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innalittlepickle · Yesterday 11:48

Maggispice · Yesterday 11:45

Starmer the lawyer and former head of prosecutions didn't wait with George Floyd the criminal pregnant woman basher. Neither did Lammy the lawyer. Double standards and two-tier justice.

Oh yes, they were on their knees within days.

RingoJuice · Yesterday 11:48

Happyjoe · Yesterday 11:45

Exactly. And this day and age of misinformation, it's a must to check everything.

Southport for example. People said online that the killer was an immigrant before facts came out. They hijacked the families grief on an anti-immigration riot when the man was born in Wales. Even the family asked for calm, which the thugs wouldn't listen to. I do wonder if the riots would've been as big as they were had it not be whipped up into an anti immigrant tirade.

His parents should never have been accepted as immigrants. They knew what he was up to and were presumably fine with it. It was 100% an immigration issue and three children are dead because you (as a country) cannot set sensible limits

Happyjoe · Yesterday 11:49

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 11:42

The footage of Henry Novak being stabbed has not been shown at all - despite being evidence it was also withheld from the jury as deemed too distressing

It's Nowak. Henry Nowak.

Maggispice · Yesterday 11:50

Ginnyweasleyswand · Yesterday 11:33

What like the young rapists who went to trial, whose victims did the right thing the way you say you want, went through the secondary trauma of a court case, and where those rapists, though found guilty were let off by a judge because they're young and shouldn't have their lives destroyed whilst their victims lives are in fact destroyed?

The only way those girls will get justice is via publicity. If they'd had no publicity I doubt a review would have happened. Ditto grooming gangs

Democracy and the rule of law are definitely under threat, but it's not from normal people who are rightly outraged at the way the system is failing and the way criminals' 'human rights' seem to be more important than people who don't break the law.

And if people don't trust 'due process' any more and aren't that convinced it's the right thing to not speak about all the many miscarriages of justice and prioritising of violent criminals' human rights over those of their victims who can blame them really?

The murderer of Rhiannon Whyte delayed his trial by claiming to be a minor. Clearly briefed on what would work. It's a farce.

Thank you for taking the time to type out what every right thinking human is thinking at this time.
Labour and the Left need to be decimated at every election going forward.

innalittlepickle · Yesterday 11:50

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 11:46

It's awful.
The news story you linked to though was the BBC. So they are reporting it?

Obviouslyy it was reported. Her mother made a speech at the recentish march in London, where she said we have enough of our own we don't need to import criminals. I only saw that speech on X / another website.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 11:50

innalittlepickle · Yesterday 11:45

As Rhiannon Whyte's mother said. Not that her speech was widely reported.

'Rhiannon Whyte had just finished her shift at the Park Inn Hotel at 23:00 BST on 20 October 2024 and was on the phone to a friend as she walked to the railway station.

She was on the platform when Majek launched his attack, stabbing her 19 times in the head, with 11 injuries to her skull, and one wound so deep it pierced her brain stem.

She died in hospital three days later. No motive has been established for why Majek attacked her.

Majek had arrived in the UK on a small boat about three months before the attack and made a legal claim for asylum. He was living at the hotel, which was being used to temporarily house asylum seekers at the time.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yvwdgjpj3o

Edited

Yes the same empty words and nothing after this.

And not many words even from Labour.

Monty36 · Yesterday 11:50

BeamFloorDoor · Yesterday 11:30

The Krays (not the Richardsons etc) did not select random passers by in the street to attack. They inflicted violence as part of gangland disputes and tried to be discreet enough to avoid detection by the authorities. Violence was basically strategic and could largely be avoided by avoiding involvement with them.

You could argue the toss about whether that is better or worse but it is of an entirely different character to people who select strangers in the street and openly and loudly try to hack them to death, unprovoked.

Except they did. They took money from ordinary shopkeepers, pubs, you name it ‘for protection’ and terrorised them and plenty more when it wasn’t forthcoming. They most certainly did subject ordinary people to violence.

There are plenty of others.. The IRA bombed ordinary people.
Please don’t persuade yourself that his violence did not happen.

Happyjoe · Yesterday 11:51

Maggispice · Yesterday 11:50

Thank you for taking the time to type out what every right thinking human is thinking at this time.
Labour and the Left need to be decimated at every election going forward.

Why is this a Labour issue?

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 11:51

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 11:42

The footage of Henry Novak being stabbed has not been shown at all - despite being evidence it was also withheld from the jury as deemed too distressing

And also it was not necessary to convict him. They had enough evidence without it and the killers was indeed convicted. If the killer had pleaded not guilty and they didn't have other evidence they definitely show very distressing videos to the juries. I really don't see what is to be gained by you or I seeing it, and I can't imagine his family would want it shared around for entertainment either.

EstoyRobandoSuCasa · Yesterday 11:52

innalittlepickle · Yesterday 11:48

Oh yes, they were on their knees within days.

That’s a gesture of support, not a hasty change of policy.

innalittlepickle · Yesterday 11:52

EasternStandard · Yesterday 11:50

Yes the same empty words and nothing after this.

And not many words even from Labour.

Edited

Starmer was 'appalled'.

ATrollHunter · Yesterday 11:52

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 09:47

It's not the 'gory details' that the BBC omit. Their news output is tailored to fit their agenda. They moved on very quickly from Henry Nowak, hoping that everyone will forget about him as quickly as they have.

They moved on because there is nothing more to say. I'm sorry that doesn't fit your political agenda, but if there is no new news, what could they possibly present? What do you want them to say?

innalittlepickle · Yesterday 11:53

EstoyRobandoSuCasa · Yesterday 11:52

That’s a gesture of support, not a hasty change of policy.

