetrator to trial.

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 14:18

Walkyrie · Yesterday 14:14

It still includes Sikhs, as far as I’m concerned. What happened to Henry was tragic but truly a one off, I can’t think of a time a Sikh has ever committed such an attack before. The outrage was over the police behaviour. And the fact everybody is prohibited from carrying a blade unless for ‘religious purposes’ And yes this needs addressing.

There’s a reason Chinese, Japanese, Sikh and Hindu immigrants are generally never mentioned.

Because your ‘violent man from Hong Kong’ doesn’t exist.

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Some of the outrage was over police behaviour

There was definitely also outrage/racism directed at the Sikh community. Come on...

Outrage is justified when a bad thing that could have been prevented happens. The rage baiting and shit stirring and demands for video footage, speculation over motivations and the migration status of the attacker without any evidence. The rage when the authorities or other people don't just blindly agree with the suppositions put forward. The bringing in of personal grievances about past events into the conversation. The rioting. None of that helps or is justified.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · Yesterday 14:18

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