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SpudGunToo · Yesterday 13:56

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 13:18

About a third of NHS hospital doctors are foreign nationals - that’s around 50k doctors. Good luck finding replacement British ones at short notice.

To be fair we’d need far fewer NHS staff if we imported fewer stabby people.

Araminta1003 · Yesterday 13:56

Elon Musk wants clicks because the SpaceX IPO - it includes X. It is a huge IPO happening imminently. And it includes the dodgy AI Grok that used dodgy images. Billions and Billions at stake so Elon can go to Mars.

TheLizardQueen · Yesterday 13:56

TheSmallAssassin · Yesterday 09:24

The facts? Perhaps you are watching a very mentally ill person. Watching a video does not give you facts.

Ah yes, the mental illness card 🙄

Walkyrie · Yesterday 13:57

BackToLurk · Yesterday 13:53

What can I say. I’ve tired of racists.

This story will be used by people with an agenda to ‘prove’ that we shouldn’t let in illegal immigrants (obviously, the clue’s in illegal), asylum seekers or legal immigrants depending on the status of the culprit. Sometimes a story (like the Southport stabbing) can be handily used by them to show it not just “them coming over here”, it’s also their children, and so on and so on. It’s Somalis until the reporting changes, then it’s the Sudanese. All set against a background of made up stories and smelly foreigners.

Very little if any of this is about trying to find workable, humane ways to manage migration.

Ok let’s turn this argument around. Why should we let in hundreds of thousands of men from Eritrea, Sudan and Afghanistan? Can you persuade us?

Lalgarh · Yesterday 13:57

Ginnyweasleyswand · Yesterday 13:54

It depends where they're from. Men from countries like Afghanistan and other countries with medieval attitudes to women have far higher risk of offending.

Pretending everyone and every culture is the same doesn't help anyone.

There was a more or less on this a few months back

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0m1srml?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

The stats can't differentiate between if the marked and glaring discrepancy between sex offences rates for Afghan males are because a section of them are prolific offenders or just a general increase in their propensity to this type of offence in general. But it's not insignificant.

More or Less - Are Afghan nationals more likely to be convicted of sexual offences? - BBC Sounds

National debt, Afghan crime, menopause retirement and literal snail pace.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0m1srml?origin=share-mobile&partner=uk.co.bbc

BackToLurk · Yesterday 13:58

AlternateLook · Yesterday 13:54

'an entirely fictitious conspiracy theory...'. I'll fix your grammar.

One more article than you managed to find to prove your KS bullshit. Well done you.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 13:58

BackToLurk · Yesterday 13:56

It’s not mocking the victim, so cut the faux offence.

Cut the mocking, if you can.

Also what @Walkyrieis asking you

Araminta1003 · Yesterday 13:59

Also, the social media ban that is looming for under 16s is making Elon angry. Just to set the context.

None of this detracts from the fact the authorities do need to run more checks on people from other countries. Maybe Elon and his cameras and satellites could help there instead.

Naunet · Yesterday 13:59

Monty36 · Yesterday 09:43

Nothing funny about it. And you can be outraged without resorting to violence yourself.

Well yes, most of us can be angry without dashing out into the street to behead someone, hence why we're outraged when it does happen. Is that ok? Are we allowed to be disgusted by this, or does that make you uncomfortable for some reason?

And Im sorry if you've never encountered the phrase "funnily enough" before. It doesn't mean something is literally funny.

Cailleach1 · Yesterday 13:59

Happyjoe · Yesterday 12:29

Do you realise it's hard to radicalise someone with a sound mind?

It is a bit chicken and egg, though, isn’t it? Mao’s Red Guards were easily able to be radicalised to take part in the purges. It is just indoctrinated individuals, whose minds have been filled with hateful propaganda. Or to a point where it is easy to use them to persecute your target/ enemy.

Cappuccino5 · Yesterday 14:00

GingerBeverage · Yesterday 13:35

Some headlines are going with 'attempted beheading'.

Which is exactly what happened. What else would you call a man trying to saw a victim’s head off with a knife?

MurunBuchstansangursCousinRossiter · Yesterday 14:01

Polisheiah · Yesterday 10:34

Yes we have more than enough of our own problems. Why import more?????????????

This.

Yes we have plenty of our own wronguns. No reason to keep bringing more in. Especially if they’re from countries/cultures that literally dont value women and/or people from other cultures/religions as worthy.

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 14:01

SpudGunToo · Yesterday 13:56

To be fair we’d need far fewer NHS staff if we imported fewer stabby people.

By far the biggest cost to the NHS is disease caused by people not looking after themselves - obesity and related illness including cancer, CVD and diabetes, alcohol use and MSK conditions.

Maggispice · Yesterday 14:01

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 13:47

Did you come to the UK because of benefits?

Thank you for this most beautiful intelligent question.
I came legally using the Highly Skilled Migrant Program. The program allocates points based on education, profession and experience.
I had a masters in my profession. My profession was on the approved list and I had professional experience. As a result I've never had to claim any benefit and I mostly use private healthcare not the NHS.