Where is it for HN?

Maggispice · Yesterday 11:53

EasternStandard · Yesterday 11:50

Yes the same empty words and nothing after this.

And not many words even from Labour.

Edited

Starmer was Chief Prosecuting Officer. He's been at this for decades. It's how he got into power.

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 11:54

innalittlepickle · Yesterday 11:50

Obviouslyy it was reported. Her mother made a speech at the recentish march in London, where she said we have enough of our own we don't need to import criminals. I only saw that speech on X / another website.

Edited

They literally quote her speech including her comments on the asylum system in the article you linked. Did you read it to the end?

MsJinks · Yesterday 11:54

cardibach · Yesterday 11:17

Well we need to sort out the system then, because climate change and increasing instability are going to create many more asylum seekers. An international approach is needed in my view. Campaign for that.

Absolutely agree - humans have always migrated and always will - nothing is making it less likely right now, only more so.

I would like a global and humane response as my pipe dream but better international cooperation is desperately needed now.

Puzzledandpissedoff · Yesterday 11:54

In this day and age of misinformation, it's a must to check everything

I agree completely, @Happyjoe, so as detailed above it's a shame the BBC don't

An honest mistake is one thing and deliberate falsification of the facts quite another, and while one of them caused the Director General's resignation I very much doubt it'll have done anything to change the overall culture

QforCucumber · Yesterday 11:54

@Persephonia1966 in response to your questions -

And how does the BBC reporting the nationality of an attacker at 10 am rather than 10.32 am make you less safe? it doesn't, but knowing these things are happening on a more and more regular basis and carried out by those who come from a country where actions such as this are normal DOES make you feel less safe.

I ask - how does the media NOT reporting accurately make you feel MORE safe? is it because ignorance is bliss? is it because it is being proven time and time again that a lack of integration is the issue, not the actual immigration itself but our government's allowance for those who do enter the country to continue to live by their home countries rule rather than British law, until something goes 'majorly' wrong?

This isn't about whether the case should be reported or not. But you have no idea of the details, or why the attacker did what he did (it could be straight up mental illness, it could be mental illness plus radicalisation, it could be just radicalisation). It could also be none of those things, the media are reporting the Perpetrator as Somalian, it is well known that for example the punishment for theft in certain areas of Somalia is often the removal of a limb, for all we know the victim here stole something from the perpetrator and it is his norm to then carry out these actions, having not been properly integrated into another countries way of life. It is easily found online that the removal of a persons eyes and a public beheading in Somalia is often used as punishment for those accused of spying, and if the man knows no different, then what's the excuse? there's no 'catching it earlier' as it is a way of life and how he has been raised, more work needs to be done on actual integration!

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · Yesterday 11:54

Monty36 · Yesterday 09:28

If it wasn’t for Elon Musk people would be a lot less aggressive.

“Less aggressive”

Its not the people who are enraged about attempted beheadings that need to be “less aggressive”

EasternStandard · Yesterday 11:55

MsJinks · Yesterday 11:54

Absolutely agree - humans have always migrated and always will - nothing is making it less likely right now, only more so.

I would like a global and humane response as my pipe dream but better international cooperation is desperately needed now.

It’s not going to happen. Not when crimes like this occur on the street.

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 11:56

Happyjoe · Yesterday 11:45

Exactly. And this day and age of misinformation, it's a must to check everything.

Southport for example. People said online that the killer was an immigrant before facts came out. They hijacked the families grief on an anti-immigration riot when the man was born in Wales. Even the family asked for calm, which the thugs wouldn't listen to. I do wonder if the riots would've been as big as they were had it not be whipped up into an anti immigrant tirade.

People were furious that the attacker was described as a ‘Welsh Choir boy’ when they saw he was clearly not, and the government downplaying the terrorist link that they were already aware of but instead calling a very upset and concerned community ‘far right’ for being upset and angry at the government deceit.

Blades2 · Yesterday 11:56

MelanzaneParmigiana · Yesterday 08:56

There will be demonstrations, and the mainstream media will of course characterize them as ‘far right’, rather than desperately angry and worried ordinary citizens.

Yes but there will be the nutters out too. And you know it.

MsJinks · Yesterday 11:57

Monty36 · Yesterday 11:50

Except they did. They took money from ordinary shopkeepers, pubs, you name it ‘for protection’ and terrorised them and plenty more when it wasn’t forthcoming. They most certainly did subject ordinary people to violence.

There are plenty of others.. The IRA bombed ordinary people.
Please don’t persuade yourself that his violence did not happen.

Yes indeed - we are back to those Brexit Utopia images of milkmen delivering pints to happy smiling people, and happy, smiling kids dancing down the empty roads. I say people and kids, obviously they were all white and often blonde.

Sigh - like we believe in bloody Enid Blyton’s world still.

RingoJuice · Yesterday 11:58

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 11:51

And also it was not necessary to convict him. They had enough evidence without it and the killers was indeed convicted. If the killer had pleaded not guilty and they didn't have other evidence they definitely show very distressing videos to the juries. I really don't see what is to be gained by you or I seeing it, and I can't imagine his family would want it shared around for entertainment either.

It is supposed to pressure the police force to fucking change

Happyjoe · Yesterday 11:58

RingoJuice · Yesterday 11:48

His parents should never have been accepted as immigrants. They knew what he was up to and were presumably fine with it. It was 100% an immigration issue and three children are dead because you (as a country) cannot set sensible limits

This isn't an immigration issue. It's not a religious issue, nor an integration issue.
His parents were integrated, Christian people, but that didn't stop the thugs attacking mosques. He wasn't even born abroad. He is the product of the UK.

So the only thing left is that you have an issue with his skin colour.

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