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Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 11:59

QforCucumber · Yesterday 11:54

@Persephonia1966 in response to your questions -

And how does the BBC reporting the nationality of an attacker at 10 am rather than 10.32 am make you less safe? it doesn't, but knowing these things are happening on a more and more regular basis and carried out by those who come from a country where actions such as this are normal DOES make you feel less safe.

I ask - how does the media NOT reporting accurately make you feel MORE safe? is it because ignorance is bliss? is it because it is being proven time and time again that a lack of integration is the issue, not the actual immigration itself but our government's allowance for those who do enter the country to continue to live by their home countries rule rather than British law, until something goes 'majorly' wrong?

This isn't about whether the case should be reported or not. But you have no idea of the details, or why the attacker did what he did (it could be straight up mental illness, it could be mental illness plus radicalisation, it could be just radicalisation). It could also be none of those things, the media are reporting the Perpetrator as Somalian, it is well known that for example the punishment for theft in certain areas of Somalia is often the removal of a limb, for all we know the victim here stole something from the perpetrator and it is his norm to then carry out these actions, having not been properly integrated into another countries way of life. It is easily found online that the removal of a persons eyes and a public beheading in Somalia is often used as punishment for those accused of spying, and if the man knows no different, then what's the excuse? there's no 'catching it earlier' as it is a way of life and how he has been raised, more work needs to be done on actual integration!

Right but if the BBC fact checks all the details first you still end up knowing all the things. I don't think the slight time delay is part of a plan to cover it up. Accurate reporting is important. That's why it's fine to wait an extra 32 minutes. Also crime has been going down overall in the UK including violent crime. That doesn't make it any less awful that a man was attacked so horrifically and doesn't mean there weren't huge failures that need correcting that led to this. But chaos and leaping to conclusions before the facts are known doesn't lead to real change.

EstoyRobandoSuCasa · Yesterday 11:59

innalittlepickle · Yesterday 11:53

Where is it for HN?

“Taking the knee” is a gesture against the systemic oppression of Black people and other ethnic minorities. No one could deny that this is still an issue in the US.

LizzieSiddal · Yesterday 12:01

Maggispice · Yesterday 11:45

Starmer the lawyer and former head of prosecutions didn't wait with George Floyd the criminal pregnant woman basher. Neither did Lammy the lawyer. Double standards and two-tier justice.

Your argument is negated by your use of ridiculous soundbites. No one takes anyone serious who uses such phrases which have been proven to be untrue.

innalittlepickle · Yesterday 12:02

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 11:54

They literally quote her speech including her comments on the asylum system in the article you linked. Did you read it to the end?

No I'm not sure what you're reading but there's no speech from her here, from the recent March. There are comments from her outside court.

GoldThumb · Yesterday 12:02

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · Yesterday 11:54

“Less aggressive”

Its not the people who are enraged about attempted beheadings that need to be “less aggressive”

Exactly!

How people look at crimes like this, and it’s the people who are angry about it that’s the problem?!?

Priorities all over the place

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 12:02

Happyjoe · Yesterday 11:49

It's Nowak. Henry Nowak.

Yes, Henry Nowak who was violently murdered and the footage of that murder was actually withheld from the jury at the trial itself (and the public). Henry Nowak who the police tried to frame as an aggressor two days after his murder, despite having a recording at the time of the murderer in the police van saying he stabbed him and making no comment at all about aggression.

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 12:03

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 11:56

People were furious that the attacker was described as a ‘Welsh Choir boy’ when they saw he was clearly not, and the government downplaying the terrorist link that they were already aware of but instead calling a very upset and concerned community ‘far right’ for being upset and angry at the government deceit.

The papers described him like this because it draws a strong contrast between the image of a choir boy and the violence of the crime/what his arrest photo looked like. The Mail etc was not trying to cover it up. It's selling newspapers and "former choir boy does horrific thing" sounds more shocking and sells more newspapers. Also it was technically true. He was a choirboy as a child. But that was likely irrelevant to his crimes.

innalittlepickle · Yesterday 12:03

EstoyRobandoSuCasa · Yesterday 11:59

“Taking the knee” is a gesture against the systemic oppression of Black people and other ethnic minorities. No one could deny that this is still an issue in the US.

Where is their gesture to support Nowak?