Sunglade · Yesterday 14:01

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 13:53

I think you’ve answered a question you weren’t asked.

There’s a lot of evidence that shows the UK is attractive for lots of reasons, and that the opportunity to work illegally is more attractive than benefits (which are less generous than in other European countries, where actually more people settle).

it genuinely disturbs me that you work with refugees, I can only imagine it’s in a detention centre.

Then in saying more people settle where the benefits are better, would you not concede that they are what attracts people? There is little work to be had in the UK legally and even less illegal work. Yes I'm aware many people work illegally, and many work in seemingly legal ways but are massively exploited and at times overpaid due to tax avoidance. This is all common knowledge.

I work in adult education supporting a variety of people but most of them are migrants of one way or another. I can say without a doubt that one of the main pulls of the UK is that you get supported in what is to many of these people a very comfortable life and aren't expected to do anything in particular for it..do I blame them? Absolutely not, all people want to better their own lives no matter who they are, where they come from or by what means? Do I think they all live a blissful care free life here? No, no one does. Do I think that allowing this level of migration is making the UK a more expensive place to live for citizens, undermining worker's pay, driving down quality of services as we spend more and more supporting those by paying their landlord's rent for them for the benefit of very few very rich people? Well yes, because it's a fact.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · Yesterday 14:01

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 13:55

I don’t know, but it’s hardly historical is it https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-67443033

It’s more historical than this morning though, wouldn’t you say?

BackToLurk · Yesterday 14:01

Walkyrie · Yesterday 13:57

Ok let’s turn this argument around. Why should we let in hundreds of thousands of men from Eritrea, Sudan and Afghanistan? Can you persuade us?

The short answer would be we don’t let hundreds of thousands of men from those three countries in.

GingerBeverage · Yesterday 14:01

Cappuccino5 · Yesterday 14:00

Which is exactly what happened. What else would you call a man trying to saw a victim’s head off with a knife?

Go back and read the first reply to this thread.

Sunglade · Yesterday 14:03

BackToLurk · Yesterday 14:01

The short answer would be we don’t let hundreds of thousands of men from those three countries in.

You're right, it's millions..

Maggispice · Yesterday 14:04

SpudGunToo · Yesterday 13:56

To be fair we’d need far fewer NHS staff if we imported fewer stabby people.

Quite right!

MurunBuchstansangursCousinRossiter · Yesterday 14:04

MLMsuperfan · Yesterday 13:06

You mean like British people going to live in Spain or Dubai, yeah?

If Spain or Dubai or any other country has a problem with British people going to live there then of course they have every right to stop it happening.
What’s your point?

PinkArt · Yesterday 14:05

MelanzaneParmigiana · Yesterday 09:00

‘Tedious’ posts about stabbings….
Because we should now just shrug and just accept our children being horrifically attacked.
Utterly despicable to casually condemn other peoples suffering.
This occurred last night / should have led the news everywhere in a civilised society.

Could you point me in the right direction for your post about the two girls raped in Hampshire and the shamefully light sentences their attackers received? I can see this post, and that you were active on the Henry Nowak thread, but this seems a strange oversight in your quest for justice.

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 14:05

Maggispice · Yesterday 14:01

Thank you for this most beautiful intelligent question.
I came legally using the Highly Skilled Migrant Program. The program allocates points based on education, profession and experience.
I had a masters in my profession. My profession was on the approved list and I had professional experience. As a result I've never had to claim any benefit and I mostly use private healthcare not the NHS.

So it’s ok to assume other migrants come here solely for benefits, but not to be asked the same question?

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 14:06

Araminta1003 · Yesterday 13:59

Also, the social media ban that is looming for under 16s is making Elon angry. Just to set the context.

None of this detracts from the fact the authorities do need to run more checks on people from other countries. Maybe Elon and his cameras and satellites could help there instead.

It is not banning under 16s that is the issue, it the implication for everyone else. It means surveillance and blocking of things for potential political reasons.

Ginnyweasleyswand · Yesterday 14:07

Lalgarh · Yesterday 13:57

There was a more or less on this a few months back

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0m1srml?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

The stats can't differentiate between if the marked and glaring discrepancy between sex offences rates for Afghan males are because a section of them are prolific offenders or just a general increase in their propensity to this type of offence in general. But it's not insignificant.

And it's difficult to trust the statistics, after all the Casey report into grooming gangs found that ethnicity is not recorded for 2/3 of perpetrators.

And you have to ask why. Their ethnicity must be known. Why not record it?

And of course these are only for the known perpetrators. In terms of reported rapes 25-40% of perpetrators remain unknown.

An estimated 83% to 85% of sexual assault and rape victims do not report their experiences to the police. And I'd guess this is higher in communities where children are raped and grooming gangs are known to operate with the enablement of police.

I know people hate Rupert Lowe but I watched a father testify to his enquiry about how he kept on going to the police about his daughter going missing and being raped and they just ignored him. I'm pretty sure he's not making that up - why would he? It must cost so much to speak up.

So overall, this is a country where child abuse and rape largely is unpunished. And some men come here because of that. Time we faced the truth and decide what we as a society are going to do about it.

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