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Cailleach1 · Yesterday 13:38

Happyjoe · Yesterday 12:35

If someone came up to me and tried to radicalise me into cutting someone's head off they'd get a swift kick in the bollocks. But am of sound mind.

A lot LOT of these people are mentally ill, loners, easy pickings for people who want to radicalise others and unfortunately the internet is making it worse. There is an undeniable link.

I think as evidenced in many countries, such as Nazi Germany, China and East Germany where many were radicalised to perform as informers for the ‘good’ of the state, we see how easily it is to indoctrinate or radicalise people. It is not just mentally ill people.

Or Afghanistan. Or Isis.

Now, I think when brainwashed/radicalised, you can get these people to do things most actual mentally ill people would baulk at.

Somerford · Yesterday 13:39

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It would have been better if his attacker wasn't allowed to enter the country, then the attack would never have happened. Whether Northern Ireland was historically dangerous or not is irrelevant. This man was taken to hospital bleeding from his eyes and his throat as a result of an attempted beheading by a man who should not have been in the country.

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 13:39

It is not just mentally ill refugees that arrive from war torn countries with powerful ideologically driven paramilitaries who think nothing of massacring the local population. Ideologically driven paramilitaries are coming on those small boats across the channel too.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 13:39

Araminta1003 · Yesterday 13:34

“The gentleman who was nearly beheaded is merely another in a long list of Britons who are fair game/sacrifices to support the multiculturalism project and healing the world. We can’t discuss that when someone leaves their home country they may not immediately leave that culture behind which can often include extreme violence. That’s a debate we just can’t have nor can we risk assess allowing it to flourish on our streets.”

@MightyDandelionEsq - that is not true. It is the duty of our politicians and police to keep us all as safe as possible. And we can question safety and the nationality of perpetrators and their backgrounds. We can demand that that information is readily available at all times and that people from other countries are assessed. Here we know the criminal records of everyone and can check them. For those from abroad we do not. And we are entitled to ask the question. What we cannot do is be racist and assume that someone is going to be X Y and Z because of where they came from. But we can demand the authorities check and do reasonable evaluations.

There are no checks.

justasking111 · Yesterday 13:39

Ginnyweasleyswand · Yesterday 13:35

PALS is useless all I've ever got from them is 'we're sorry you're upset' non-apology. And by the time you complain, the damage is done.

My friend a retired vet volunteered with PALS he'd agree with you.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · Yesterday 13:39

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Where in the uk is kneecapping common?

AlternateLook · Yesterday 13:40

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Jesus Fucking Christ. You really are abhorrently repugnant.

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 13:40

Lalgarh · Yesterday 13:31

The other point made by Dr Sanjay Kumar, father of murdered Nottingham student Grace O'Malley Kumar, was that a rep from the royal college of Psychiatry said if psychiatrists were made to be accountable to their decisions re sectioning or not "no one would ever want to be a psychiatrist".

An argument that should have been put to her this morning if she could justify it. It cut little ice with him as a GP who has to be held accountable for his decisions.

They've just had the local north Belfast MP, from Sinn Fein, urging everyone to not protest and be all hearts and to co-operate with the police 🚓

👀

PP’s would have both Sanjoy Kumar and Siobhan O’Malley removed from their NHS roles given they are foreign nationals.

Maggispice · Yesterday 13:41

MLMsuperfan · Yesterday 13:11

Where do you think the NHS would be without immigration?

It would be the NHS. Providing healthcare free at the point of use with much less demand and better service.

Ps don't attempt to muddle the debate by conflating 0 immigration with responsible limited targeted immigration.

It's one thing to recruit nurses from countries where it's not a degree qualification when you've made it a degree qualification in the UK Vs permitting illegal migration which leads to unvetted criminal minded zero skilled able bodied young men wrecking havoc on the streets at tax payers expense.

Most qualified white students are not being admitted to study medicine in the UK. They have to go to Australia or Georgia.
There're many unemployed Brits who can be trained to gain experience and move up in the NHS but the political will is lacking.
I emigrated legally from W Africa over 20yrs ago, but I will speak the truth without bias.

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 13:41

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · Yesterday 13:39

Where in the uk is kneecapping common?

Nowhere, but is as strongly associated with Belfast paramilitaries as beheading is with Sudanese paramilitaries.

MightyDandelionEsq · Yesterday 13:41

Araminta1003 · Yesterday 13:34

“The gentleman who was nearly beheaded is merely another in a long list of Britons who are fair game/sacrifices to support the multiculturalism project and healing the world. We can’t discuss that when someone leaves their home country they may not immediately leave that culture behind which can often include extreme violence. That’s a debate we just can’t have nor can we risk assess allowing it to flourish on our streets.”

@MightyDandelionEsq - that is not true. It is the duty of our politicians and police to keep us all as safe as possible. And we can question safety and the nationality of perpetrators and their backgrounds. We can demand that that information is readily available at all times and that people from other countries are assessed. Here we know the criminal records of everyone and can check them. For those from abroad we do not. And we are entitled to ask the question. What we cannot do is be racist and assume that someone is going to be X Y and Z because of where they came from. But we can demand the authorities check and do reasonable evaluations.

“What we cannot do is be racist and assume that someone is going to be X Y and Z because of where they came from”

This has made my point. I can’t question Afghani men who are over represented in the rape statistics per capita because I’d be deemed racist even though data backs it up. I can’t question the way the Pakistani grooming gangs operate in a certain manner vs their British counterparts because it’s racist as it’s a certain culture from a certain area of Pakistan. I can’t question the violence of certain men because they will be predominantly one skin colour even if that culture or country is over represented in data.