Happyjoe · Yesterday 12:04

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 12:02

Yes, Henry Nowak who was violently murdered and the footage of that murder was actually withheld from the jury at the trial itself (and the public). Henry Nowak who the police tried to frame as an aggressor two days after his murder, despite having a recording at the time of the murderer in the police van saying he stabbed him and making no comment at all about aggression.

And you didn't even have enough respect to find out his name.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 12:05

Happyjoe · Yesterday 12:04

And you didn't even have enough respect to find out his name.

It’s hardly the most important thing in her post.

innalittlepickle · Yesterday 12:05

GoldThumb · Yesterday 12:02

Exactly!

How people look at crimes like this, and it’s the people who are angry about it that’s the problem?!?

Priorities all over the place

Beheaded? Be kind! Stabbed? Be kind!

We've had enough.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · Yesterday 12:05

Happyjoe · Yesterday 12:04

And you didn't even have enough respect to find out his name.

My phone autocorrects his name to Novak. I assume hers is the same.

RingoJuice · Yesterday 12:05

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Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · Yesterday 12:06

EasternStandard · Yesterday 12:05

It’s hardly the most important thing in her post.

No.
But it’s the easiest to counter and feel superior about… which is the whole point for them.

GoldThumb · Yesterday 12:06

Happyjoe · Yesterday 12:04

And you didn't even have enough respect to find out his name.

Why engage with point of a post, when you can deflect from it instead!

Fucking hell…

EstoyRobandoSuCasa · Yesterday 12:06

innalittlepickle · Yesterday 12:03

Where is their gesture to support Nowak?

Starmer has met Henry Nowak’s family.

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 12:07

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 11:51

And also it was not necessary to convict him. They had enough evidence without it and the killers was indeed convicted. If the killer had pleaded not guilty and they didn't have other evidence they definitely show very distressing videos to the juries. I really don't see what is to be gained by you or I seeing it, and I can't imagine his family would want it shared around for entertainment either.

My comment was in response to the pp saying footage is everywhere. Footage from the police body cam is, footage of the him being stabbed was withheld.

KaleidoscopeSmile · Yesterday 12:07

This thread appears to be infested with frothing vigilante types.

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 12:08

innalittlepickle · Yesterday 12:02

No I'm not sure what you're reading but there's no speech from her here, from the recent March. There are comments from her outside court.

Where she criticised the asylum system:
"Referencing Majek's immigration status, she urged the government to take tougher action.

"It's always the undocumented illegal immigrants that are doing this, and it's not fair, they're taking over our country," she said."

You are right the article you linked didn't reference the more recent speech at the march because that hadn't happened at the time the article was written. However, a later article did https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3d2ryyz0jzo.
You can't accuse the BBC of a cover up for not reporting on something which had not yet happened.

innalittlepickle · Yesterday 12:08

EstoyRobandoSuCasa · Yesterday 12:06

Starmer has met Henry Nowak’s family.

And used them yes. Despicable.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 12:08

KaleidoscopeSmile · Yesterday 12:07

This thread appears to be infested with frothing vigilante types.

Nothing on the horrific crime then.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · Yesterday 12:08

KaleidoscopeSmile · Yesterday 12:07

This thread appears to be infested with frothing vigilante types.

Why aren’t you angry that a man was stabbed in the eyes and then beheaded on the street in Belfast?

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 12:08

EstoyRobandoSuCasa · Yesterday 12:06

Starmer has met Henry Nowak’s family.

At Downing Street with the press camped outside after a public outcry and after meeting the leader of the opposition.

TheKittenswithMittens · Yesterday 12:09

This latest one will be tried, convicted and sentenced. Then no doubt he will try to throw boiling water in a prison officer's face? Once inside, he needs to be kept in a straight jacket.

innalittlepickle · Yesterday 12:10

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 12:08

Where she criticised the asylum system:
"Referencing Majek's immigration status, she urged the government to take tougher action.

"It's always the undocumented illegal immigrants that are doing this, and it's not fair, they're taking over our country," she said."

You are right the article you linked didn't reference the more recent speech at the march because that hadn't happened at the time the article was written. However, a later article did https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3d2ryyz0jzo.
You can't accuse the BBC of a cover up for not reporting on something which had not yet happened.

OMG please get a grip. I was using the article to remind people what happened, it's the first one that came up on a search. Not to critique the BBC.

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