So this has absolutely made my point, I cannot question where someone comes from if that place has a predominant skin colour. Maybe it’s not racism to notice patterns of behaviour. Maybe it’s cultural observation?

Because funnily enough white Albanian men are over represented in serious drug crime vs white British men.

This observational technique works in reverse. We’ve seen in the maternity scandal reviews that black women are more likely to suffer during childbirth so we’re working to address that. We’ve seen that prostate screening is going to be offered to more black men vs white men due to current diagnosis rates. So it’s funny how ‘racism’ only works when someone doesn’t like the data isn’t it?

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · Yesterday 13:41

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 13:36

All that data is accessible. I think what you mean is ‘I prefer to imagine everything would be better without immigration’. Which is fine, but at least be honest instead of pretending it’s too complex.

It’s not accessible.
I’m not against immigration.

You’re throwing around baseless comments.

BackToLurk · Yesterday 13:41

EasternStandard · Yesterday 13:38

What a response.

What? Generalising about groups of people based on their ‘culture’ or nationality? I know shocking. Maybe Sudanese hip hop band ‘Behead’ will sing about it.

Araminta1003 · Yesterday 13:42

@EasternStandard - yes there aren’t enough checks and that is where people have a point. We have no history on any of these people coming here. Whereas we have full data and history on people born here (medical, educational, criminal data or lack thereof).

EasternStandard · Yesterday 13:42

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 13:41

Nowhere, but is as strongly associated with Belfast paramilitaries as beheading is with Sudanese paramilitaries.

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So you do recognise the increase in likelihood.

Why would you want to enable entry from there

MightyDandelionEsq · Yesterday 13:43

BackToLurk · Yesterday 13:41

What? Generalising about groups of people based on their ‘culture’ or nationality? I know shocking. Maybe Sudanese hip hop band ‘Behead’ will sing about it.

almost like - white people deserve all mistreatment because of colonisation hundreds of years ago?

Vs

There is a current observable issue in the country these people arrive from because of x issue and we should be aware and careful to adopt large swathes of that behaviour into our country to avoid ghettoisation and to improve integration?

MajorProcrastination · Yesterday 13:43

MightyDandelionEsq · Yesterday 13:16

The BBC gets community noted daily on Twitter for false information.

Most news channels do too because they won’t provide factually correct information. Especially prevalent in trans crimes when they falsely call a trans identified male a woman.

No respectable news organisation should be anywhere near twitter. It's a bin fire.

BackToLurk · Yesterday 13:43

AlternateLook · Yesterday 13:40

Jesus Fucking Christ. You really are abhorrently repugnant.

Don’t you have entirely fictitious conspiracy theory about Kier Starmer to dust off?

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 13:45

RedTagAlan · Yesterday 13:37

An emigrant is also an immigrant.

Emigration is where you leave a country. At least use the correct terminology to describe British people leaving to go to another country.

Maggispice · Yesterday 13:45

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 13:39

It is not just mentally ill refugees that arrive from war torn countries with powerful ideologically driven paramilitaries who think nothing of massacring the local population. Ideologically driven paramilitaries are coming on those small boats across the channel too.

These aren't real refugees. There're so many African and Middle Eastern countries he would have passed or could have gone to. Countries with similar religion, language, cuisine, values, climate etc. The only reason they come to the UK is because of benefits. Cut it and the attraction dies.

Catpuss66 · Yesterday 13:45

QforCucumber · Yesterday 09:58

@MusicMakesItAllBetter it was a woman filming, I wouldn't have stepped in either but honestly - if the BBC and Sky News report a stabbing then they report a stabbing, no-one seems to care much about that anymore, however - if someone then said no I saw, it was someone being beheaded in the street would you have believed it - without the video evidence? or would you be saying 'no, the BBC said it was 'just' a stabbing, i don't believe you, you're pushing a narrative there you're exaggerating?'

I disagree with many of Musks thoughts and policies, but actually, him buying twitter and removing the censorship (previous owner allowed the pushing of trans ideology to children don't forget, and censoring anyone who was against it) is actually something I am on board with, it has taken away the news outlets bias (which does exist, no matter how many claim it doesn't) and encouraged discussion. What people do need to work on is their ability to think critically about the individual accounts which share some of the posts, rather than trying to loudly shout 'i hate Musk so I hate everything he does'

Musk thinks he is the hero of the story he listed all the hero’s in movies the hunger games, Star Wars until someone pointed out he was the person agreeing to build the Death Star ….so not the hero.

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 13:46

EasternStandard · Yesterday 13:30

@Allisnotlost1

So you think evidence of paramilitary activity is the same as ‘these things are common in other countries’. There’s fairly solid evidence of the IDF targeting children, should we ban Israelis from entering the UK? Are all Russians responsible for Putin?

From what’s reported so far the attacker was here on a visa, which would suggest he’s provided ID and criminal records info. Let’s see what comes out.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 13:46

BackToLurk · Yesterday 13:41

What? Generalising about groups of people based on their ‘culture’ or nationality? I know shocking. Maybe Sudanese hip hop band ‘Behead’ will sing about it.

Going well with this. On to flippant mockery already. It’s only been a morning.

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 13:46

almost like - white people deserve all mistreatment because of colonisation hundreds of years ago?

Yet they seem to completely ignore the hundreds of years of violent islamic colonisation. Or even acknowledge the fact that the ruling powers in Iran are colonial Arabs (vs Iranians who are Persian).

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 13:47

Maggispice · Yesterday 13:45

These aren't real refugees. There're so many African and Middle Eastern countries he would have passed or could have gone to. Countries with similar religion, language, cuisine, values, climate etc. The only reason they come to the UK is because of benefits. Cut it and the attraction dies.

Did you come to the UK because of benefits?

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